Global Poll Shows Doubt About al-Qaida Role in 9/11 Attacks
By Kent Klein
Washington
10 September 2008

Seven years after terrorist attacks killed several thousand people in the United States, a new global public opinion poll shows that many people do not believe the attacks were the work of the al-Qaida terror network.

An independent U.S.-based group called World Public Opinion.org asked 16,000 people in 17 countries who they thought was responsible for the September 11, 2001 attacks on New York and Washington.

Majorities in only nine of the 17 countries believed that al-Qaida was behind the attacks, a finding that surprised World Public Opinion.org's director, Steven Kull.

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An average of 46 percent of the people polled in each country blames al-Qaida for the attacks. If not al-Qaida, then who? Kull says an average of 15 percent say the U.S. government plotted the attacks.

"In Turkey, 36 percent have this view, Turkey, one of our allies. Palestinian territories, 27 percent have this view. In Mexico, 30 percent have this view, and perhaps most surprising of all, in Germany, 23 percent have the view that the United States was behind the 9/11 attacks."

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"Broadly, I think what this tells us is that there is a lack of confidence in the United States around the world. It is striking that even among [US] allies, the numbers that say al-Qaida was behind 9/11 do not get above two-thirds, and barely become a majority. So this is a real indication that the United States is not in a strong position to, in a sense, tell its story. The American narrative is not as powerful in the world today."

http://www.voanews.com/english/2008-09-10-voa59.cfm

No doubt, many in the world don't trust the US. Some of that mistrust is well placed.

With that said, I wonder if polls taken in Palestine, Turkey & Germany would support the "view" that 6 million Jews were slaughtered in the holocaust.

Can someone shut this nut case conspiracy theorist down? This is totally off topic and doesn't belong here and its not the first time hes done this. There are many other sites out there to cater for people like Bofors. No need to pollute this site with his usual crap.

No doubt , many in the world do trust the US.some of that trust is well placed



Well IMO this comparison it's not so well suited

More Data from the 9/11 Poll:

Fifty-six percent of Britons and Italians, 63 percent of French and 64 percent of Germans cite al Qaeda. However, significant portions of Britons (26%), French (23%), and Italians (21%) say they do not know who was behind 9/11. Remarkably, 23 percent of Germans cite the US government, as do 15 percent of Italians.

Publics in the Middle East are especially likely to name a perpetrator other than al Qaeda. In Egypt 43 percent say that Israel was behind the attacks, as do 31 percent in Jordan and 19 percent in the Palestinian Territories. The US government is named by 36 percent of Turks and 27 percent of Palestinians. The numbers who say al Qaeda was behind the attacks range from 11 percent in Jordan to 42 percent in the Palestinian Territories.

The only countries with overwhelming majorities citing al Qaeda are the African countries: Kenya (77%) and Nigeria (71%). In Nigeria, a large majority of Muslims (64%) also say that al Qaeda was behind the attacks (compared to 79% of Nigerian Christians).

The poll of 16,063 respondents was conducted between July 15 and August 31, 2008 by WorldPublicOpinion.org, a collaborative research project involving research centers from around the world and managed by the Program on International Policy Attitudes (PIPA) at the University of Maryland. Margins of error range from +/-3 to 4 percent.

Interviews were conducted in 17 nations, including most of the largest nations--China, Indonesia, Nigeria, and Russia--as well as Egypt, France, Germany, Great Britain, Italy, Jordan, Kenya, Mexico, the Palestinian Territories, South Korea, Taiwan, Turkey, and the Ukraine.

Respondents in Asia have mixed responses. Bare majorities in Taiwan (53%) and South Korea (51%) name al Qaeda, but 17 percent of South Koreans point to the US government and large numbers in both countries say they do not know (Taiwan 34%, South Korea 22%).

Majorities of Chinese (56%) and Indonesians (57%) say they do not know, with significant minorities citing the US government (Indonesia 14%, China 9%).

A clear majority of Russians (57%) and a plurality of Ukrainians (42%) say al Qaeda was behind the attacks. But significant minorities identify the US government (15% in both cases) and large numbers do not provide an answer (Ukrainians 39%, Russians 19%).

Out of all countries polled, Mexico has the second-largest number citing the US government as the perpetrator of 9/11 (30%, after Turkey at 36%). Only 33 percent name al Qaeda.

http://www.worldpublicopinion.org/pipa/art...pnt=535&lb=

last month showed how well USA TV can lie together about anything, that's sad

The US government is the number one hated government in turkey. the US gov is mentioned in almost all conspiracy theories over there. hood event, exploiting turkey, the current turkish gov being dependent of the US.

