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Envying
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Davide: I’m happy to explain that our module is perfectly legal, for a number of reasons, most of them technical. So we can reattach to the tech discussion too. First of all, the EFiX is absolutely not related to the hackintosh underworld. It doesn’t use a single line of patched code, and I am going to explain to you why.



The EFiX is not a pen-drive at all. Inside it, there is a very powerful CPU and several gigabytes of dedicated static RAM. The module has its own code, language and endless functions. So there is absolutely no way that we even thought about using the patch-a-boo approach of "hackintosh".




http://www.tomshardware.com/reviews/efi-x-...d-usb,2021.html
djmastera2000
QUOTE(Envying @ Sep 23 2008, 12:28 AM) *


Several gigabytes of static ram and endless code....lol
3D mn
it looks like a mini PC, CPU and RAM what about GPU tongue.gif ?
Onetrack
Several gigabytes could mean 3,4.... thats pretty cheap these days..and have you seen 1 gigabyte of source code? you don't want to live as long as it takes to scroll through it.



QUOTE(djmastera2000 @ Sep 22 2008, 04:28 PM) *
Several gigabytes of static ram and endless code....lol

performa
QUOTE(Onetrack @ Sep 23 2008, 02:05 AM) *
Several gigabytes could mean 3,4.... thats pretty cheap these days..and have you seen 1 gigabyte of source code? you don't want to live as long as it takes to scroll through it.

Several gigabytes? Come on, you can fit an entire PC's RAM in that. And how are they supposed to fill or use this RAM, with only a tiny and cheap CPU in place in the modul. And no way they have amassed even 1 GB of source code. That'd take ages. That's probably more than an entire Office suite.
netkas
David - Ceo , LOL
spokesman he is.
Alex HQuest
EFiX is an EFI implementation over USB, wrapping up EFI calls to their own "CPU" (or "BIOS", i should say) and with their intermediary boot loader installed on "gigabytes of RAM".

Ah, he tells this: "The EFiX is the first BPU (boot processing unit) on the market."

Bingo.

But hey, his interview made me some good laughs.
djmastera2000
QUOTE(netkas @ Sep 23 2008, 08:05 PM) *
David - Ceo , LOL
spokesman he is.


You got it lol
inimicus
Reading the comments are great.

Many users don't have a clue. Especially the "I've never used a Mac before, and why would I want to? They're {censored}!" comments.
weaksauce12
QUOTE(performa @ Sep 23 2008, 01:50 PM) *
Several gigabytes? Come on, you can fit an entire PC's RAM in that. And how are they supposed to fill or use this RAM, with only a tiny and cheap CPU in place in the modul. And no way they have amassed even 1 GB of source code. That'd take ages. That's probably more than an entire Office suite.


The point isn't to fill it, the point is future expandability - they can continually upgrade the onboard software and hardware drivers as new equipment comes out. Rather than being stuck with a small amount of memory, they put a few gigs in to future-proof it.

I got mine today. It's awesome. I paid EFI-X for the chip, they gave me what they advertised. I'm happy!
Polpus
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Tuan: We’re very interested in it from both a technical point of view as well as a legal point of view — you know the legal question was coming!

Davide: I’m happy to explain that our module is perfectly legal, for a number of reasons, most of them technical. So we can reattach to the tech discussion too. First of all, the EFiX is absolutely not related to the hackintosh underworld. It doesn’t use a single line of patched code, and I am going to explain to you why.


Haha. Deffensive much?

I wonder how true it is that they didn't use a single line of hackintosh code.

Stolen code or not, there's no doubt they "borrowed" more than a few breakthroughs achieved by this community. They should pay a bit more respect.

Leoopardoo
QUOTE(Polpus @ Sep 24 2008, 05:15 PM) *
Haha. Deffensive much?

I wonder how true it is that they didn't use a single line of hackintosh code.

Stolen code or not, there's no doubt they "borrowed" more than a few breakthroughs achieved by this community. They should pay a bit more respect.


...well, how come that they "don't have anything to do" with osx86 community if they are supporting only the hardware specified on wiki.osx86project ?! smile.gif I doubt that statement angel.png
Maxintosh
QUOTE(Polpus @ Sep 24 2008, 08:15 AM) *
Stolen code or not, there's no doubt they "borrowed" more than a few breakthroughs achieved by this community.

Pure specualtion.



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Davide: To one of Tom’s Hardware’s readers for example, an overclocker, modder, spending money for an iMac or Mac Pro is a waste.

Tuan: And the fact is, Apple doesn’t have enough hardware choices for them.

Davide: Exactly.

God I hope Apple reads this! The one reason why I'd buy a EFix is because they have apparently abandoned a model between the old mini (still not updated) and the Mac Pro.

