1st off:

*No one with less then SSE2 has any chance

*SSE3 is preferred and will run rosetta the fastest.

*SSE2 can run os x intel but with patches such as in coregraphics, there now are new patches that will allow rosetta to run.

If you need to find information on if you proccesor contains sse2 or sse3 please download CPU-Z from HERE

---thanks sportman

I read somewhere somebody has it running on a SSE cpu, so I'm going out to confirm that. *cough* slow torrents *cough*

So? Did you read it well?

Yeah.

soooo, how do u get it 2 work on SSE only?

Not there yet, still downloading.

qemu

whats the performance like, since i assume you'd be running Windoze, the Qemu on top of that and then Darwin/OSX within qemu?

since i know PearPC was brilliant, just toooo slow to enjoy.

Ta

Any progress with sse?

I hate torrents.

So, I remember yearrrrrs ago, back in the days when x86's didn't have built-in math co-processors, there was (at least one) software-based math-coprocessor *emulator*, which loaded as a TSR under DOS. Sure, it was far slower than having a real 387 chip next to your 386, but it worked well enough to make apps which *required* a 387 think it was installed.

Is something similar to this this even remotely feasable, under OSX, for SSE3 instructions on a non-SSE3 capable cpu?

gemu seems to be the route for this, though i've not tried it yet, but by all accounts its as slow if not slower than running osx in pearpc.

mind u next ver. of pearpc 0.4 is due soon and thats supposed to bring a load of new features and speed improvements.

i made some progress on this, but i can only get the Darwin core up and no GUI, since i'm guessing the GUI engine calls the SSE2 instructions, therefore without some major recompile work or emulation then no hope. i'm hunting for a cheap SSE3 CPU & Mobo.

Well, good to know that people are trying for sse. If it's just mathamatically not possible then what can we do? But it would be nice to have it running on sse. There's a LOT of athlon xp users out there.

Yep, the GUI DOES call for SSE2. Sorry SSE people, you've got QEMU (slow as hell) and PearPC (also slow as hell).

Is it possible to check for this within Linux?

fatbastard:~ # grep flags /proc/cpuinfo
flags : fpu vme de pse tsc msr pae mce cx8 apic sep mtrr pge mca cmov pat pse36 clflush dts acpi mmx fxsr sse sse2 ss ht tm pbe cid xtpr

... and VMWare (faster, but still slow)

arg my overclocked barton 2500 with 1gb of corsair and raid array has more than enough power if only apple wasnt so {censored} retarded in encoding something explicitley for sse2 it's an extension no program let alone operating system should DEPEND on it's presence. but then again apple never intended it to run on anything but new intel hardware which is sad and a leaves out amd. AMD has some great technology but it doesnt have the resources intel does to push out the new designs and research smaller manufacturing processes, I read intel has perfected it's .45 process if only amd had the funds to pursue that then they could really give intel a run for its' money. Not that apple is a big fish anymore it's not a lot of bussiness really for intel but anyways the point of the whole rant is this blows I love my barton and apple should have kept their options open by compiling this so that sse2 and 3 COULD be used if they were there but so that it would not DEPEND on them. What if they do decide to liscense this out to pc's they'll loose bussiness.

You can't use VMWare when you only have SSE, can you?

your only real hope is to skin XP into OSX, i've played with RKLauncher and FlyaKiteOSX, and u know there very very good products, yeah yeah not the same, but hey us SSE pawpers have to get what we can.....

OR use qemu!

Is anywone trying this with Bochs?

SSE3 is an optional hardware feature on MacOS X for Intel and is not enabled by default on gcc-4.0. If SSE3 is turned on, the C preprocessor symbol __SSE3__ is defined.


--Source: Apple

So apple is redarded for making an os that you cant pirate? And theres no amd cpus with sse3? and apple somewhere has secret plans to use amd processors, without first changing their os to run on them? and apple really gives a rip if you can run a pirated version of their os on your barton, I think you should phone up apple support and complain. like common, their a hardware company (something that people need to be told over and over again) and buying other peoples hardware definantly doesnt help them. and just because sse3 is a extention doesnt be oses shouldnt be optimized for it, would you like everything to run in native 8086 mode, without any fpu extentions, incase i decide to install windows vista on my xt? next time think before ranting, apple doesnt plan on making a barton based powermac anytime in the near future, so why should they make an os that supports it?

i've said it before, and i'll say it again...

...kids...

*Shakes Head*

Anyone know how to use the patched developer CD on QEMU? Also Bochs? With kqemu it says that it can run at 80% or over of native processor capacity. Anyone?

I'm trying it with Bochs. But how can i add SSE2 support in Bochs?

