I need to learn macos in case I have to support it at work, is there a current build/shopping list for a fully supported board/vid/lan/sound setup?

I remember a few pages way back when, had a 199 $ build that fully worked, I came up with my own list, but I found too many issues every time I researched a motherboard


I came up with an asus board,

ASUS P5LD2-VM Socket T (LGA 775) Intel 945G miniATX, seems like the sound/lan did not work, required mods to kext files in 10.4.4/5 or possibly a 10.4.3 install to get it to work


the original thread

http://www.osx86project.org/index.php?opti...&id=27&Itemid=2

not sure what board this used, or if it works native under 10.4.4 or 10.4.5


sugestions?

PS

personally I want to go mini-itx this will morph into a linux/ubuntu/dapper box eventually

something like the Hoojum Cubit 3 case

wow nobody build one lately?

well ur research just got over ....get ur self a D915GLVGL ....its cheap + its fully supported ..no need to patch anything ..everything works out of the box wid PREPATCHED 10.4.4/4.5 ..sound, lan , qe/ci , usb, sata, ide, .... i guess if ull be goin with the intel celeron D 326 ....u could get ur rig fixed for 199$ ..thats wat i did ..for my office rig




This board is a micro atx

The Intel D915GUXLK (similiar to Hitesh's D915GLVGL) is an ideal discount motherboard with FireWire and Gigabit Eithernet for only $78.99 here:
http://www.geeks.com/details.asp?invtid=D9...ng&cm_ite=total

Do any of you know any Non-ddr2 boards that are supported? Im sitting on a ton of ddr. Also an agp slot would be awesome also.

the Mobo i recommended is a DDR board (D915GLVGL) ,,but it aint got an agp slot .. its got a PCI EXPRESS

I've got a Asus p5gl-mx board that i got when i first started to build one. The only reason I am not using it now is that it only has one PATA port and I wanted two. Other than that I had no problem getting everything on it to work beautifully with very little fuss. It is a 915g based board with GMA900 graphics. Even has a great feature of hitting F8 to select different hard drives in bios before boot so you don't have to use a bootloader. And it uses regular DDR. Check it all out at:

http://www.asus.com/products3.aspx?l1=3&l2...e=Intel%20915GL

I am putting it on ebay in the next couple of days. If you are interested let me know.

Now we are talking serious discount, the Asus p5gl-mx is only $47.60 at NewEgg:

http://www.newegg.com/product/Product.asp?...tel+Motherboard

No FireWire, no Gigabyte Ethernet (10/100 only) and DDR-400 (PC 3200).

Yeah, the P5GL-MX is not feature laden but a $199 mac won't be. I wanted better so I got an Aopen i945ga-plf from newegg for less than $70. Now i have firewire, DDR2 and Gigabit Lan. Also will support dual core when I decide to get one on the cheap in a year or so.

I know it's a no-no on what to post and not, even being a noob, I have done some research....

Anyway, is there a PREpatched 10.4/10.5 image floating around? All I've seen at konglsish (spelling on purpose) is patches...and the only image I've seen posted is a 10.3 version on usenet.

What is the fastest CPU you can put in these boxes? I would like to build a working out of the box unit with a INTEL dual core. Meaning working lan, audio, and any PCI cards I use being recognized!

Thanks!

You didn't look in the right newsgroup then. The 10.4/10.5 is posted. It's also in torrent form. Google it using "pie" and "cheese".




The speed limit of the cpu is dependant on the chipset used. Don't know anything about the AMD boards, but genuine Intels (915G thru 955X) are basically a turn the key & go proposition. PCI card recognition is wholly dependant on whatever driver support already exists, whether Apple provided it, or as it comes from the card vendor (and that ain't gonna be much - for awhile anyways).

Thanks for the info, from what I gather the following chipsets work out of the box no kext editing, all off the standard hacked install dvd's

intel 915GL Chipset
Realtek ALC860 sound
Intel GMA900 video
Intel 82562GZ Lan


if I was going to a 945 chipset they all have sigmatel 9220 which dont seem to work out of the box, but they do get the GMA950, and most dont have lan chips that work right, or sata working right

It is trivial to fix the SigmaTel 9220. You just drop in the 10.4.3 version of AppleHDA.kext, this takes seconds. It really is not an issue.