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Davide: Windows shalt not cross these premises! [grin]

Tuan: [laugh]

LOL tongue.gif


twitterfire
I don't like very much the way Efix's creators are behaving:

Davide: The EFiX will work only on what we want it to work. This is to limit the users to exactly those that we want to use the module.

Tuan: Right, because then they’d be selling a hackintosh of sorts, going the route of Psystar.
Davide: Not only that, they are taking away from Apple, its rightful piece of the market

Davide: We want to be for Apple what Iomega or Lacie is to them; someone that goes in their same direction, not someone who challenges or damages them.


Sure, poor, poor Apple! Grow up man, Apple is damn monopoly and that Steve Jobs is in fact a shark hiding in the bak of a nice huy.

I don't love Apple. I don't love Microsoft and it's not my duty to love them. It happens that I use their os-es. And I want to use the ose on my hardware of choice not on some monopolistic, expensive hardware Apple puts it together. Also, I don't want to be forced to use one of the three boards suported by efix - because they don't want to hurt Apple.

If efix doesn't like my hardware I will not buy nor efix neither some mb uported by them. In fact I am very happy with osx86.

It seems normal to me that they better suport a large set of hardware. Anyway I think they'll go bankrupt with such lousy choices for motherboards.
Maxintosh
QUOTE(twitterfire @ Sep 24 2008, 11:43 AM) *
Apple is damn monopoly and that Steve Jobs is in fact a shark hiding in the bak of a nice huy.

LOL tongue.gif That is funny on so many levels biggrin.gif

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I want to use the ose on my hardware of choice not on some monopolistic, expensive hardware Apple puts it together. Also, I don't want to be forced to use one of the three boards suported by efix -

This isn't about what you want. It never was, and never it never will be about what you want. It's about what the masses want, and only they will determine the success of the product. Deal with it.

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I think they'll go bankrupt with such lousy choices for motherboards.

A legal way to add OS X to a PC... Hmmm... I doubt they will go bankrupt this century. More likely they will become a major player and people will buy tons of their products, while you alone will be the only one left out in the rain wink.gif
twitterfire
QUOTE(Maxintosh @ Sep 24 2008, 07:33 PM) *
LOL tongue.gif That is funny on so many levels biggrin.gif


This isn't about what you want. It never was, and never it never will be about what you want. It's about what the masses want, and only they will determine the success of the product. Deal with it.


You're pretty sure the masses want monopoly or an extremely limited choice in hardware. Maybe you are wrong?

QUOTE(Maxintosh @ Sep 24 2008, 07:33 PM) *
A legal way to add OS X to a PC... Hmmm... I doubt they will go bankrupt this century. More likely they will become a major player and people will buy tons of their products, while you alone will be the only one left out in the rain wink.gif


Yeah. Right now hordes of users are excitedly filling their payment forms for efix. The future is bright! The future is efix!
Maxintosh
QUOTE(twitterfire @ Sep 24 2008, 01:02 PM) *
You're pretty sure the masses want either monopoly either en extremely limited choice in hardware.

Someone care to translate this? LOL biggrin.gif
weaksauce12
QUOTE(twitterfire @ Sep 24 2008, 04:02 PM) *
Yeah. Right now hordes of users are excitedly filling their payment forms for efix. The future is bright! The future is efix!


EFI-X is Soylent Green!

blink.gif

Maxintosh
QUOTE(weaksauce12 @ Sep 24 2008, 09:36 PM) *
EFI-X is Soylent Green!

LOL biggrin.gif

Houston, we have a problem!
twitterfire
Efix does not follow the osx86 spirit. By tying it to five motherboards they follow the apple monopolistic spirit.
weaksauce12
QUOTE(twitterfire @ Sep 25 2008, 12:17 PM) *
Efix does not follow the osx86 spirit. By tying it to five motherboards they follow the apple monopolistic spirit.


By tying it to specific motherboards they achieve 100% compatibility. Tell me ONE system here on InsanelyMac that you can get to give you 100% functionality out of the box. NONE. There is always a quirk or a bug somewhere. Even Stella's awesome OS X for MSI Wind disc has bugs - the audio driver doesn't work and the video driver sometimes switches resolutions upon booting.

You can't create a product that works on absolutely everything 100% perfectly because it'd turn into Windows - it'd just run mediocre. The reason why Apple is so successful with the stability of their operating system is that they manufacture and support their own hardware. Everything always works 100% of the time with their hardware (barring normal manufacturing defects and whatnot). The hardest thing OS engineers have to do is make it work on a variety of hardware. By supporting a limited number of motherboards, EFI-X is giving its customers 100% reliability and compatibility.

