if we're going to do anything to canada, it should be annexation

Seriously, Canada needs something done to it...

Specifically, I was referring to the agreement signed between North Korea and the United States (under Clinton) in 1994, where North Korea agreed to freeze and eventually dismantle its Nuclear Weapons program in exchange for international aid (United States led) towards constructing two power-producing nuclear reactors. American Taxpayers have paid a total of 800 million dollars to date towards aid that was re-directed by North Korea. Instead of freezing their nuclear weapons program, they in fact enhanced it, and all because they broke an agreement with the United States that Clinton didn't have the backbone to do anything about.

As for the causes of actual military action against a nation, I believe that North Korea's adamant continuation of nuclear missile testing is certainly an act of aggression. Furthermore, their blatant missile launch (1998) over Japan into the Pacific Ocean, showing that they can strike any part of Japan's Territory, is certainly an act of aggression, and to a United States ally no less. Seriously now, acts of aggression have been committed multiple times. Although we shouldn't just send in 150,000 men to invade North Korea, waiting until a weapon is launched with malicious intent at the United States or one of their allies is sort of stupid.



I've got to question you on this. Because nobody, and I mean nobody, could sanely attempt to compare the negative effects of World War II and the Iraq War. Seriously now, that's just ludicrous. Plus, the WMD's were a justification, if they had actually existed. I still (and call me ignorant if you want), am adamant in the belief that it was simply incorrect intelligence that led to this war. To believe otherwise is to blatantly state that three of the world's superpowers corroborated and falsified intelligence for the war in Iraq. I'm sorry, but that just didn't happen.



It's also very easy to appease real threats. That's exactly what Neville Chamberlain did...

Agreed, preventative wars are to be avoided, but so should waiting for inevitable casualties to arise. We have to find a better balance of things. In an era of Nuclear Weapons, that can singlehandedly wipe out millions of people, reactionary foreign policy is no longer a sure bet. In an earlier period of time, where more obvious warning signs were apparent, and where no military force could singlehandedly destroy a city in a moment's time, then reactionary foreign policy was a success. Again, I'm not supporting all out war against a nation for "preventative measures", but I don't see why a very small preventative strike force wouldn't be beneficial.

Our founding fathers wanted isolationism. In today's post World War II world, we are de-isolated. With all of the modern technology around us, communicating with others across the world is easier and easier. We cannot simply crawl into a hole and disappear, refusing to enter in any foreign-policy measures.

are you really SERIOUS???

do you know that everybody outside USA hates your country???

sorry, no offense, your government's fault, that's right you've the powerfull army on world, but nothing gives you the right
to behave like world's police.

the social and familiar values in USA are a pity.

the american society is stinky and corrupted.

i know, most americans do not want war against pseudo-terrorist countries (to steal their oil).

common sense says that. you have the power to choose a good and smart goverment, please next time do it in elections.

sorry my english... i'm an american too, but not from USA.

Oddly enough, even with the corruption in the US government, it's still nowhere near as corrupt as most places.

Hate is a strong emotion. Why waste it on something people can't change.

You are a complete ****ing moron. How do you think we got a North/South Korea in the first place? Check your Godamn history books.

And thats why we need Ron Paul in office. You just said everything he has.




Maaaaan. You don't know the 1/2 of it.
http://www.stopthenorthamericanunion.com/

If you ask me there is way too much flag waving going on, a flag doesn't mean anything, it is colors on fabric. Listen...we are all people, all of us, we should cooperate as people, that is all I have to say.

Its just a piece of paper.

Actually it is just a piece of paper, but the ideas and feelings behind that piece of paper are very important...all I am trying to say is that waving a flag around is useless unless you know WHY you are doing it? Is what I am saying so unreasonable? If people today don't even really know what the constitution is, are you really that surprised that our rights are being taken away? People don't even know that they have them!

I've said it before and I'll say it again:

Lack of education seems to be the root of most of our problems...

You made my point for me.

And that would be...um...what again?

Your group of high school friends does not constitute the opinion of "everyone". If you think that everyone outside the US hates the US, you need to travel more. You are correct, we do not have the right to act as the worlds police. But I tell you what, if someone came into my house and beat up my kid and stole my stuff, I would have no problem going to their house to return the favor. Your broad generalizations of social and family values are greatly lacking in any real evidence. Back it up with something. Anything. Don't just say our values suck without being specific. The American people do not have the power to choose a good and smart government. We have the ability to select from a very limited pool of resources. The choice of which piece of {censored} smells less bad is hardly a perfect scenario. However, given what some countries have to put up with, I think we have it pretty damn good.

As for North Korea, we should not bomb them... Yet. They are an isolationist society, with little to no relations with any other coutries. Thier imports and exports are closely monitored, and it is very unlikely that a nuclear weapon has a snowballs chance in hell of making out of that country. There are far more threatening possibilities of a nuclear weapon getting out other countries for us to worry about North Korea right now.