My on-board Ethernet and SATA work prefectly "out of the box" (except for RAID).

http://biznes.pclab.pl/zdjecia/artykuly/pi...msi-mpc-915.jpg

MSI MPC 915 Barebone - not really cheap, but a VERY nice one. in my opinion a worthy "standard" x86 Box for OS X!

[edit] and by the way fully supported - sound,lan,gma900,usb,cardreader,sata all work.[/edit]

Nice case.

$220 mactel I couldnt get any lower then that

ATX Computer Cases

Qty. Product Description Unit Price Savings Total Price
1 COOLMAX CV-560-Gray 0.6mm Steel/ ABS ATX Mid Tower Computer Case - Retail
Model #:CV-560-Gray W/O PS

Add this item to your cart
$14.99 $14.99

CD/DVD ROM Drives

Qty. Product Description Unit Price Savings Total Price
1 LITE-ON Black ATAPI/E-IDE DVD-ROM Drive Model SHD-16P1S - OEM
Model #:SHD-16P1S OEM

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$18.99 $18.99

Intel-compatible Motherboards

Qty. Product Description Unit Price Savings Total Price
1 MSI 915GLM-V Socket T (LGA 775) Intel 915GL Micro ATX Intel Motherboard - Retail
Model #:915GLM-V
** This item is warranted through the product manufacturer only.
Add this item to your cart
$67.00 $67.00

Internal Hard Drives

Qty. Product Description Unit Price Savings Total Price
1 Seagate U Series X 20 ST320014A 20GB 5400 RPM IDE Ultra ATA100 Hard Drive - OEM
Model #:ST320014A

Add this item to your cart
$30.00 $30.00

Memory - System

Qty. Product Description Unit Price Savings Total Price
1 CORSAIR ValueSelect 256MB 184-Pin DDR SDRAM DDR 400 (PC 3200) Unbuffered System Memory Model VS256MB400 - Retail
Model #:VS256MB400

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$18.55 $18.55

Processors

Qty. Product Description Unit Price Savings Total Price
1 Intel Celeron D 326 Prescott 533MHz FSB LGA 775 EM64T Processor w/ Execute Disable Bit Model BX80547RE2533CN - Retail
Model #:BX80547RE2533CN
** This item is warranted through the product manufacturer only.
Add this item to your cart
$66.00 $66.00
SubTotal: $215.53

It looks like you forgot the power supply.

I'll be installling for the first time on my windows PC tomorrow, but I'm already scheming to build a dedicated machine for OSX and Linux.

Here's what I was thinking and I was hoping to hear of your experiences w/ any of the products or chipsets I've choosen. Obviously, this is on a bit of a tight budget, as that is fitting for this thread.

MoBo: Couple of Choices here!

1) AOpen i945Ga-PLF Socket T (LGA 775) Intel 945G ATX Intel Motherboard
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.asp?...N82E16813137069

-How well does the 945 chipset work and how well does the GMA 950 compare to the 900?

2)Gigabyte GA-8I945GMF Socket T (LGA 775) Intel 945G Micro ATX Intel Motherboard
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.asp?...N82E16813128303

-Similar to above, just cheaper.

3) Any 915 board w/ GMA 900
such as the MSI 915GLM-V Socket T (LGA 775) Intel 915GL Micro ATX Intel Motherboard

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.asp?...N82E16813130518

-should I just bite the bullet and go w/ the 945 chipset?


CPU

1) Intel Celeron 326 or would I be significantly better off with an Intel Pentium 4 506, most specifically in iLife?

Video

1) I'm assuming that integrated is currently the way to go until most of the driver situations are sorted out, right?


Memory

1) either 512 or a gig w/e I can squeak into my budget.

Psu

1) I already have a 300 watt Enermax PSU that I think I'll be able to recycle for this project.

Thank You All Very Much for Any Assistance Offered!!!!!

-indi

That is the way I see it.


It depends on how long you want to use this rig. If you plan to use it for years, then yes get 945 and upgrade the rest later. You can always drop in more RAM.

But if this for short term use and you want to get the most bang for your buck now, I would definitely spend the money first on the 506 Pentium and secondly on one GB of RAM (512 MB will constrain OS X) over the 945 motherboard.

Do you feel that it is actually viable to run one of these x86 machines for years, this is especially germaine as I was really seriously hoping to replace an aging 500MHz iMac G3 w/ this new build.

Also how will the Celeron perform in iLife, comperable to a G4?

And I'm pretty sure I'll be going w/ a gig of RAM.