I see nothing wrong with that. In fact, I'm glad someone is doing it - it's nice to be able to pick up a product and have the Hackintosh headache removed for you. Let them do all the work so I can run my "Mac Pro Lite" for $1,000. I don't see why it should be free, either - they have people working full-time on their product who need to take care of their families. I don't work full-time on my guides and I don't expect anyone to pay me a cent for the help I give out. I don't know if that makes a lot of sense, but that's the way I see it. Like the Joker in Batman said - if you're good at something, you should be paid for it wink.gif
twitterfire
Who says it should be free? But if you read the interview, it's obvious that they are limiting the hardware choices in order not to irritate Apple. Motherboards with very same specs like those in their Hcl are artificially restrained from running with efix.
weaksauce12
QUOTE(twitterfire @ Sep 25 2008, 05:10 PM) *
Who says it should be free? But if you read the interview, it's obvious that they are limiting the hardware choices in order not to irritate Apple. Motherboards with very same specs like those in their Hcl are artificially restrained from running with efix.


Hmm that's interesting. I supposed that's why they don't have any Dual-Processor motherboards on the list...that could easily cannibalize Apple's sales of the Mac Pro. That makes good business sense, good point there twitterfire!

Although why not hook us up with a "Mac Pro Ultra" like this?

http://www.supermicro.com/products/motherb.../7300/X7QCE.cfm

haha tongue.gif
flashGX
EFI-X kinda seems as-if its for people that have no idea about osx86, or cant be bother with the minor hassles of getting their hands dirty. Im not dissing its capabilities, because sure enough, it does let you run Leopard 100% on a pc *if you comply to the strict hardware compatibilty list*. That was never the point of osx86, the whole point was of expanding the hcp, making os x available to the masses, and if EFiX does not make it available to the masses. They make it available to the people who comply, and buy or have previously bought the compatible hardware. Now what does efi-x offer me and my hp pavillion. Nothing. And like many of the others in this community i enjoy the challenge that osx86 entails. The satisfaction of patching the drivers and them working, or seeing a sucessful install, in my opinion is much better than a usb stick that can have up to and over a $1000 price tag. soon ill be buying a completely new machine for dedicated osx86, i already have my retail os x disks, so ill be trying to get a close to a vanilla install as possible. i think with abit research and the like, a very similar effect can be acheived as efix, without the need of purchasing the usb stick at all. But for those who will find efix more to their personal preference, then they should buy it. Most of the interest seems to be coming from the osx86 community anyway. Most people dont even think mac can run on pc anyway. And alot of pc users wont even consider mac. So i dont see this being a sucessful as the osx86 community has been. not by far.
sephtin
QUOTE(flashGX @ Sep 25 2008, 08:41 PM) *
EFI-X kinda seems as-if its for people that have no idea about osx86, or cant be bother with the minor hassles of getting their hands dirty.
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So i dont see this being a sucessful as the osx86 community has been. not by far.

Well said.
I completely agree.  I honestly don't feel that the community has anything to worry about from EFI-X.  In fact, I think the chip's popularity will only increase the number of people interested in OSx86...  It brought me in, and I will be following and hopefully contributing because of it...
Most of the people that are going on and on about EFIX are also booting OSx86 environments as well...
pooboy
I would like to add something. I know that they advertise 100% compatibility but the truth is that it is not 100% not even close. Any premade disk kalyway or such works better.

http://forum.efi-x.com/viewforum.php?f=16&...a3ed66d667a3ba2

See all there bugs. Alot of them are not resolved and its doubtful this thing will ever be 100%. Now I for one would be pissed, if I bought this thing and it was less ''compatible'' than a premade disk, as it is in its current state!



QUOTE(Maxintosh @ Sep 24 2008, 07:33 PM) *
LOL tongue.gif That is funny on so many levels biggrin.gif


I dont know what you think is so funny about Apples monopolist practices?
Kiko
sometimes i wonder if weaksauce is on the paycheck. and that interview is total bullshit. i never imagined anyone could make up more {censored} than me in one sitting. but i guess its true
Maxintosh
QUOTE(pooboy @ Sep 30 2008, 03:11 PM) *
I dont know what you think is so funny about Apples monopolist practices?

Well let me see, FIRST they'd have to actually be a monopoly. LOL biggrin.gif
pooboy
QUOTE(Maxintosh @ Oct 1 2008, 02:39 AM) *
Well let me see, FIRST they'd have to actually be a monopoly. LOL biggrin.gif



actually that is not how it works. It is LEGAL to be a monopoly but illegal to use the monopoly to create unfair advantages or use unfair practices to create a monopoly. Such as apple fairplay. Making there DRM files only compatible on ipods and the bundling of the itunes software.