The entire idea of a preventative war is just ridiculous. The very name is an oxymoron. Preventative war is still war. The idea that we went to war for oil still confuses me. If that was the case, why am I paying over $3 a gallon? I should have my pool filled with crude oil if that is the idea. Oil prices are still high, and gasoline production is still low. There were (and are) far better reasons for attacking Iraq. Even if oil was part of the agenda, it was low on the list.

And as for Canada, why shouldn't we bomb them? The just sit up there, in thier smug sense of self righteousness and worth, mispronunciating thier words and pretending that letters are actually words rather then sounds. They need a good bombing to put them in thier place.

I don't know why so many Americans on this board have such a hostility toward Canada, it seems to be a popular thing to do these days. They haven't done anything significant to warrant our attitude toward them, so really why do people say things like "Canada needs a good bombing, etc."?

Relax man. I am just kidding around. I am just bitter because the Sabres lost to Ottawa on Saturday. I don't really think we should bomb them... Unless they disagree with the annexation

lol, agreed

Hehe yeah I know you are kidding, but I dont know, A lot of people I've met don't really like Canada and I have always tried to figure out why.

Well, Canadians are not Americans for one... They aren't European... Or Asian... African... Middle Eastern... Australian... Mexican or Southern American... Or any of those cool island peoples... or Eskimos.... or underwater inhabitants... They're nothing. They're Canadians.

That is too funny!

Well... Canadians have beady little eyes and flapping heads so full of lies... so I'm led to understand.

Canada is to the USA what Oregon is to California; less cool.

I dunno, I think Canada is pretty cool, I've had nothing but good experiences going there.

I think you all forgetting the North American Union, it won't be Canada for long if the NWO has their way.

Whenever canada comes up in conversation, someone is always dissing on them. Ive been there twice (although I only remember the last time) and it was a really nice trip. I think alot of this has to do with freedom fries, becuase from my understanding, many canadians are of french descent.

I've never actually met anyone who doesn't like Canada, but what I've noticed about Canadians is that many of them are unreasonably arrogant and ignorant. Which I suppose holds true for every nation. I remember one conversation with a canadian that included the following gem: "The United States is safe only because the Canadian army protects it. If we wanted to, we could conquer your country in a month". LOL.

That was a stupid Canadian. :-)

Anyways, many Americans still hold dear their precious "Manifest Destiny" Wikipedia Entry. :-/ Strange.

At least we don't have to pay taxes on blank CDs.

I really can't see why the USA and Canada don't get on...

There are loads of reasons for Canada to hate the US, but the other way round....


To put it simply, every American I know is either stupid, racist, evangelist, sexist, horny all the time or just plain rude and arrogant (and yes, I know quite a few Amercians from various places across the country)

As for Canadians... Well, they seem better educated for a start!
Canada seems like a much more free, liberal and tolerant country.

Sorry if I have offended anyone, but I have only put forward what I have witnessed.



As for Britain, we are far superior.
We have Tesco, Little Chefs, rain, understatement, Nectar Points, CCTV, whiskey, Haggis, Oatcakes, eccentricity, Argos, no bins, the Pound, a lack of GM crops, not enough nuclear power plants, too much water, not enough water, lots of cloud, the Irish, Chelsea Tractors, pot holes, traffic lights, roundabouts, the Welsh, Gaelic and Jonothan Ive.

England also has (to add to your almost completely mis-understandable list) bad breath and bad teeth, many, many ugly people, fairly crappy food overall, completely arrogant people, a sickeningly bloody history full of ignorance and murder, a loosing streak in WWII and Tony Blair. Oh yeah, Margret Thatcher.... eeewwwwwww... and as for the superiority, lol, your country has lost almost everything since you've had it all. You even lost America because you were so bloody ignorant.

Seriously though, I love Britain. If you have lived in Britain for 15 years, you either love it or hate it (or both).

What I did hate (next time I'll tell you what I loved):

The arrogance of the Southerners.
The weather in the North.
Tony Blair (in the last few years of his government).
Rip-off Britain.
Hidden Agendas, I really hate this one.

exactly - Norst Korea has broken treaties - also it is still techincally in a state of war with south korea



somebody obviously doesn't get around... America may not be popular in Europe, in Asia we're fairly liked however (mainly because we're the major market for chinese and japanese exports) and actually i've met Americans in Europe for jobs, etc who go to Iran for vacation. Iran. Why? Because amoung the youth generation in Iran, America is extremely popular. Also, you may find this hard to believe but many people in Iraq suport the American involvement. And also that war isn't for oil you retarted nitwit. If you looked at a map you would see something. The two contries the US invaded in recent years, Iraq and Afganistan, have one country in between them, Iran. America has planed a revolt in Iran for many years, by having these two fottholds in the area they can ensure success.