I dont think like them but there are some true points in my opinion.

It sounds like there's a specific and huge event that you're referring to here, but I can't imagine what it could be. Maybe because the Olympics have overshadowed all of August's news in my mind. Could you tell me what you mean?

Is there anyway this crap could be kept in the place it belongs... the trash ca... er... The Big Issues or Thunderdome subforums.

95% of this forum does not want to see this crap...

Descalzo, go watch "They Live" if you do not see how the media works yet.

Moved.

This is stupid.

Let's remember those who lost their lives and the families who have to deal with the loss of their loved ones forever!

I love my country (USA) and there is nowhere else I would rather live!

I´m from germany and I don´t have any doubts that Al-Qaida was involved in that what happened 9/11.

a lot of people I talk to, here in europe,even don´t want to visit the US.they don´t want to travel to george bush´s america. I love to travel to the states and can´t stop telling them about the beauty of this country and that the half of the us citizens didn´t vote for bush(and probably more).that can´t change their mind.

a country that has a methodist marionette like bush and is ruled by mr.halliburton cheney in the backoffice can´t have credibility - europeans don´t trust america!
that is where this result is from (if this poll is correct) - not from any knowledge about 9/11 .

hopefully you will not bring a creationist like palin to power,because this would give one more reason for distruct and depart the states from the rest of the world.

A recent poll of aquanutz shows no doubt that this topic is absolutely f'ing retarded.

If you have doubt that Al-Qaeda was the master mind behind 9/11, you need to have your head examined.

I have seen "They Live." But it sounded like netkas had something specific in mind.

quiet surprising, thats right.

but only the fact that a fourth of my fellow countrymen think they know who was behind the attacks. i don't belief in the terrorist theory either but i don't know who is responsible and i don'T want to guess. maybe time will show us maybe not.



it is correct that there is some anti americanism in our countrie, who wonders, we are involved in a war in afghanistan we are not responsible for and would have been nearly taken part in the irak desaster. i guess we have a bigger problem with war than the americans have, we have seen our country bombed and destroyed.

we have also been called absolutly unimportant, this is neither true nor nice and still our governement obeys everything america wants. sir, yes sir.

don't get me wrong, i have no problem with americans, not more then with people in general, i just dislike how american gov threates the world like they would own it.

and surely no one here denies the holocaust (would even get you into jail), even my father wasn'T born as this happend (if you can say that such things happen) i'm ashamed of it, such a cruelty isn't imagineable by human standards, if have seen ausschwitz with my one eyes and still can't get it in my mind that people are able to do such an organised massacre.



btw i'm jealous of the american landscape

guess he had.

even some of our media tried to fake the reality of the conflict with georgia.

oh and {censored} our politicans, georgia into the nato? they must be drunken mad messing with russia for no reason

I wouldn't say that the U.S government was behind this attack, but perhaps some U.S big names could be associated with the attack.

not a goverment but some group maybe, controlled by few members of bush administration, US gov. so needed to invade into Afganistan and iraq, so it was needing a reason.

that's just a guess.

Straight to the point.

Amen!

I don't consider myself intellectually exceptional but from my perspective, most people in this world are dumb... dumb because they're either misinformed or dumb because they never developed an acceptable ability to think analytically. The only thing these polls tell me is that my fellow Americans don't corner the dumb market and that rational thinkers are less common than one would have hoped.

And to think the Information Age had such promise....

Oh well... people are people and always will be.

Oh! The media event netkas spoke of was the invasion of Georgia/South Ossetia!
I feel dumb now.
*palm-forehead*

It's been how many years now?

The towers weren't blow up with explosives.

Get over it.

You stupid little fool, this not a joke, people are dying over this... STFU.


9/11 was an INSIDE JOB!

- 474+ Credentialed architectural and engineering professionals certify that the World Trade Center (WTC) was destroyed in a controlled demolition:
http://www.ae911truth.org/

- World Trade Center Building 7 (WTC7) was obviously demolished:
http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=3898962504721899003
http://www.wtc7.net/

- The owner of the World Trade Center admited that it was demolished on purpose:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7WYdAJQV100

- The US National Institute of Standards and Technology (NIST) is lying about the molten metal evidence of demolition:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lihj-Kz9wjY

- US State Dept. officials admit that they were ordered to issue visas to terrorists:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zgYFo79q1Ek

- US Secretary of Transportation Norman Mineta testified that Dick Cheney ordered that the Pentagon be undefended:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bDfdOwt2v3Y

- US Military Intelligence knew all about Mohammed Atta:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fsM3oCsEJOE

- The Bush-Cheney regime lied about Iraq:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OgfzqulvhlQ



Learn the Truth about 9/11.
Watch "Loose Change":
http:video.google.com/videoplay?docid=7866929448192753501



Can you identify FALSE FLAG terrorism?
Watch "TerrorStorm":
video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-8136133221213939183



http://911truth.org
http://911blogger.com
http://911review.com/
http://infowars.com



This is the latest 9/11 poll in Finland.

