And so begins your new quest. Soon we will have a ton of users with XP on their machines so now the question is....how the hell do we USE them without drivers? Well....sofar this is what we have...

Updated March 24 2007 (YAY I can edit posts again! I added the IR driver to the list)

Well its been 9 months since I last updated this. Sorry about that.

Admittedly this thread was rendered kinda pointless by BootCamp as prior to its release we were hunting for drivers for the EFI hack solution. BUT even with bootcamp there are still some issues and updates that can be done.

First off for those lazy bums who need it here's a link to apple's bootcamp page...

http://www.apple.com/macosx/bootcamp/

What does it bring us? Just about everything now. From what I have personally seen and from other feedback there are a few catches...

-24" iMacs seem to end up with a blank screen even with the latest bootcamp. Unfortunately I can't look into this much as I only have a 17" iMac and a MacBook Pro C2.

-Device Manager shows 2 problems in at least iMacs and MacBooks (all). One is a yellow ! next to a USB HID Device. The other is some kind of Performance Monitor. It seems to be an intel part per the hardware ID but thats as far as I can get.

Now what about enhancements to what apple gives us.

-ATI Drivers can be updated via Omega or ATI Directly. ATI has released RTM drivers for Vista that work on the iMacs and MacBook Pros. You can also update via the latest drivers from intel if you got one of the Intel Graphics machines.

http://www.omegadrivers.net/

http://ati.amd.com/ (goto Drivers & Software and select your OS)

http://downloadfinder.intel.com/scripts-df...r_nav2_download

-If you have a C2Duo machine Apple was kind enough to provide us with an 802.11n Draft Wireless Card. I've found a new version of the drivers which correct the sound skipping issues and seem more stable also.

http://forum.insanelymac.com/index.php?showtopic=39596

- An IR Driver for Windows has been developed. See progress and the latest Driver versions in this thread...

http://forum.insanelymac.com/index.php?showtopic=39172

-Input Remapper has been updated to support all MacBook Pros and adds support for auto dim/keyboard backlight and all function keys. Eject and NumLock are now fully functional in vista with the latest release. The auto functions are somewhat erratic but can be adjusted.

http://forum.insanelymac.com/index.php?showtopic=34515

Some may ask what to do about bootcamp drivers in Vista. Thing is the Bootcamp driver installer explodes around the point where the Video Drivers are installed and rolls back. Best thing to do is to run the installer with the /a option to extract the files and then manually install what you can. Really the only things you should need from bootcamp are the drivers for iSight, Apple Keyboard Support, WiFi, and Bluetooth.

-Howto Extract Drivers http://forum.insanelymac.com/index.php?showtopic=24302

-Bluetooth Fix http://forum.insanelymac.com/index.php?showtopic=12293

-MacBook Pro Keyboard http://forum.insanelymac.com/index.php?showtopic=32300

-Manual Trackpad Driver Install http://forum.insanelymac.com/index.php?s=&...st&p=220617

Well this is everything I could think of right now. I'll post what used to be here in a thread reply incase anyone needs it still.

for audio, I have read that the iMacs use Intel High Definition Audio chipset, so you could try this
http://www.opendrivers.com/driver/219983/i...e-download.html

for video, someone suggested you try extracting the driver file and install it manually through device manager. Have you tried doing that yet?

Give this a try for audio:
http://downloadfinder.intel.com/scripts-df...g=eng&prdmap=36

Tried the video. It just freezes the PC. Audio didn't work either

looks like video may need some major hackjob.

If the Intel HD Audio (realtek codec) didn't work, it seems like Intel also uses a Sigmatel codec version. Found the driver for that.
http://downloadfinder.intel.com/scripts-df...eng&PrdMap=2065

Its doing something...looks like its trying to install the drivers but keeps not finding em...

As for the bluetooth, seems like Apple used a fairly standard Cambridge Silicon Radio USB part. If Windows didn't install its default bluetooth drivers, I'd recommend trying to find some WIDCOMM drivers somewhere online. Unfortunately, that might be a bit difficult as it seems those drivers are usually given out to OEMs, therefore some OEM sets might be locked. Sigh...

I remember noting this, for audio ... Apple uses Open AL drivers, I think. at least that is what UT2K4 saw the audio as.

http://www.openal.org/downloads.html

whoops, nevermind

Thats it, but no sound from the speakers

Ooh...I had a thought...maybe it's defaulting to the lineout. No idea how you'd get the speakers working in that case...