OSX86 in QEMU

What's this?

which does the DOTHAN 1.5G cpu belong to?

with SSE only (athlon xp 2800+ barton) I only got to the first thing, but no debugger was found and it hangs. What a pity. Hopefully Apple gets it better without SSE2, but my guess is that this won't be happening...

Pity!!!

Man, I cant WAIT to get my Sempron 2800+.

64-Bit and SSE3! w00t!

I tired on my overclocked 2800+ Barton and all I got to was the boot screen and it stayed in one spot for a day and a half, so I gave up.


Right now I'm using it on my P4 machine but I can't seem to get any PPC apps to work.

By the way, I don't see why OS X86 wouldn't be optimized for anything LESS than SSE3 because Apple wants you to use Apple hardware, and they will most likley sell only SSE3 processors. Espcially since by the time the new Mac Intel boxes are being sold (not the devkits) Intel may stop making < SS3 processors.

And Blackice hello!
I didn't expect to see anyone from AeroXp here.

Actually, every processor on the current Intel line has SSE3. Said and done.

The Intel Pentium M on my laptop does not support SSE3, it only has up to SSE2.

Ok, I PERSONALLY got to installer drive selection on P III on Intel 815. Sadly, it can't see my drives.
For this to happen you need a lot of (strange) tweaking in BIOS. As I killed my main HD with this, I had to reset settings to reinstall win on new HD. Since then I can't reproduce that BIOS combination - but I just afraid of killing my drive again.

so i cant use rosetta with my sse processor?

is SSE3 for Intel any different to SSE3 for AMD?

coz i read some forums that some apps that require rosetta won't run on AMD SSE3. tried Preview for example. it is tipped that to view pictures with Preview i need to check the "Open with Rosetta" option. i've done that and yet i'm not getting any result.

That is untrue. The current Pentium M line (Dothan) does not support SSE3, it's replacement, Yonah does.

You don't get 64bit with Semprons, dude. Sorry

Shameless crosspost, but this seems a more appropriate place:

I've ran the SSE patch (my AMD 64 3000+ is an SSE2) but I still cant get iTunes (or any other SSE3 application) to work. I can't find Rosetta (it's not under the 'get info'-option), it doesn't seem to be available on my system. I'm using the Deadmoo version, is that a problem? Any suggestions?

do a fresh install from one of the patched dev dvds.....it should help out, works better than deadmoo...itunes never worked with the deadmoo for me **edit: also make sure you get the latest patches if you are going to stick with deadmoo**

as far as the previous post about pentium M line not supporting sse3.....can't wait for yonah =)

OK, so I reinstalled with one of those skanky patched marklar discs... I now have a nice partition map, but Rosetta, I can't help but feel, is **a lot** slower now. [edit: on my SSE3-enabled celeron 331]

Is there any way I can check the status of my Rosetta subsystem? Maybe MD5 sums, or such, for the key files. for reference, I've done all of the obvious things -- the CoreGraphics file, and mach_kernel have been replaced with the SSE3 versions. If this is an issue with everyone installing from said disc, it probably should be posted here...

As far as I know - all the Semprons sold today (socket 754) are 64bit with SSE3 support.

(please correct me if I am wrong)

If you look around you can probably find an "old" Sempron that only have 32bit and SSE2 support - but they are hard to find today.

I have been looking on amd's web page and getting 2 conflicting results depending on where i look there

I think my chip is the clawhammer

amd website on some pages shows socket 754 as being sse2/3 but last time i checked with winblows it did not display sse3 not sure if there are settings in bios or if only some 754 pin chips support sse3 if that is the so what would be the best chip to replace my existing one with also is there any difference with sepron 64/athlon64?

Sempron 754's are SSE3 capable, last time I checked. I am also pretty sure that they have 64-bit extensions on them as well.

It would be kind of ridiculous for Apple to develop an operating system with support for SSE processors. It would not only be a lot more work for a lot less response, but it wouldn't do much for the OS anyway b/c it would run slow.

So to SSE.

My Duron 1.8 (not the machine I'm going to try osx86 on) has only SSE and I can use vmware just fine- unless you mean, use it to emulate an SSE2 cpu, in that case is a big fat no.

found this on amd site

http://www.amd.com/us-en/Processors/Produc...9_11604,00.html

which states sempron is sse2 but I am sure I too have seen that sempron 754 is sse3 not sure where, I also can find no referene to 64 bit.

Is there anyone here who is succesfully running os x on a sse machine. If not can u tell me what goes wrong, what works with an sse cpu, when it goes wrong etc. I know my old dell latitude c600 ( p3 850 mhz) won't be fast in os x. but i think everything is better than XP as long it isn't a command line.

The 754 pin Semprons come two flavors...one with 64 bit enabled and one without 64bit enabled. The Sempron64's have SSE3. The 32bit version is only SSE2