- "al-Qaeda": 44%

- US government: 37%

- Israel: 5%

- Don't know: 13%

http://www.uusisuomi.fi/kysely/kenen-uskot...a#comment-83552

My sentiments exactly but then here you are.

This is a free country. You are welcomed to your arm chair expertise and fringe conspiracy theories.

The greatest engineering minds of our age and innumerable students under the tutelage of our greatest universities have examined this EXTREMELY popular topic to great length. Their conclusions?

"Lex parsimoniae: entia non sunt multiplicanda praeter necessitatem", or "Law of parsimony: entities must not be multiplied beyond necessity".

This is often paraphrased as "All things being equal, the simplest solution is the best." This would imply that when multiple competing theories are equal in respect, selecting the theory that introduces the fewest assumptions and postulates the fewest entities is correct. You should recognize this as Occam's Razor. It's been a critical element of the scientific method for at least six centuries now.

I can appreciate that their findings aren't as sensational as yours and for those intent on proving their point, they are deeply disappointing, to say the least. As unsettling as I find your misguided crusade, I am sure those who's work it is to answer such disputes welcomes your participation in the process.

I am sure you think those with the professional expertise to know "better" but do not ally themselves to your position must surely be part of some immense global conspiracy to thwart truth and justice. While I am not naive enough to believe there aren't conspiracies, however, this one would prove to be the most expansive and successful the world has ever seen!

The fact that the masses are seduced by such arguments doesn't move me in the least. Perhaps they should return to their daytime dramas and sitcoms to which they are better suited.

There are three kinds of lies: lies, damned lies, and statistics.

Bear in mind this poll was done on the internet, which are often, if not always inaccurate.
See a perfect example here:
http://forum.insanelymac.com/index.php?showtopic=117202

>Learn the Truth about 9/11.
>Watch "Loose Change":
>http:video.google.com/videoplay?docid=7866929448192753501

just watched it, and i think everyone needs to watch it and make own conclusions..

It's quite interesting. It's a very polished, thoughtful and well organized presentation. I do, however, find it highly disappointing they would gloss over, misconstrue, and blatantly ignore several key points of actual evidence in favor of a rather painfully circumstantial construct.

Our desire to want something to be true can not make it so. The human condition makes an absolutely bias free interpretation of data impossible but we have learned a thing or two over the centuries of scientific discovery in mitigating the effect as best we can. The 9/11 conspiracists need to do a much better job in this regard.

I think OJ killed Tupac...and Biggie

Sorry I just wanted to interject something extremely asinine.

Seriously, you can take any information surrounded by theory, myth, or lack of facts and twist and turn it any way you want. I cannot believe so many people think the US Govt would be behind so many bad things. It's nonsense. Sure the government is not perfect, but I do not for a second believe something like 9/11 terrorist attacks would be staged in this way.

So true, in Germany only about 99.9% would support that view. Where have you been the past 60 years, man?!?

I've watched it a couple of times, and it is very interesting, and raises a few interesting points.
But overall, the argument is flawed and mainly just circumstantial evidence and wild speculation.

Let's STAY ON TOPIC... (while I go off)

The polls are interesting but it is likely that some of the results are the way they are because of general distrust of the current US Administration. I mean the US sidelined Europe and stormed right into Iraq. As a result many Europeans don't look at the US vary favourably. So I'm sure we're seeing some/a lot of that here in the stats.

Also I don't know about anyone else, but the fact that I've just been told it was Al-Qaida without actually much proof being shown makes me wonder. It isn't enough to make me think it was the US Goverment. But it does make one think. Finally didn't one of the hijackers supposedly went into a bar for a few drinks or something the night before? Not exactly the actions you'd expect from a supposed wanabe martyr expecting to recieve 72 virgins when his intoxicated soul reaches God.

Anyway, interesting anyhow.

Blah Blah Blah.

Actually you're right. Shot myself in the foot there I'll admit. But it's just something I'd been wondering a while and though I'd throw it in.

How about we try and stay on topic as much as possible

OK, here's some on-topic input:

I find these global polls to be quite interesting. But to take them as evidence for who did it is very foolish.

