qbattersby
Sep 10 2008, 11:25 PM
Well today I had a nicely packaged FedEx parcel arrive at my door. Low and behold the EFIX V1. Right now are just some shots of the device itself, I will have testing underway as soon as possible and report back to everyone.
What came included in the package was the device itself and a 10-1 internal USB extension cable nicely branded with the EFIX logo.
Currently the device supports the following motherboards listed here:
Gigabyte GA-P35-DS3P (rev. 2.0)
Gigabyte GA-P35-DS3R
Gigabyte GA-P35-DS3L
Gigabyte GA-EP35-DS3P (rev. 2.1)
Gigabyte GA-EP35-DS3L (rev. 1.0)
Gigabyte GA-EP45-DS3
Gigabyte GA-EP45-DS3R
Gigabyte GA-EP45-DS4 (rev. 1.0)
Gigabyte GA-EP45-DS4P
Gigabyte GA-EP45-DQ6
Gigabyte GA-G33M-DS2R [External Graphics Card is required]
Intel D945GCLF (ATOM CPU) [Only with EFiX™ Deluxe, EFiX™ Ultimate
or any compatible external SoundCard]
To view the other officially supported devices please follow this link:
EFIX Hardware Compatibility ListI only have so many motherboards to test the device on myself, if you have any spare hardware around I would be glad to take it and test it with the device. That way I can provide the community with the most information possible.
If you have any questions please ask them here and do not message me directly.
[EDIT] I have officially tested the device with one of my motherboards "MSI G965M" and the device will not even boot, I still have a Gigabyte and Asus board to still test. I will post back as soon as possible. I would have provided a video of the failed test but it is kinda irrelevant since nothing happened, just flashing cursor. [EDIT]


amantheboy
Sep 10 2008, 11:51 PM
nice job how are you liking it
maclancer
Sep 10 2008, 11:52 PM
I have the P35 DS3L, so my mobo is supported, how do this device work? Please let us know the performance and if you found something that does not work properly, thanks!
kinkster
Sep 10 2008, 11:53 PM
I hate this thing.
macmaniac
Sep 10 2008, 11:57 PM
When is Apple Legal going after EFI-X?
qbattersby
Sep 11 2008, 12:05 AM
amantheboy> haven't had a chance to test it yet.
The device is plugged into your onboard USB 10-1 pin port. And allows you to boot Mac OSX retail.
Boot Camp
Sep 11 2008, 12:09 AM
QUOTE(kinkster @ Sep 10 2008, 06:53 PM)

I hate this thing.
Same.
qbattersby
Sep 11 2008, 12:27 AM
Why do you hate it? Not sure I understand?
maclancer
Sep 11 2008, 12:43 AM
QUOTE(qbattersby @ Sep 10 2008, 08:27 PM)

Why do you hate it? Not sure I understand?
Well basically what this device do if the same workaround that was developed by OSX86 developers, they are the fathers of the OSX86 community and the people behind EFIX stoled the work of these developers.
amantheboy
Sep 11 2008, 12:51 AM
QUOTE(maclancer @ Sep 10 2008, 05:43 PM)

Well basically what this device do if the same workaround that was developed by OSX86 developers, they are the fathers of the OSX86 community and the people behind EFIX stoled the work of these developers.
NO!!!! this is all made from scratch, not one thing used they develope there own drivers themselves BUY! one and search the whole device! there is not one single file that was stolen from this Community!
np_
Sep 11 2008, 12:55 AM
today i just got my EFiX,
them site state it will work only with "Gigabyte" but why i did not believe it ...
i just go ahead and plug it in my Asus P5W DH Deluxe,
the test ...
on existing OSX - boot like charm
on existing Windoze "Vista" - boot like charm
but i decide to go more far , so i put my retail leopard DVD and booted from it ....
few second after voila OSX ready to install ahahah
i can confirm it work perfectly on my Asus mobo
latter i will post picture of device/box/cable - cute thing TM
ps: since some one post pictures of it already maybe i will skip that part
np_
amantheboy
Sep 11 2008, 12:58 AM
woohoo more people
3D mn
Sep 11 2008, 01:09 AM
I really like its Bootloader
JaE-V
Sep 11 2008, 01:18 AM
Lol so what the hell is this and why do i need it? *goes to google*
qbattersby
Sep 11 2008, 01:22 AM
It prevents you from having to do all of this>
Kalyway10.5.2+Mysticus 10.5.3+Mysticus 10.5.4 All vanilla and stock. NVinject for gfx.
Just plug and play pretty well.
FrankOS_Scripting
Sep 11 2008, 01:23 AM
If you can give good arguments to convince myself, I will buy it. Somehow, I find it interesting but it still they used partially or in integrality the OSx86 community work (by this way I mean kext, bootloader, source code [modified] etc.)
Share your experience
JaE-V
Sep 11 2008, 01:24 AM
QUOTE(qbattersby @ Sep 10 2008, 08:22 PM)

