it's rather early to make a how-to or files needed type thing. Mainly because there is no how-to, no real breakthrough yet. The 10.4.1 opengl stuff shows a *marginal performance boost* but its hardly worth wetting your pants over.

For anyone here, if you need certain files PM one of us that has them. At some point I might get around to putting the 10.4.1 opengl stuff somewhere. You can get the bundle from the 7500 package, and so the only thing really is the 8500GL plugin. All other files from other versions (the other 10.4.1 8500 kexts for example) haven't been linked with *any* progress as of yet. So if you want to mess around and have lots of time to do so, feel free. If you're looking for a solution to your problem and a nice packaged installer and howto then you're simply out of luck, and will be until someone cracks this.

I might add that I've got all versions of osx86 and that as mentioned before you can get 10.4.5-10.4.9 directly from apple yourself. They're relatively small downloads (100mb or so), and you can use pacifist to extract kexts from them. If you're really serious about experimenting with this stuff, then it's probably worthwhile to download the original 10.4.1 deadmoo image and/or 10.4.3 8f1111 iso or something, so that you have these versions to use for files. Probably a good idea to get those while they're still being seeded around the net before they become defunct.

Is there anything about these drivers that would be causing my Dell D600 (Mobility Radeon 9000)? I used Jas's 10.4.8 AMD Intel release which worked fine except for the graphics... I keep getting crashes just opening some programs.. Like I attempted to open Parallels today and it closes with the same graphic error (at least as far as I can tell.. something about an 8500 and opengl.. a window server error I believe... ) as when I try and watch a DVD, watch a movie on Itunes and play chess. I read that previously Freakymac's opengl file help this situation?

Well, Im still trying to Figure what when wrong with the OpenGL File i made, i mean't it to Extract OpenGL.framework to the framwork directory but it just has the files that are in the folder not the WHOLE File

BTW: I played around with the CompacX1000.dmg and installed it, When i rebooted and looked at the extensions that loaded, it had ATINDRV load along with ATIRadeon8500.kext weird huh?

my guess is they're unrelated. But its still interesting I spose. You can often load a kext w/o it actually doing anything or being officially recognized...

Btw that was the FIRST Time ATINDRV has loaded i have seen

I've been toying with this in 10.4.8 on my inspiron 600m (radeon 9000, 64mb - 4c66) with a spare hard drive, and followed much of the advice on this thread to see how far I could get. Katana allowed me to finally get Callisto b003 working properly, as it appears to be difficult to find a proper copy at this point and the newer versions crash on boot with my box. AGPGart 2.1 also works fine as a result. This first part was the most important step of course, since it allowed me to use 1400x1050.

I also grabbed the old opengl framework from the 7500 package, which improved the appearance of flurry in the preview window (woopdeedoo), but didn't really generate much if any useful improvement to the os.

Finally, I tried some 8500 kexts - the 10.4.8 and 10.4.9 (copied from a real intel mac for the heck of it) versions would not load. I extracted the one from apple's 10.4.6 update, and it loaded. If I tried to use the CallistoFB framebuffer, the video would be scrambled after the OS loaded, so I had to SSH in and revert that change. I later noticed that after getting the 8500 kext to load, the screensaver preview in sys prefs, and video previews in finder cause their respective processes to crash. As such I disabled the 8500 kext all together for now.

Is this the end of the road for now? It's a shame, because I'm not even that concerned about quartz express support at this stage, but it's a bummer that I can't get video playback at all from VLC (with any output module) or mplayer. Each of them crash after a short burst of audio playback.

I appreciate all the work you've all put into trying to get this thing functional. I hope what little information is here doesn't get lost...

believe it or not, I've gotten the best results with quicktime. It's very slightly choppy and occasionally freezes for a few seconds, but compared to the other media players its quite useable.