I see no reason why not. It is trival to upgrade the CPU and the Intel 945 boards support high speed throughput and EFI (should that ever become supported by the OSx86 community).

The real downside is that in six months or so, when Intel roles out the real next generation of CPU's (Woodcrest, Conroe and Merom), which are significantly faster in many ways, the stuff we have now will be completely obsolete. In short, it is a bad time to buy Intel hardware, even the new Yonah based Macs are somewhat undersirable for long term use because Yonah is just a short-term intermediate design chip. Merom is the really deal and I will probably wait for a MacBook Pro with that instead.

I have not used a Celeron but would guess they are generally faster than any G4 just because the Celeron's front side bus is 533 MHz versus 167 on the GHz (vector code may another story because Altivec kicks SSE3, Intel is fixing this issue with Woodcrest, Conroe and Merom).

OK so it would be logical to install on a secondary drive on my current windows PC and play around w/ it, then in 6months to a year come back and re-evaluate the osx86 scene and compare it to Apple's revised offerings, sounds good! Thanks for your extensive help and knowledge bofors!

Not trivial, I looked for 2 weeks for 10.4.3 kext's for my 10.4.4/5 install, and I gave up

Can someone point me to the AppleHDA.kext. PM please

Can I use this old DDR (PC2100 133 MHz)
in the new motherboard?
such as intel D915GLVG?


thanks!!

Anyone needing the 10.4.3 AppleHDA.kext may PM me with an email address and you will receive it.

need some kext pm me too.. ive received a lot of help from this forum .. bearcat , bofor and many more

SILENT intelmac dream machine.

i am trying to help a friend build a mid-budget machine. the criterias i am given are:

- should have supported hardware as much as possible with hacking as little as possible.

have support for
- audio
- firewire
- fully supported gfx (res, qe/ci -->gma)
- usb
- cpu with sse3 (no emulation) and SILENT fan
- hardware update/upgrade (a motherboard that supports dual core intels)
- i guess it will use ddr2 ram
- silent PSU

already available.
harddrives sata/ata, dvd drive

if possible small formfactor but not a must!

try using http://www.stegcomputer.ch/shop.asp or ebay (or any shop shipping internationally) for finding the parts since we're not on the other side of the pond.

so what's needed (with my current candidates)
- motherboard
[http://www.stegcomputer.ch/details.asp?prodid=int-945gntlk]
- cpu (with silent fan, is the fan that comes with the cpu silent???)
[http://www.stegcomputer.ch/details.asp?prodid=int-PD-805]
- ram
[http://www.stegcomputer.ch/details.asp?prodid=ram-533-1024]
- psu (silent)
[http://www.stegcomputer.ch/details.asp?prodid=rap-pro-450]
- box (silent)
[http://www.stegcomputer.ch/details.asp?prodid=spi-sp2705b]

Are these new chips going to be 775 socket compatible?

ok so the Intel side has been addressed, so now for ppl that prefer the other white meat. Anyone got any nice suggestions for an Athlon 64 setup. THis is more challenging but AMD OWNS!

No and they will likely require a new chipset too.

I found the 10.4.5 installed it then re-installed 10.4.3...
The 10.4.5 myzar had what looked to be like some bugs, but then again, I am a reaaaaaal noob when it comes to figuring out how to patch, I'm very clueless.

Anyway, I am posting becuase I am also wondering about building a INTEL BOARD OSX setup instead of my AMD 64, but I do want something that will have the possibility to upgrade the GMA900 to a good Graphic card, especially since none of the GMA900 will run final cut pro.

So in essence, what is the cheap way to go (motherboard/case, DDR, etc) and very technical with windows, both hardware and software, regedit, system services, etc, but clueless with OSX but have the ability to upgrade the graphic card and also, these systems that have the GMA900 and CELERON how do they compare POWER wise compared to a Mini then a G5? Or rather what CPU would be compared to these mac machines power wise? My AMD works fast but no sound, and it see's my AGP as a PCI graphic card (FX5700) and if I try the RADEON 9800 pro, this card makes everything choppy. The goal is audio/graphic/video work.

Thanks

retroz:



is this true? this is suprising news to me. can someone please verify this?

can we got back on topic? i'm really interested ina 199 box that is 10.4.5 compatible......