It prevents you from having to do all of this>
Kalyway10.5.2+Mysticus 10.5.3+Mysticus 10.5.4 All vanilla and stock. NVinject for gfx.
Just plug and play pretty well.
Sweetness! I'm definitely ready to purchase once it hits the US. How much is it gonna run us?
BigPimpin
Sep 11 2008, 01:36 AM
QUOTE(kinkster @ Sep 10 2008, 07:53 PM)

I hate this thing.
Nobody's forcing you to buy one.
amantheboy
Sep 11 2008, 01:40 AM
QUOTE(JaE-V @ Sep 10 2008, 06:24 PM)

Sweetness! I'm definitely ready to purchase once it hits the US. How much is it gonna run us?
soon to be out in US
BigPimpin
Sep 11 2008, 01:41 AM
QUOTE(macmaniac @ Sep 10 2008, 07:57 PM)

When is Apple Legal going after EFI-X?

They're beyond the reach of the US legal system for now. I bet anyone who gets one in the US gets a plain brown paper wrapper.
amantheboy
Sep 11 2008, 01:41 AM
QUOTE(FrankOS_Scripting @ Sep 10 2008, 06:23 PM)

If you can give good arguments to convince myself, I will buy it. Somehow, I find it interesting but it still they used partially or in integrality the OSx86 community work (by this way I mean kext, bootloader, source code [modified] etc.)
Share your experience

- Sure... My expirience is OSX is sux
everything else is beyound OSX community
np_
Sep 11 2008, 01:42 AM
QUOTE(FrankOS_Scripting @ Sep 10 2008, 10:23 PM)

Share your experience

Sure... My expirience is OSX is sux

everything else is beyound OSX community
- that true
convince - > no more "torrent" ( wait 4 days ) , look for stupid injectors , reboot and reboot and reboot till your machine start to cry
if this not convince you no idea what else will ....
maclancer
Sep 11 2008, 01:44 AM
Wondering if they are going to develop the internal PCI-e EFIX, what do you think guys? it will not be interesting? than have that ridiculous USB hardware to install Leopard
FrankOS_Scripting
Sep 11 2008, 01:45 AM
QUOTE(np_ @ Sep 10 2008, 09:42 PM)

Sure... My expirience is OSX is sux
everything else is beyound OSX community
Thanks... Nobody can convince me?!
Happy to see you flame my quote guys
np_
Sep 11 2008, 01:47 AM
no "copy&paste" push wrong button error - > blame apple keyboard for that
amantheboy
Sep 11 2008, 01:48 AM
Sure... My expirience is OSX is sux
everything else is beyound OSX community
- that true
convince - > no more "torrent" ( wait 4 days ) , look for stupid injectors , reboot and reboot and reboot till your machine start to cry
if this not convince you no idea what else will ...
np_
Sep 11 2008, 01:52 AM
wtf !
they "amantheboy" stop that !
3D mn
Sep 11 2008, 01:52 AM
Does anyone knows how EFIX works ?
JaE-V
Sep 11 2008, 02:02 AM
QUOTE(BigPimpin @ Sep 10 2008, 08:41 PM)