The lastest 9/11 poll in Germany by Heise:
http://www.heise.de/tp/r4/umfrage/ergebnis.shtml



- bin Laden & "al-Qaeda": 12%

- US government: 58%

- Saudi Arabia: 1%

- Other: 2%

- It doesn't mattter... 17%

- Who cares, it's past. 1%

- Don't know, anything is possible 9%




What a dumb thing to say. Of course, polls are not evidence.

I find the shear stupidity of people in this forum just amazing.

It is a wonder that you can even manage to operate a computer, so I certainly don't expect you understand the truth about 9/11.



Excuse me? What are you talking about? Who are these "[great] engineering minds"?

Please post some links (or STFU!).



This is a telling quote. A perfect example of how brain-washed the American public is. It goes beyond merely denying that US government staged 9/11, it seeks to deny the poll results themselves.

Essentially, this guy is saying: "I cannot believe [what is true]".

**warning- opinion to follow***
**disclaimer - I do not intend this to be offensive or targeted to any person directly.**

No essentially what I am saying is..."I don't buy into bullshit conspiracy theory. I have no reason to not trust the government"
I don't base what I believe on some youtube crap, or global polls. Global polls are rediculous because they aren't effected by what they are polling.

Let me see ... um I am going to blame the government for bad things that happen, that way I can validate (to myself) that all the bad things that happen to ME are not MY fault, they are a result of a government who is trying to keep me down. Here are a few more examples in case you do not understand what I am saying a second time.

I beat my wife and kids BECAUSE my father beat me...in REALITY it is because I have no moral fiber.
I steal and rob people BECAUSE I am owed something...in REALITY it is because I am lazy.
I smoke crack and live a life of a degenerate BECAUSE I was poor growing up and never had a chance...in REALITY it is because I have no ambition.

I was referring to your post #23, in which you cited lots of websites containing evidence, then included the poll at the end of the list, without any sort of segue between what you presented as evidence and the poll results. That's why I mentioned it: it looked like you were citing polls as some sort of evidence.

I am glad to discover that you agree with me that polls are not evidence.

That is a profoundly naive statement to make.

Have you even bothered to watch this?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OgfzqulvhlQ

(The Bush-Cheney regime lied about Iraq.)



If you want to talk about the evidence that 9/11 was staged by the US government, I am more than happy to go through it with you.

World Trade Center (WTC) Building 7 is the "smoking gun" of 9/11: http://www.wtc7.net/

Anybody with a half-a-brain should be able to see that WTC 7 was demolished in a controlled demolition:



If you can't figure that out after watching this, I suggest you go back to playing with blocks:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Zv7BImVvEyk

Oh great, you set him off

I guess someone has to fill the void JohnTheSavage left...

Dude...

This is exactly what I was talking about several posts back. Does it look suspicious? Absolutely! But IS it suspicious? That is the real question! And honestly! What is this analogy regarding the outer appearance of an orange and the engineering of a 47 story modern high rise really saying? If our species took everything at face value, we'd still be swinging from the trees!

After the disaster, a virtual corps of engineers descended on the WTC. The details... and I am not just talking about the rate and angle of collapse caught on video... have been disseminated far and wide. Universities, architectural and engineering firms in both the private and public sectors in every conceivable corner of the globe have a stake in finding out exactly what happened. Their entire profession depends on it! They have painstakingly examined the mountain of data collected. They have also enthusiastically debated the findings of FEMA, the National Institute of Standards and Technology (NIST), the Structural Engineering Institute of the American Society of Civil Engineers (SEI/ASCE), the Society of Fire Protection Engineers (SFPE), the National Fire Protection Association (NFPA), the American Institute of Steel Construction (AISC), the Council on Tall Buildings and Urban Habitat (CTBUH), and the Structural Engineers Association of New York (SEAoNY), and many many others. Engineering is not a stagnant science! This tragedy provided a windfall of new and unexpected data that has advanced our understanding TREMENDOUSLY... all the while those standing on the sidelines have pointed fingers and speculated using what little fact they really understood.

Excuse me if I laugh here.

So what you are saying is that I can take time out between Guitar Hero III and my late night run for a Beto's Bean & Cheese, read a few blurbs, watch a few videos and see the truth? That same truth that alludes the tens of thousands of professionals and students who are either directly or indirectly involved in its discovery, invested millions of man hours, have a vested financial interest AND possess both the skill and education required for such a task? Wow! I must be a freaking genius!

It is also my understanding that the 474 credentialed architectural and engineering professionals referred to only signed a petition demanding Congress conduct a truly independent investigation. Sounds reasonable to me. They did not "certify that the World Trade Center (WTC) was destroyed in a controlled demolition." They also don't claim to have reviewed any of the published studies in detail. No doubt some have... but how many is that really out of the tens upon thousands worldwide who have?