I noticed the same, but many of the videos I watch/make are in formats unsupported by quicktime so it's not really a solution. Considering the nature of vlc I'm a bit surprised it doesn't have a more basic output module on osx than opengl.

dev: assuming you watch/make divx or xvid I believe you shouldnt have any trouble with them in quicktime if you install the respective codecs separately.

Thanks for the effort, but I am well aware of the capabilities of quicktime (and lack thereof). My problem with quicktime is mainly it's lack of support for containers other than MOV, MP4, AVI... which is off-topic for this thread I only posted my situation in interest of maintaining a drive to find solutions to get these other applications useable.

Does creative suite from adobe use qe/ci? I mean photoshop flash dreamweaver. Do they need qe/ci to work better?

Hm...after trying all the HowTos described I get the feeling that the 9000 finally gets an "unsupported" tag concerning OSX. with no trick I managed to get a nice playback performance for full screen videos on my 1400x1050 lcd...

Perhaps we can come to a conclusion...

after many tried and error, we are still not able to make things work. life is really suuk.

Hello everyone, I been experimenting with Linux and everything, why don't we port the Driver from Linux to mac ne
?

I think someone did already try this...perhaps it cannot be done without major additonial programming efforts and decent knowledge about osx programming...

Hi!
I have an ATI Radeon 9000 64mb (4c66) too in my 16,1" P4 3.06GHz laptop, and Intel i810 in my 12" Centrino 1.7GHz.
Finally I got i810 working great in osx86: QE, CI, full screen video with mplayer plays great and even maximize and minimize windows effects from latest mplayer versions work really great.
But 4c66 seems to be cursed.
Is anything better than katana yet?
It's funny how my best graphic's card laptop in windows and linux is my worst graphics laptop for osx86.
This thread and your efforts are our only hope.
Thanks a lot for keeping trying!

Perhaps we should offer a reward for a driver / howto that makes QE available at all resolutions on a ATI 9000. Unfortunately I lack the knowledge for doing more than trying this and that kext and changing this and that id.

I would be willing to pay for a solution. Perhaps we won't get 10.000 bucks...but as long as someone feeld attracted...

What do you think?

Me to, Hell, im only 15 years old Im not smart!

Is this then end of the road? Am I doomed to no OSX on my Dell D600? *Sniffles*

the only way i see is porting DRI from linux to osx, but it will be hard, too hard for me and totaly useless, those laptop are old and the card the most buggy that ATI ever made, they dont even suport it with the official driver under linux, it is the only unsuported card newer than a m6.

Well I have read all the 6 pages concerning getting this video card work and this just flat out sucks A@@!!!! All be cause i installed MaC on my maching last night version Jas OS X 10.4.8 (8L2127) Intel SSE2 Tiger and I was like HOLY *^&* it worked!!!! It recognized my sounds natively. Im still having trouble with my PCMCIA slot and wireless. But mainly im posting in this thread for this problem:

As it is right now when I view the screensaver menu it crashes. (See attatchment.)

Is there anything I need to install to be able to get just the screen savers to work?

hmm screensavers should work ok, just very slowly.

OS X works ok without QE and hardware OpenGL. Seriously its not all that bad if thats the only bottleneck on your computer. Movies are slightly choppy, theres a bit less eye candy, and I suppose its not exactly great for gaming but beyond that the OS itself works fine.

Do you guys think it will be ever possible to get dual screen support on the 9000?

i think we can forget this, it seems no luck we have and have to change laptop when we wanna use osx

With external adapter yes, but onmi never finisshed is driver so natevely: no

I want to make an attempt to write a better driver for Radeon Mobility 9000IGP DevID=0x5835.