Yea getting sound from headphone output right now. Looking into other outputs.

It shows me the speaker adjustment for surround sound speaker volume (8 channels) but still no audio from speakers :/

Yeah I guess check the mixer/volume control thing. It might be in there somewhere. I did notice that in Mac OS the Line Out and Speakers have two completely separate volume settings, so I wouldn't be surprised to find that the case in Windows.

http://dlsvr01.asus.com/pub/ASUS/nb/A7G/VGA_XP_060221.zip
Possible graphics driver?

About the wireless drivers -- last I helped a friend with his Dell, the Dell drivers for that chipset didn't support WPA2. I know some broadcom drivers exist that do, but I don't know if they work with the chip in the iMac. Can't try, don't know But they're on this page.
http://www.station-drivers.com/page/broadcom.htm
I know they're listed as coming from Compaq, but when I used them on my friend's machine, they're vanilla broadcom drivers, if I remember correctly. Also, right below it is some bluetooth stuff. Maybe that'd work.
Oh, and if you require WPA2 support, there's an extra patch you need to get from Microsoft's site.

Edit: Ah, crap. I just checked out that driver, but they linked the wrong thing. Sigh. They linked an 802.11g driver by mistake. I'll see if I can find the real link on google somewhere.

I found this while searching for an unknown PCI device ID. It looks to be a hardware list generated by linix on a 17" imac from the people who got linix going on it a few weeks ago. May help may not....

00:00.0 Host bridge: Intel Corporation Mobile 945GM/PM/GMS/940GML and 945GT Express Memory Controller Hub (rev 03)
00:01.0 PCI bridge: Intel Corporation Mobile 945GM/PM/GMS/940GML and 945GT Express PCI Express Root Port (rev 03)
00:07.0 Performance counters: Intel Corporation Unknown device 27a3 (rev 03)
00:1b.0 Audio device: Intel Corporation 82801G (ICH7 Family) High Definition Audio Controller (rev 02)
00:1c.0 PCI bridge: Intel Corporation 82801G (ICH7 Family) PCI Express Port 1 (rev 02)
00:1c.1 PCI bridge: Intel Corporation 82801G (ICH7 Family) PCI Express Port 2 (rev 02)
00:1d.0 USB Controller: Intel Corporation 82801G (ICH7 Family) USB UHCI #1 (rev 02)
00:1d.1 USB Controller: Intel Corporation 82801G (ICH7 Family) USB UHCI #2 (rev 02)
00:1d.2 USB Controller: Intel Corporation 82801G (ICH7 Family) USB UHCI #3 (rev 02)
00:1d.3 USB Controller: Intel Corporation 82801G (ICH7 Family) USB UHCI #4 (rev 02)
00:1d.7 USB Controller: Intel Corporation 82801G (ICH7 Family) USB2 EHCI Controller (rev 02)
00:1e.0 PCI bridge: Intel Corporation 82801 Mobile PCI Bridge (rev e2)
00:1f.0 ISA bridge: Intel Corporation 82801GBM (ICH7-M) LPC Interface Bridge (rev 02)
00:1f.1 IDE interface: Intel Corporation 82801G (ICH7 Family) IDE Controller (rev 02)
00:1f.2 SATA controller: Intel Corporation 82801GBM/GHM (ICH7 Family) Serial ATA Storage Controllers cc=AHCI (rev 02)
00:1f.3 SMBus: Intel Corporation 82801G (ICH7 Family) SMBus Controller (rev 02)
01:00.0 VGA compatible controller: ATI Technologies Inc Unknown device 71c5
02:00.0 Ethernet controller: Marvell Technology Group Ltd. 88E8053 PCI-E Gigabit Ethernet Controller (rev 22)
03:00.0 Network controller: Broadcom Corporation BCM4310 UART (rev 01)
04:03.0 FireWire (IEEE 1394): Agere Systems FW323 (rev 61)

Of course the ATI Unknown Device is the Mobility Radeon x1600 but what I am wondering is what the Performance Counters entry is exactly. It shows up as an unknown PCI device.