They're beyond the reach of the US legal system for now. I bet anyone who gets one in the US gets a plain brown paper wrapper.
lmaooo
Fernicus
Sep 11 2008, 02:10 AM
Man, I'd love to read some serious information on how this thing works, maybe some pics of booting process. What do you happy owners think of this?
Thanks a lot.
coolied
Sep 11 2008, 02:15 AM
QUOTE(BigPimpin @ Sep 10 2008, 09:41 PM)

They're beyond the reach of the US legal system for now. I bet anyone who gets one in the US gets a plain brown paper wrapper.
I'm not even sure how a USB EFI chip is illegal in the first place? And since no one seems to know exactly how this thing works, it's possible that everything it does, it does in a manner than absolutely none of the code is illegal. None of this is going to affect the OSX86 community one way or another, we do it for the fun and the challenge, not having everything work OOB is half the fun - EFIX is NOT for us. Despite anyone that says different, all this thing is going to do is sell more copies of Leopard. The average person who buys an Apple system does so due to the design just as much as the OS, and alot of people who buy Mac for the simplicity would be too intimidated to crack the side panel of a PC and install EFIX anyways. The average person who is going to use EFIX is going to be a person that otherwise would just run Windows anyways, so Apple might as well make an OS sale versus Microsoft.
JaE-V
Sep 11 2008, 02:15 AM
QUOTE(Fernicus @ Sep 10 2008, 09:10 PM)

Man, I'd love to read some serious information on how this thing works, maybe some pics of booting process. What do you happy owners think of this?
Thanks a lot.
check out the website efi-x.com
Fernicus
Sep 11 2008, 02:20 AM
QUOTE(JaE-V @ Sep 11 2008, 02:15 AM)

check out the website efi-x.com
Already did it (many times), and couldn't find neither info on how it works (for real) nor pics of the booting process. Have
you ever checked the site?
3D mn
Sep 11 2008, 02:22 AM
QUOTE(coolied @ Sep 11 2008, 04:15 AM)