I compiled OpenATI and it works! It work twice as fast as Callisto.
With Callisto I have
<QUOTE>
Quartz Graphics Test 32.26
Line 31.11 2.07 Klines/sec [50% alpha]
Rectangle 24.58 7.34 Krects/sec [50% alpha]
Circle 26.46 2.16 Kcircles/sec [50% alpha]
Bezier 59.30 1.50 Kbeziers/sec [50% alpha]
Text 36.36 2.27 Kchars/sec
OpenGL Graphics Test 24.10
Spinning Squares 24.10 30.58 frames/sec
User Interface Test 36.44
Elements 36.44 167.22 refresh/sec
</QUOTE>
With AGPGart+Ati I have
<QUOTE>
Quartz Graphics Test 51.25
Line 47.58 3.17 Klines/sec [50% alpha]
Rectangle 56.48 16.86 Krects/sec [50% alpha]
Circle 54.39 4.43 Kcircles/sec [50% alpha]
Bezier 64.04 1.62 Kbeziers/sec [50% alpha]
Text 40.27 2.52 Kchars/sec
OpenGL Graphics Test 24.07
Spinning Squares 24.07 30.54 frames/sec
User Interface Test 82.72
Elements 82.72 379.63 refresh/sec
</QUOTE>

This driver have two classes ATIFramebuffer and ATIAccelerator in very initial stage.
I have more advanced sources for Framebuffer that is needed for change resolutions.
It's a way to work.
I have no any sample for IOAccelerator class but may be all that I need is to connect to RadeonGA.plugin etc.

Any help? Suggestions?
I want to look to AGPGart sources to understand what is the diffeence between IOPCIDevice and IOAGPDevice. It would be helpful. Any links?

Where can I get Linux sources for the ATI driver for RS300 chip?

This is very good news!!! If you can get it to work it would be great.

linux ati driver sources

Source

The components of the DRI have been moved into their respective upstream repositories. The DRI drivers reside within Mesa, and the 2D drivers reside in [X.Org http://www.x.org/]. The remaining component is the DRM, which is maintained in a git tree on freedesktop.org.

http://dri.freedesktop.org

I have software Opengl.

In x11 with glgears I get 117 fps. I am using Katana .03a4. I removed the 8500 kext. Any sugestions for hardware opengl? I replaced 10.4.6 with 10.4.1 version of opengl framework...Software is a little faster now.

Graphics/Displays:

Radeon Mobility 9000 Lf:

Chipset Model: Radeon Mobility 9000 Lf
Type: Display
Bus: AGP
VRAM (Total): 64 MB
Vendor: ATI (0x1002)
Device ID: 0x4c66
Revision ID: 0x0002
Displays:
Color LCD:
Resolution: 1024 x 768 @ 60 Hz
Depth: 32-bit Color
Core Image: Not Supported
Main Display: Yes
Mirror: Off
Online: Yes
Quartz Extreme: Not Supported

Hey guys, i just put JAS 10.4.8 on my 600m, which is the first script/driver i should try?

Thanks

This is what i am getting,

Scrolling is slow, but everything works, the screensaver is like a slide show..

Latest source dated by 2002! It does not reliable for our card.

I found that AGPGart is not correctly work with AGP bus. It checks AGP devices 0x5830-0x5833 but not 0x5838 which I have. It is why any ATIRadeonXXXX.kext don't work correctly with some Radeon Mobility AGP cards.
AppleI386AGP don't work with ATI AGP. Any other drivers?
Wait for news...

Slice, very good new that you try to write a driver,
What's wrong with source code being from from 2002 ? These cards are a bit old now.
I don't know if it can be usefull but the RV500 code has been recently reverse engineered, watch here http://lists.freedesktop.org/archives/xorg...une/025506.html.
You may also find some valuable infos inside the radeon.efi file.
You should get in touch with Omni he could probably provide you some usefull infos, you'll find him on the hu server.
About AGPGart, you'll find Joblo10 and all infos here http://x86dev.org/

Good luck

I have more recent code

I saw at this site

Where is git client for MacOSX?

Link?

Yes, I'll do... but

Slice,
afaik there's no compiled git for OSX, about radeon.efi you need to dump it off the EFI it's a tricky process, I know omni has it, and probably some other people.