So I've got some bluetooth drivers that I think should work, the Broadcom Widcomm ones. I pre-patched them so they don't have the not-the-right-OEM issue. Putting it up on Megaupload, but since it's going to take about 40 minutes to upload, and I've got an exam this morning, I'll have to post the link after I wake up. Sorry bout that...

what about original intel driver for gma950 ?
http://downloadfinder.intel.com/scripts-df...ystems&lang=eng

Hi All,

AirmanPika, Try This => http://support.toshiba-tro.de/tools/Tecra/...204051220a1.zip

This is graphic driver for Toshiba Tecra A7 and the hardware match with the macbookpro/imacintel especialy the video card got the same device id (71c5) with your imac radeon x1600 mobility

I hope it's help your for missing drivers

Here's bluetooth, hope it works:
http://www.megaupload.com/?d=0TI5FLDN

i wonder if omega drivers will work on the MBP or the imac. they have an option for mobile GPUs when u install it.

http://www.omegadrivers.net/ati/win2k_xp.php

Just 4 the record, neither Omega nor the Acer Driver from Travelmate 8200 did work....

I think I found the video driver for the Mac book and the Imac....

The launch partner for the X1600 mobility was (is) ASUS. The launch laptop is the ASUS A7G

http://www.ati.com/buy/promotions/AsusA7G/index.html

If you look on the ASUS support pages for the A7G you will find:
Graphics Driver
ATI Graphics driver for WinXP

the current version is v8.204 (dated 2/21/2006)

I'm downloading now even though I don't yet have my Imac to look at the driver files...


The INF file looks like this:

[Version]
Signature="$Windows NT$"
Provider=%ATI%
ClassGUID={4D36E968-E325-11CE-BFC1-08002BE10318}
Class=Display
DriverVer=12/20/2005, 8.204.0.0
CatalogFile=CX_29563.CAT

[DestinationDirs]
DefaultDestDir = 11
ati2mtag.Miniport = 12 ; drivers
ati2mtag.Display = 11 ; system32

[ControlFlags]
ExcludeFromSelect=*
;
; Driver information
;

[Manufacturer]
%ATI% = ATI.Mfg, NTx86

[ATI.Mfg.NTx86]
"ATI Mobility Radeon X1400" = ati2mtag_M54, PCI\VEN_1002&DEV_7145&SUBSYS_13331043
"ATI Mobility Radeon X1600" = ati2mtag_M56, PCI\VEN_1002&DEV_71C5&SUBSYS_10B210


hope that these are the ones....

Yea neither of those worked on my end either. I'm gonna try some from Asus and Toshiba now that I'm awake again.

Hey, just an advice, why don't you look for Everest and download the trial, look for hardware vendors and device IDs of missing drivers and just google them.

I think also Asus and Toshiba won't help... Its the special "Apple-Firmware" in the Graphic-Card thats such a pain in the ass... I've read some interview from a mac game mag with ATI. They said you would have to flash the Bios of the GPU to get all its features in WinXP.
Doesn't seem too good to me but maybe the mystique BAMBIOS will do the job... Let's see what the next days may bring for all of us.

Good night

Here's what is and is not working on a MacBook Pro:

Based on:

AirmanPika's master list , Stratus Fear's bluetooth driver, lilmoonee3's omega drivers suggestion, a rapidly growing list of other helpful souls. sorry if i leave your name out, but know your help is appreciated!

--------------------------------

Chipset:
YES, the Intel chipset driver works.
Note: The only perceptible change people have mentioned is the ICH7 SMBus Controller is now recognizable. Regardless, it's always a good idea to have the latest chipset drivers installed, even if it just "freshens" the ones redistributed by Microsoft.

Sound:
YES, the Sigmatel driver works, with caveats
Caveats: "Sound from headphones but not speakers"; Infrared Out is now on 100% of the time, so there is another constant, miniscule power draw as well as additional heat being generated.

Ethernet Controller:
YES, the Marvell driver works.

Wireless Card:
NO... the Dell drivers will not install as no compatible hardware is detected.
NO... the ASUS redist of Intel's A7G mobo wireless driver (for the 2200BG/2915ABG) installs, but detects no compatible hardware.
NO... the Intel-direct generic version for the 2200BG/2915ABG/3945ABG installs, but detects no compatible hardware.
YES...the drivers for an IBM ThinkPad 802.11abg LAN Mini PCI Express adapter seem to work fine, but installation instructions are a little tricky: extract the drivers from the compressed .exe (I used WinRAR) and then right click-> Upgrade Driver... on the "? Network Adapter" item. Rather than search, tell it you manually will choose the driver, and select "All Devices" then click "Have Disk" and point it at the WINXP_2K folder in the bits you just extracted. Ignore / accept the warning and viola... you should have a working wireless adapter.