If this isn't enough... It's amazing our bloated, corrupt, self-serving, greedy, and need I say GRIDLOCKED, government has managed to pull off the biggest, most complex, and yet oddly successful conspiracy the human race has EVER had the misfortune to experience. Not only have they managed to put a lid on everyone under their control but they have skillfully managed 99.9% of those outside their sphere of influence as well. JESUS H. CHRIST! THEY ARE GOOD! So why does everything else they attempt turn to ?

The conspiracy theorists are welcomed to their opinion. They are also welcomed to sell their point of view to anyone who will listen. By these polls, I would say their cutesy videos and sound bytes are well tailored to their demographic. But I am also welcomed to tell the rational and sane not to buy their sales pitch too quickly. Both the science and logic in their assertions are severely lacking!

I don't know why you even brought that up? For one thing, only 5900 people (as of now) people have voted for this poll. And you ever stopped to think that the people that believe in conspiracy theories are the same people that visit these obscure German websites so they can vote in a poll that makes them think that there are other Germans that believe conspiracy theories and maybe they should do something about it?



Now that is where it's at! You just hit the nail on the head, my friend. I don't think that anyone could not have said it any better than you just did.

Exactly!
Bofors, you give the US government too much credit.

People with whole brains are also skeptical of the conspiracy theories.

Russian Poll: 84% Say Truth About 9/11 Being Deliberately Hidden

Steve Watson
Infowars.net
September 12, 2008

A new poll from a major Russian news outlet reveals that 84% believe that the truth behind the 9/11 attacks is being deliberately hidden by the U.S. government.

At time of writing, the poll on the Russia Today website indicates that only 16% of readers feel that the 9/11 Commission report represents the full extent of the evidence as to who carried out the attacks over seven years ago.

The 84% figure mirrors almost exactly that of similar polls conducted in 2006 and 2004.

http://www.infowars.com/?p=4500

I am pretty impressed,because the Germans and the Russians watched a movie, "ZERO" by a respected Italian journalist and politician, Member of the European Parliament:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Giulietto_Chiesa

The movie was introduced, among others, by Gore Vidal and Nobel Prize winner Dario Fo:

http://portland.indymedia.org/en/2008/09/379442.shtml

Key Witness to WTC 7 Explosions Dead at 53

Emergency coordinator and 9/11 witness Barry Jennings has passed away with controversy about WTC7 still hot– as the BBC hit piece and NIST report have been released to counter Jennings’ exclusive testimony of explosions inside Building 7

Aaron Dykes - Infowars.com - September 16, 2008

Barry Jennings, a key 9/11 eyewitness who was an emergency coordinator for the New York Housing Authority, has passed away at age 53 from circumstances not yet disclosed. A spokesperson for the Housing Authority has now confirmed his death, after weeks of rumors circulating online, but refused to give any further details.

This office has not yet been able to contact anyone in the Jennings family and the official cause of death is not yet known, but online comments have reported the date of death as August 19, 2008.

It is very unusual that a prominent — and controversial– 9/11 witness would die only days before the release of NIST’s report on WTC7 and shortly after a firestorm erupted over his testimony that he heard EXPLOSIONS inside the building prior to collapse of either tower and that there were DEAD BODIES in the building’s BLOWN-OUT lobby.

...

Barry Jennings reiterated in the exclusive interview his confusion over the explanation for WTC7’s collapse– given that he clearly heard explosions inside the building:

“I’m just confused about one thing, and one thing only– why World Trade Center 7 went down in the first place. I’m very confused about that. I know what I heard– I heard explosions. ..."


...Mr. Jennings, who had received numerous threats to his job and asked that it be left out of Loose Change: Final Cut because of those threats.

http://www.infowars.com/?p=4602

And that very link is enough to discredit your entire post

wouldn't it be funny if infowars really was the only credible news source?

Yes, quite funny indeed, so funny in fact, I doubt it would ever be true!

The "truth" about 9/11 that was (poorly) "hidden" was the incompetence of the Bush administration to adequately deal with the intelligence given to them leading up to attacks.

Were the intelligence reports intentionally ignored? Probably not -- this is not the type of thoughtful planning the reactionary Bush administration is capable of.

Was the aftermath of their failures seized upon and spun to gain political control and profit for friends of the administration? Yes. This is the type of greedy carcass picking and blatant deceit the administration is known for -- the ability to surf their tsunami of incompetence, at the expense of their country.

In short, you are confusing careful planning and orchestration with incompetence and exploitation.