Edit : I found a git port here http://metastatic.org/text/Concern/2007/08...e-for-mac-os-x/

I tested it, it's OK

Thanks!

There are no live contacts with joblo10 or omni group.
But I need help. I don't understand why:
in AGPGart I see

Its info.plist

ioreg -l tell me

and finally I get dmesg

Why 5831???

Hi there,

unfortunately I have no educated comment converning the code, I just wanted to say that it is great that again there is process in this thing. I've tried several times to get my 9000 card using QE...but no luck with the kexts around...

Slice, if you need any help with that next to programming, just send me a PM. And if you really manage to get QE working on the 9000 series (my device id is 4c66) you can be sure to get a reward from me (via paypal or whatever). No, I do not want you to make it for money...just to show you how desperately I want to get this thing running! And I'm sure that I'm not the only one...

Actually I would say that this 9000 series driver issue is one of the big big unsolved problems of osx86...

And now I will try again to go into this...

Regards, jodo

Slice, maybe you simply found an error

Yes, I think this is a first problem that we must solve:
an error in working with this AGP bus.
Neither ATIRadeon8500 nor ATIRadeon9700 can get real addresses of the card.
May be this is a last problem.

Slice, you are my Hero
if you really create a driver for my 5838 graphic card, and QE finally are activate,
i must donate whit paypal a simbolic gift
I stay tuned
by

Thank for all for supports!
It is very hard work.
I try three ways
1. AGPGart for ATI - near for finish, but with non-understandable error.
2. RadeonFB - approximately as Callisto, but still without QE/CI. Maybe. Not working yet.
3. OpenAti - very far from complete.

Linux driver is a {censored}!


and



And in Ubuntu I have no switch resolution and some strange mini-GL driver.

Damn! Could we assume that the Apple driver for 8500 is derived from this broken driver? It would explain why for instance people with a 7500 have more success than those with a 8500-9200...

Does it exist a source tree of a video driver?

Where I can find actual source of openati?
Regards

It's here: http://sourceforge.net/project/showfiles.php?group_id=151388
But as I already mentioned it is in very initial stage. Only empty classes.
The project include linux sources as docs directory.
Analogous sources can be found in git://anongit.freedesktop.org/git/avivo/xf86-video-avivo
but I go to the address by ftp and successfully download sources of ati driver and i810 driver
Are you programmer? Are you want to join me?

2 jodo

Don't worry! I work on other way. But for now I test only my chip. As I know you have 4c66 so send me information from ioreg -l >ioreg.txt. In future I would need additional informations.

You will release source code of your work?

I'm a sysadmin, and sometime I build and patch some program/driver under linux, if I have a working osx driver as example, I can try to help in porting linux driver to osx.

I have no problem in getting driver for linux but I need a skeleton of working osx driver, and I haven't find it yet.

Eddi

For sure! Here you go!

Quite cool that you are enthusiastic to make it! If you need someone for testing...or more info - I'm here

Is there anybody successfully use ATIRadeon8500 or it never works?
As I see you have Intel AGP bus? Strange. I have not analized this codes yet.
But for ATI AGP there are two mistakes:
1. It doesn't work with AGP@1 (as for you too)
2.


What is radeonTool you have installed?


2 dpeddi


OpenATI project is a working sceleton for OSX. Why you can't download it from sourceforge?
For now I write only testing code to trace possible errors and understand why. To write a driver we need to know why previous one is not working.

From what I know the 8500 driver never works.

I'm fiddling around with this stuff on a Thinkpad R50 with an i855-chipset. Actually it shows AGP in the sys profiler - could you perhaps explain the problem a little bit more? Just out of interest...


To be honest: I don't know It's a remainder of my efforts getting the 7500-method to work. It comes from this thread: http://forum.insanelymac.com/index.php?sho...p;hl=radeontool

(Maybe) A great new, watch this : http://www.vnunet.com/vnunet/news/2198235/...-door-ati-linux