Bluetooth:
NO... the drivers install without too much trouble, but during and afterwards they complain that your bluetooth adapter is not installed or connected. so, their software devices work fine, but the actual hardware is not compatible.
Best guess as to why this may not be workable is here.
Warning: Hacking Bluetooth drivers for Windows could be dangerous. Read more here.
YES... See here for details.

Video:
NO... the Omega drivers do NOT work even if told a Laptop card is installed
NO... the stock ATI Catalyst drivers do not work (they throw a "Severe" INF error (Video driver not found.) and then suggest "Try to setup your display adapter with a standard VGA driver before running setup."
NO... the ASUS A76 drivers (VGA_XP_060221.zip) do not work (see ATI Catalyst results ^)
Tip: until we get the drivers working, disable all hardware acceleration on the video card. it makes things (like moving windows around) much smoother. still not "perfect," but it is an improvement.

Known Quirks, Oddities, and Cautionary Notes

• Restarting XP causes it to lock up (doesn't work)
• Shutting Down XP also locked up the machine until i joined an NT Domain (which disables the Welcome screen login mode). Apparently this made it possible for Shutdown to work properly again on my MacBook.
• However, joining a domain / disabling the Welcome screen causes problems of its own. Chiefly: the MacBook keyboard has no Del(ete) key, making the requisite "three-finger salute" (ctrl+alt+del) impossible, and Fn+(Backspace) doesn't produce a PC Del code like you'd expect it to... so unless you have a spare USB keyboard handy, you can't log in again (joy)! The fix for this is to get remapkey.exe. Details are here.
• There is reasonable speculation that the accessory fans aren't turning on in Windows, which could lead to overheating. I ran my MBP in Windows all day yesterday and while i did notice it running hotter than usual, there was no perceptible damage (YMMV, I Am Not A Lawyer). Of course, the most system-intensive thing I did was install all the Windows Updates via Internet Explorer. At this stage, it's probably a Good Thing™ that we can't play Half Life 2 yet... Note: it is likely that installing the chipset drivers mentioned above mitigates or eliminates this problem, as it allows Windows to talk to the SMBus components.

----------------------------

P.S. A million thanks (or at least, 13,000 thanks ) to narf2006, blanka, and sud0n1m who made all this possible!

Am I the only one who can state that my WiFi card isn't picking up my router using the Dell drivers? I'm on a 17" iMac

Just as a note it appears the MacBook Pro may use a rebadged Intel Pro Wireless 3945ABG card so macbook users may want to try that. Let me know and I'll update the main post.



I think someone mentioned that the dell drivers may not support WEP 2.0 so if your router is using that it COULD be why its not working. I can't verify this myself as I don't use WEP at all personally.

Afaik I'm not using security at all..

Well that sucks. You could try finding an alternate drive possibly. The iMac uses a Broadcom 4310/4311 PCI-E 802.11abg chipset.

It appears that the performace counters help the OS determine CPU load on multiprocessing systems. It helps with scheduling multithreadding of tasks. I'm not sure XP even supports this hardware method of scheduling tasks. Here is where I found some information.

Using Hardware Event Counters

Not in the least way out of shear curiosity, but I tried installing some drivers for the video thinking maybe I might make a breakthrough, and the system locked. Now when I try to restart windows, it just sits there and hangs. How can I undo this? Is there a way to go into "VGA" mode?

Thanks!
Thomas

EDIT: n/m. I just tried F8 and it showed up allowing me to revert to last known good config.... Everest shows Ati Mobility Radeon X1600 M56, to anyone wondering...

boot in safe mode by pressing F8 during the boot sequence. Uninstall the new driver and they system will boot back into VGA mode.

I don't think we're ever gonna find working graphics drivers as-is - from what I can tell Windows must be hard coded to blanko's framebuffer driver to work on the Macs.

This would most probably mean that someone needs to change the framebuffer (XOM/vgasave) driver to translate calls directly to the Radeon, which sounds like a horrible amount of work to get video drivers

Wonder if the device ID is different or something... The bluetooth chipset is indeed the same as the old D-Link USB bluetooth adapter I used to use, and those drivers worked on it back then...