Seagate U Series X 20 ST320014A 20GB 5400 RPM IDE Ultra ATA100 Hard Drive - OEM
Model #: ST320014A
Item #: N82E16822148051

$30.00

WINTEC AMPO 256MB 240-Pin DDR2 SDRAM DDR2 533 (PC2 4200) Unbuffered System Memory Model 3AMD2533-256M1-R - Retail
Model #: 3AMD2533-256M1-R
Item #: N82E16820161635

$15.33

Foxconn 945G7MA-8KS2 Socket T (LGA 775) Intel 945G Micro ATX Intel Motherboard - Retail
Model #: 945G7MA-8KS2
Item #: N82E16813186074

$91.00

Intel Celeron D 331 Prescott 533MHz FSB LGA 775 64-Bit Processor w/ Execute Disable Bit Model BX80547RE2667CN - Retail
Model #: BX80547RE2667CN
Item #: N82E16819112206

$66.00

Subtotal: $217.32
Shipping to 95624: $29.87
$247.19
Tax 7.75%: $15.76
Total: $262.95


best i could do for a GMA950 based system was $247.19 w/o tax

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seems like for a 199 system, it'd have to be gma900 based.....

It would be interesting if we could find a dirt cheap dell config that would run it. I know sometimes dell just has a good deal that we can reproduce by buying it all seperatly.

dell dimension b110 is 329 before 50 dollar mailin rebate (price w/o monitor)

Or just buy a used box off ebay, you can get desktops for dirt cheap, people rarely bid on mid to low end desktops unless they are buying it for scraps or for their grandmother(ppl tend to think any used box with XP is going to be unusable. [not far off]). Either way, you'll get a steal.

I used the following:

Intel BOXD915GLVGL Socket T (LGA 775) Intel 915GL Micro ATX Intel Motherboard - OEM -49.99

CASE FOXCONN|3GTW001-W-HP350 RT - 34.99

Intel Celeron D 336 Prescott 533MHz FSB LGA 775 64-Bit Processor w/ Execute Disable Bit Model BX80547RE2800CN - 70.50

1GB Ram - $55

NEC DL DVD burner - 39.99

Total $250 for a sweet machine that runs 10.4.5 perfectly no issues whatsoever.

I have almost EXACTLY the same setup, sans case. Have you done any xbench tests? I'm getting really bad performance with this setup, and unable to play quicktime videos (they're like a slideshow the framerate is so bad). But, I do have CoreGraphics support because the widgets 'plop'. So I suspect the CPU.

no troubles with quicktime, even HD videos. I will do xbench tests today and let you know what I find.

ASUS P5GV-MX Just About 70$ It's fullworking with 10.4.5 and 10.4.6 from www.demonoid.com

My current desktop build cost the following amounts:

Intel D945GCZ - $31.00
Celeron D 331 - $45.00
1GB DDR2 - $40.00
80GB IDE HD - $30.00
DVD R/RW 16x - $35.00

That's $181.00 right there for everything except sound and network working out of the box. Both issues were resolved however with some patching of kext files.

Performance seems to be quite good. Was playing World of Warcraft on it for a few hours yesterday at 1600x1200 and all was well.

Dear Schwen:

I bought an MSI 915 Barebone system because I wanted something in "Micro" case that would fully support OSx86. I am running OSx86 10.4.5 and fully support Graphics, Sound and Networking. All I had to add was Netgear WG311T (PCI). OSx86 recognized as an Airport Card automatically!

The GMA 900 Chipset fully supports Quartz Extreme and Core Image as well as higher resolutions.

I had an old IDE 100GB Hard Drive I put in. I have three (3) partitions for Windows XP Pro SP1, Mac OSx86 10.4.5 and Puppy OS (Linux). All in all, I'm very happy with the system.

--Danyell =)

so anyone get the 199 mark yet again?

Well, I just picked up $74 motherboard/cpu combo. The board is a biostar P4M800 with the VIA chipset. Came with 3.06gz celery. Not sure if you could add a case, video, hd, and memory for an extra $125 but probably for not much more. Everything is up and running except USB on the board, and as soon a I can get someone to send the IOUSBFamily.kext from 10.4.3 - I'll have that working too.

Here:

mucho gracias!

I got an "open box" mPC from NewEgg for $150. Everything works perfectly with a cheap 3.06GHz Celeron, 1GB DDR and a Radeon 9200 flashed PCI card. I'm looking around to see how to fully use a X600 Pro PCI-e that I have laying around. Time will tell.