I know your a apple fan but what they did with the mp3 market really slowed innovation and hurt the mp3 market. (I think we all are, though i hate ipods they are garbage)

Here is a little blurb from one of the many antitrust cases against Apple "Apple's clear dominance in the digital music player, music, and video markets—90 percent, 83 percent, and 75 percent respectively, according to the complaint—make it clear that Apple has no interest in making its hardware or music compatible with competing technologies (most notably, Microsoft's). For example, AOL, Best Buy, FYE, MusicMatch, Napster, Yahoo! Music, and Virgin Digital all sell music in WMA format, whereas Apple "refuses" to do so, and also refuses to make its protected AAC files compatible with other players."

Also you prob want to review the sherman act http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sherman_Antitrust_Act#Monopoly

QUOTE(Kiko @ Oct 1 2008, 01:30 AM) *
sometimes i wonder if weaksauce is on the paycheck. and that interview is total bullshit. i never imagined anyone could make up more {censored} than me in one sitting. but i guess its true


LOL i wonder how big the check must be, he is stacked with equipment.
twitterfire
QUOTE(weaksauce12 @ Sep 25 2008, 09:30 PM) *
Although why not hook us up with a "Mac Pro Ultra" like this?

http://www.supermicro.com/products/motherb.../7300/X7QCE.cfm

haha tongue.gif


Along with 4 Xeon 7400 series, 100 GB DDR2 and 6 15000 RPM HDD in Raid0. tongue.gif

QUOTE(Maxintosh @ Oct 1 2008, 02:39 AM) *
Well let me see, FIRST they'd have to actually be a monopoly. LOL biggrin.gif


mo·nop·o·ly ~ A situation in which a single company owns all or nearly all of the market for a given type of product or service. This would happen in the case that there is a barrier to entry into the industry that allows the single company to operate without competition (for example, vast economies of scale, barriers to entry, or governmental regulation). In such an industry structure, the producer will often produce a volume that is less than the amount which would maximize social welfare.

PS. When you don't know the meaning of a word, use a dictionary.
Maxintosh
QUOTE(twitterfire @ Oct 3 2008, 07:25 AM) *
When you don't know the meaning of a word, use a dictionary.

I know the meaning of the word. When you don't know how to APPLY it, try using some common sense wink.gif

Apple sells Macs in the computer INDUSTRY. Apple does not prevent you from buying another type of computer or OS. Where is your proof that Apple is gaining a competitive advantage with the apps Apple includes? At less than 8% of the computer market they could never be a monopoly nor are they even remotely able to hold undo influence on the entire computer industry. According to your loose application of the definition, then Ford is a monopoly too because only they can make and sell Ford F-150's, Burger King is a monopoly because only they can make and sell Whoppers, Adobe because they make Acrobat PDF's and Victoria's Secret would have a monopoly on women's sexy undergarments. Try again.

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Apple has asked the court hearing its suit against Psystar to toss out Psystar's counterclaim that Apple is in fact a monopoly, arguing that Psystar's own arguments acknowledge that fact.
The motion to dismiss, filed on Sept. 30, argues that Apple can not be considered a monopoly, based in part upon ads that Psystar and others have run characterizing the Apple Macintosh line as just one product in a sea of PCs.

If this is true, Apple argued, then the company should not be compelled to assist its competition by allowing what are essentially Apple clones to be sold.

In August, Psystar charged Apple with restraint of trade, unfair competition and other violations of antitrust law in a 54-page complaint filed in the Northern California Division of the United States District Court. Apple originally filed suit in July after Psystar began selling its "Open Computer," which many considered to be an Apple clone.

In its counterclaim, Apple said that Psystar had undermined its own claim by citing Apple's campaign as evidence. "Purchasers have concluded Apple's Mac is better than Windows-based PCs," Apple said. "And, yes, as Psystar asserts, some Windows-based PCs are less expensive for that reason. But, that is the very essence of competition involving quality and price!"

"In direct contradiction to Psystar's claimed Mac-only market, Psystar admits that 'a seemingly infinite list of manufacturers may be found in the computer hardware system marketplace,'" Apple added.

Apple asked the court for the charges to be dismissed based upon those arguments. Any more, Apple argued, and the company would be forced to prop up a competitor.

"[T]he ultimate goal of Psystar's Counterclaims is an order from this Court compelling Apple to help competitors, like Psystar, by forcing Apple to license its proprietary software to those competitors for use on their own computer hardware," Apple argued. "Psystar's effort is contrary to law and must rejected. Neither the federal nor the state antitrust laws require competitors to stop competing with, and instead to start helping, each other."link
splits
haha, you guys kill me !!
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