So it seems as though they would need to emulate a VGA BIOS to get around using the linear framebuffer deal... Hmm... As it is, it seems like they aren't. But I don't know about the internals of the code, so...

Report:

I tried the ASUS redist of Intel's A7G mobo wireless driver (for the 2200BG/2915ABG) and it didn't work.

I also tried the Intel-direct generic version for the 2200BG/2915ABG/3945ABG, it also didn't work.

Back to square 1...

So if wireless networking isn't working yet, how is it that one user is even messing with being able to 'see' other wireless networks? What driver is supposed to be used for the iMac 17?

Thanks

Not to get off topic, but does the patch work with Windows XP Home Edition? I have that version and I dont have the money to go out and buy XP Pro.

So what do we do about the video?

Contest #2

$15 here

Oh, and one more thing - Does anyone else's system lock up on shutdown/restart? Mine does it consistently.

how about hibernation and standby?

(Sorry Off Topic)

There's no such thing on mine...

What actually originally made me think that is that I hacked the ATI drivers so they would install, and my display adapter shows up as a "Radeon X1600 Family", but in the Display Properties it would show that it's forced to the XOM framebuffer driver (which, BTW, you should NEVER EVER disable - am re-installing Windows now as a result).

If I recall correctly, the firmware was required to communicate with the PowerPC processors which require a different endianess. There should no longer be a need to have a different firmware with the new intel chips.

-rich

Well in this case the firmware is different because they used a UGA bios instead of a VGA one on the radeon.

Oh and yes the macs don't want to reboot for some reason. They will always freeze on "Windows is shutting down..." and you have to do a manual power cycle. I believe this is the case for all machines. Shutdown works fine though.

Okay, I was running around on the Onmac IRC channel, and I ALMOST have a driver working.

Here's what I found (sorry for the ad-tacular reg needed):
http://members.driverguide.com/driver/deta...driverid=613581

I had someone install it. After restart, it showed the device, but that it had a Code 10 error and didn't work, as such:

Not sure why, but even Shutdown hard locks the MacBook Pro. I haven't tried Restart yet... maybe it's opposite of the iMac?


Anyway, i did some more poking around and noticed something fun about the Omega drivers. Installing the Omega drivers doesn't provide any better video experience, but it does expose this information in the Device Mangler:

-Display adapters
[indent]M56

M56 Properties->Details tab:

Device Instance Id
PCI\VEN_1002&DEV_71C5&SUBSYS_00001002&REV_00\4&31B7BFB9&0&0008

Hardware Ids
PCI\VEN_1002&DEV_71C5&SUBSYS_00001002&REV_00
PCI\VEN_1002&DEV_71C5&SUBSYS_00001002
PCI\VEN_1002&DEV_71C5&CC_030000
PCI\VEN_1002&DEV_71C5&CC_0300

Compatible Ids
PCI\VEN_1002&DEV_71C5&REV_00
PCI\VEN_1002&DEV_71C5
PCI\VEN_1002&CC_030000
PCI\VEN_1002&CC_0300
PCI\VEN_1002
PCI\CC_030000
PCI\CC_0300

Matching Device Id
pci\ven_1002&dev_71c5

Service
ati2mtag

Enumerator
PCI

Capabilities

Devnode Flags
DN_DRIVER_LOADED
DN_STARTED
DN_DISABLEABLE
DN_NT_ENUMERATOR
DN_NT_DRIVER

ConfigFlags

CSConfigFlags

Ejection Relations

Removal Relations

Bus Relations

Device Upper Filters

Device Lower Filters

Class Upper Filters

Class Lower Filters

Class Installer
Desk.Cpl,DisplayClassInstaller

Class Coinstallers

Device Coinstallers

Firmware Revision

Current Power State
D0

Power Capabilities
PDCAP_D0_SUPPORTED
PDCAP_D1_SUPPORTED
PDCAP_D2_SUPPORTED
PDCAP_D3_SUPPORTED

Power State Mappings
S0 -> D0
S1 -> Unspecified
S2 -> Unspecified
S3 -> D3
S4 -> D3
S5 -> D3

Anyone tried flashing the BIOS on the GFX card with the PC version of the M56 yet? Someone here HAS to have an OEM contact at a company who is using the M56 in their units for us to do this...

Any anyone given a run on installing the Intel Chipset drivers? That would knock out a lot of the odd and end drivers, as I know on Dell and other system you have to install it for other devices to show up correctly.