I'm not even sure how a USB EFI chip is illegal in the first place? And since no one seems to know exactly how this thing works, it's possible that everything it does, it does in a manner than absolutely none of the code is illegal. None of this is going to affect the OSX86 community one way or another, we do it for the fun and the challenge, not having everything work OOB is half the fun - EFIX is NOT for us. Despite anyone that says different, all this thing is going to do is sell more copies of Leopard. The average person who buys an Apple system does so due to the design just as much as the OS, and alot of people who buy Mac for the simplicity would be too intimidated to crack the side panel of a PC and install EFIX anyways. The average person who is going to use EFIX is going to be a person that otherwise would just run Windows anyways, so Apple might as well make an OS sale versus Microsoft.
I'm 100% with you
I like mac on PC because It's fun that you patch it and you feel that you made something but with EFIX you'll be like a Windows user.
kdb424
Sep 11 2008, 03:09 AM
I may look into one of these for the same reason that I checked out OSx86. Learning. That's all. Anyone ever try that without bashing it first? It's actually a really nice thing. Just like Psystar. At least they try to help those that are not adventurous enough to try this. And it allows no torrents, no cracks, and seams pretty easy. And it's fully legal. All it does as far as I can tell is runs EFI. Macs run a similar thing only reverse. Anyone ever run Windows or Linux on an Apple computer? That's legal! If this helps people stop being Microsoft slaves, then I support it. That's just my take. Please be more open-minded like the people that started this community. It's all about trying new things, and making Mac run on PC's. The way it has been done changed a TON from the original community. Why are we bashing this? Because it is different than you are used to, or because you like they way that you do it? Don't be like Windows lovers that won't leave windows. That's who you are. Those people that hate change, and think that their way is the best. I understand that people work hard on these custom disks, and workarounds but that's not the only way to think. Please stop bashing this. Bash me if you want to. I don't care, but be more open-minded.
TorqueX86
Sep 11 2008, 03:10 AM
I really don't understand all this hate and fuss.
- EFIX isnt stealing any code from the community. They have their own developer team made of professionals.
- EFIX is not illegal. They don't sell the module installed on ready-made PC, thus not infringing the right of Apple to sell computers with OSX. Plus, it's clearly addressed to those people who would NOT buy a mac: overclockers, gamers, modders, hardcore developers, people who need special hardware configurations.
What really shocks me is this reprisal from the community feeling offended and left out that there is a legal and commercial product now out there.
When we eat a pizza do we go pay the royalties to the descendants of the neapolitan fisherman that invented it 600 years ago? When we eat swedish meatballs do we go pay the royalties to the family of the viking that invented them a millenium ago?
As long as they use their own code, and they do, the community has nothing to feel offended about. EFI-X has its own CPU and its own drivers and set of instructions. All the code in it has nothign to do with the darwin-derived code used in OSX86.
pitap
Sep 11 2008, 03:12 AM
Meh, doesn't hurt to have something that works going around... as long as apple doesn't go against it..
chevy2410
Sep 11 2008, 03:14 AM
Does anyone know how much this thing is?
Chevy
qbattersby
Sep 11 2008, 03:18 AM
As for getting some serious information I am working on that. I will be testing the device over the next couple days and have video/pictures of the booting process and everything else. Currently what I can tell you is that the device is installed internally (to the 10-1 USB interface), and it is different than the "code" (for lack of better word) developed by the OSX86 community, my understanding is it was likely derived from the concept of OSX86 however everything was created by the EFIX team rather than piecing together others' work.
Simply put you install the device, pop in the retail Leopard DVD and you are on your way with little fuss. There is a "bootscreen" which allows you choose what to boot (ie. DVD, OSX, Firmware, etc.), I will have more solid information shortly. I have actually seen the creator of this device install Leopard retail with the device and it worked flawlessly. There are many other benefits I will go into as well in the future - one key benefit is that they Leopard install is individual to the EFIX device, whereas when using a Kalaway or JaS install it all uses the same serial number where EFIX does not. Also the device receives Firmware updates to ensure it works with new updates to Leopard or prevents an update so it doesn't destroy your install which we all have experienced here.
Please stay tuned for more detailed information.
TorqueX86
Sep 11 2008, 03:28 AM
QUOTE(pitap @ Sep 11 2008, 05:12 AM)

Meh, doesn't hurt to have something that works going around... as long as apple doesn't go against it..
They *don't want* to go against Apple. Rather than that, fill the market niche that Apple has left out. As long as it's legal, as long as nobody damages anybody, there is no problem whatsoever, the market is big and who has new ideas is free to propose them and get the benefits of it as long as it's done int he total respect of the others, and that's the case of EFIX.
alamoa
Sep 11 2008, 03:38 AM
That is innovation, that will not end insanely, that will make life easier for people unable to copy and paste a line of code. We should salute its coming. You cannot stole something that was created by the community as long as anything created here is free for anyone to use. I can tell a lot of my friends now "buy it" and it will save me several hours of installing and supporting other peoples computers.
nama2g
Sep 11 2008, 03:51 AM
SERIOUSLY guys we information starved here. these guys have no reseller info or online order links. or even product specs. i want 2 of the se bad boys asap. to the thread author, how did you get it. i want one, one much? plz. no o can edit with peace of mind
kingdom1
Sep 11 2008, 03:51 AM
One person said it worked with an asus board. What about my p5k?
MjP99
Sep 11 2008, 04:17 AM
I liked it better when I saw it the first time and it was called a Boot-132 usb drive...
Doesn't this do exactly the same thing with a cool graphical boot-up screen? With the right hardware, Boot-132 will allow full retail installation.
M
nama2g
Sep 11 2008, 04:30 AM
this is better as it has efi drivers for supported hardware, where as dfe was only an option to load kexts before the os starts loading.. so with this if you used a recommended baord and gpu. no addon kexts, no special procedures after system updates. thats just my understanding...
QUOTE(MjP99 @ Sep 11 2008, 12:17 AM)