And all the Canadians i've met are self-centered {censored}s. and that really says something because 1/4 of my family is Canadian and i know many many many Canadians. and general political offiliation doesnt make a country good.

and as for Brittain, most infirior of all. You are the state America never had and you know it. And stop thinking you own the Irish. If any country has been impirialistic in its history it is Brittain. the cause of the famine in Ireland. All i have to say is FREE NORTH IRELAND!


P.S. - i am personally unworried about a missile strike from North Korea. The US has a many layered defense on the matter, with Agis, THAAD and patriot systems the USA as well as Japan, and i am unsure of what other coutries we have the systems stationed in, are safe.

Even though these two nations are safe from North Korean missile attacks, they may not be safe from each other. Think WWII.

Japan doesnt have a military - and if your thinking Germany WWII style where they went against the treaty and got a military... well it wont go there A) because its actually in there constitution, B ) the world is more globalized and it would be noticed, and C) they wouldnt go for America because of major trade relations, they have tryed to opt for a pre-emptive strike in North Korea though- which i think they have the right to do because of obvious agression against them. Nobody can doubt this. Not only have missles been fired at them but people have been kidnaped by the North Korean government.

Exactly, and not only that, the United States was incredibly smart when negotiating Japan's surrender. In obeying the age old Machiavellian view, the United States had two real options when dealing with Japan. They could've utilized absolutely crippling surrender terms, effectively destroying what was then known as Japan, or they could've been incredibly nice with the treaty terms (which they did), and established a trusted trading partner and political ally. At that point in time, everybody realized the mistake after dealing with Germany (and not crippling them or placating them), and just went with one extreme (the only smart thing to do).

Oh, and North Korea has been way aggressive with Japan. As time goes on, that aggressiveness has increased almost to a point where they're testing the waters to see when the International Community will actually respond. Seriously now, you don't launch a missile over a country and still not call it an act of aggression. I can guarantee you if they had the balls to pull that on us, we would have bombed their ass to the ground before that missile made it over the US and into the Atlantic on the other side. Nobody should have to deal with that kind of threat, especially an ally like Japan.

photo north korea:

http://www.tema.ru/travel/choson-1/
http://www.tema.ru/travel/choson-2/
http://www.tema.ru/travel/choson-3/
http://www.tema.ru/travel/choson-4/
http://www.tema.ru/travel/choson-5/

i agree with wildcat - if missiles were shot over your country, whether you live in the US or not, doesn't matter, guarentied your country would be at war with North Korea. Japan however does not have that option and therefor it is up to the United States to protect her as it is a former US territory and current ally without military options.

Arrogance aside. Lets stop backwards a moment, and ask WHY would they fire missiles at us?
I would like someone to answer this as a measure of evaluation of the subject matter.

They wouldn't. It would provoke an overwhelming response.

Kim Jong Il may be crazy, and he may have a little button that fires the nukes, but I guarantee there is at least one person who would be in that room who cares enough about himself not to court vaporization.

It reminds me of the Cold War. The US was very afraid of Soviet nuclear attacks and the dubious sanity of their leaders... But the Soviet Union was hysterically terrified of what they perceived to be insane americans with ICBMs.

True. True. NK wouldn't be that hard to blow off the map. They know this. Like you said. During the cold war, America, and Russia were afraid that we would vaporize the planet to a cinder, and thats why both sides backed down.

Though I do fear, that the US's list of allies lately has grown thin.

I honestly don't think we should be bombing anybody, however, North Korea would have been a better choice than Iraq.I mean, we're going to need a foothold in China for the future war right? HAHA

And what is wrong with the weather up here??


pfft, arrogant southerners....

As if on cue, major news outlets are reporting that North Korea test fired missiles into the sea of Japan today. Reportedly, they were a response to a recent launching of a new South Korean destroyer capable of destroying aircraft and missiles with greater ease. Regardless of the reason, that kind of blatant hostility should not be tolerated, period. If France, upset over the launching of a new aircraft carrier, launched a test missile into the North Atlantic as a response, I have no doubt that the United States would simply not tolerate it. In reality, nobody should.

Why then, do we stand by, and allow North Korea to engage in such obviously aggressive acts upon our allies?

If North Korea wants to test-fire it's rockets into water... where else would they do it? Toward china? Into South Korea? The sea of japan is very large.

How about cold winters, non existing summers...

BTW, I added another point to my dislike list: Hidden Agendas.

i just wish people would just get over themselves and live in peace and harmony....it sounds like a joke and it will never happen but its nice to dream eh?

I love the title. Should we bomb North Korea? Should we buy Pepsi or Coca Cola?

Seconded. I was like, uh, wtflol?

That's perfect - you've just summarised the typical American arrogance

What's arrogant about that question? Not knowing why North Korea "fire missiles at us" or admitting he doesn't know?

Is it not a given that eccentric dictators defy rational understanding? I've found myself scratching my head regarding much of the economic and political policies emanating from Pyongyang.

Sorry, my bad - It was late
I'm not calling him arrogant, I'm saying that what he said was perfect