I liked it better when I saw it the first time and it was called a Boot-132 usb drive...
Doesn't this do exactly the same thing with a cool graphical boot-up screen? With the right hardware, Boot-132 will allow full retail installation.
M
thefinalprophecy
Sep 11 2008, 05:02 AM
And for the record, this [concept] came before Boot-123, they just hadn't been able to ship it until recently. This looks like a really interesting device although I do not think I will be able to afford one in the long run.
MjP99
Sep 11 2008, 05:33 AM
I guess I just don't fully get it, so forgive me...
If you have to buy supported hardware for Efix and then use it to boot retail...
why wouldn't you just buy hardware that works out of the box with OS X and use Boot-132 to boot retail? There is plenty of hardware that works right out of the box for you to piece together an amazingly fast system AND install from the retail DVD without fear of upgrades. I used my retail DVD to install to 10.5.0 and did the combo upgrade to 10.5.4 without a hitch using Boot-132.
Again, perhaps I am just not getting the full significance of the EFI drivers.
M
amantheboy
Sep 11 2008, 05:40 AM
QUOTE(TorqueX86 @ Sep 10 2008, 08:10 PM)

I really don't understand all this hate and fuss.
- EFIX isnt stealing any code from the community. They have their own developer team made of professionals.
- EFIX is not illegal. They don't sell the module installed on ready-made PC, thus not infringing the right of Apple to sell computers with OSX. Plus, it's clearly addressed to those people who would NOT buy a mac: overclockers, gamers, modders, hardcore developers, people who need special hardware configurations.
What really shocks me is this reprisal from the community feeling offended and left out that there is a legal and commercial product now out there.
When we eat a pizza do we go pay the royalties to the descendants of the neapolitan fisherman that invented it 600 years ago? When we eat swedish meatballs do we go pay the royalties to the family of the viking that invented them a millenium ago?
As long as they use their own code, and they do, the community has nothing to feel offended about. EFI-X has its own CPU and its own drivers and set of instructions. All the code in it has nothign to do with the darwin-derived code used in OSX86.
Thanks for summing things up for users here, i have been trying.
meistersinger
Sep 11 2008, 06:18 AM
I think everyone is forgetting one major fact: EFI is NOT an Apple Technology. EFI was developed by Intel, as the replacement for the Legacy (read IBM-PC and it's compatibles) BIOS. Intel will gladly sell the source code to anyone that can afford the price, just like Phoenix/Award and AMI sell their source code to motherboard manufacturers for use in their products (as well as their competing EFI-like products).
As for selling this unit in the US, as long as EFIX holds a legal license from Intel for EFI, they can sell anything they please that contains the EFI code. As a former Apple-trained frontline support tech, the only thing Apple can really do is provide NO support for OS X, since we, the users are not running on Apple Hardware. For example, I got OS X to boot on a Power Mac 7500, 8500, and 9500 with a Sonnet G4 processor card using the utiliy that is still available from macsales.com. The only thing I got out of the trainer was, "Cool." However, I already knew my hardware/software combination would not be supported by Apple, and I would be on my own. No problem, since I've been doing support for almost 20 years. Working support is the same as working the reference desk in a library, since you have to narrow down exactly what the customer wants or needs.
As for me, If it works with AMD processors, I might consider it. However, with me barely getting 15 hours a week at work, and medical bills over $300.00 per month (No thanks to being kicked off Medicare, even though my physician has deemed it necessary to remain on life-sustaining medication (read Insulin)), it's not going to be in the cards any time soon.
meistersinger
starobrno1
Sep 11 2008, 07:09 AM
Good thing we finally got some info and that someone was brave enough risked his money and finally took the step so lets focus on the important stuff here now and leave the silly stuff out, in this thread we wanna know how it works. Please create another thread if you wanna discuss from the love hate this thing point of wiev and also I can´t see why we can´t have a from a leagal point of wiev thread to keep this one clear focusing on feeding info about:
What hardware that´s not listed does it work for, will you get a more stable system, perhaps way better performance out of your gear, any bugs, deliverytime, local pricing etc etc. Who knows maby you even can contact them get a special offer for X amount of units if people here team up for a "bulk" buy.
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