Heinz Recipe for Trouble: Hold the Ad
A Commercial for Heinz Deli Mayo Stirs Up Controversy in the U.K.

http://abcnews.go.com/International/Story?...1319&page=1

I love that advert!!

Though I was just waiting for it to be taken down...
It was no suprise though, things get taken off the TV or other things for stupid reasons all the time here, like this one here:
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/entertainment/7401315.stm



Oddly enough, all the characters portrayed in that poster, as well as the actors are all over 18. Why this is encouraging under age sex beats me

I love that advert to, why is it taken off the air?

Yeah, what is wrong with that poster?

I think a lot of people see the commercial as a gay couple with children.... maybe I'm odd, but I saw it as "with Heinz "stuff" you have a New York barber in the kitchen, instead of a "normal wife"."

Am I totally odd for seeing it this way?

Nothing, if I was viewing it. I'd have problems with a 5 year old viewing it.

In this day and age of technology, do we really have to clutter every corner of our lives with sex and violence? I am strongly apposed to censorship. I believe discerning adults should have convenient access to the products and entertainment of their choice. Why can't public space like bill boards, news stands, shop fronts, public broadcasts, etc. have higher standards? I'm not calling for a return to the Victorian Age but we could still do a better job protecting our young children. They deserve the opportunity to be just children... free from the bombardment of sex and violence so prevalent in our modern age.

Self Censorship is a beautiful thing. The individual selects the standard by which they will conduct their lives. Satellite and cable television offer parental controls... every television set purchased within the last 19 years in my country has had the capability to selectively block even over-the-air content based on its rating category. Internet and digital radio also have similar capabilities. In addition, there are nightclubs, liquor stores, and other venues not frequented by children that would offer excellent opportunity for more mature advertising. Books, magazines, and other media and products not sold to children that also afford advertising opportunities. Advertisements have always targeted their audiences. It would be no different to reserve more racy ad campaigns for those places outside the innocent view of children. Where children are present, I am confident witty and engaging ad campaigns can effectively serve their purpose without resorting to such damaging tactics.

I know we are all different and would draw the line on acceptable public behavior just as differently. That said, compromise is possible.

In regards to the Heinz commercial. I'm not even sure I'd call it homosexual. I interpreted it to mean any mom can be serve up professional deli quality using the product. We saw the mom as a stereotyped delicatessen professional, the family saw her as just mom... comical, but not sexual. I think it was great for Heinz to throw that out there and test the waters. Slowly, our social sensibilities are evolving and soon enough we won't be holding different groups to different standards. I have no problem with public displays of affection... it's when they are public displays of lust and passion where I personally draw the line regardless of sexual orientation... and yes, the "Skins" poster falls into the later category. Get a freaking room! Children are present!


Of course not. You hit the nail squarely on the head.

In a free society, people are allowed to be unsophisticated, socially irresponsible, fearful, and ignorant.... just as we are free to tell them so. I don't know what is more comical, the commercial or all those who missed the point entirely?

A 5 year old child has no problems with two man kissing like in the advert

and thats the way it should be.

just like a 5 year old has no problems when a man and a woman kissing.. its just an innocent kiss

its no porn

people who have problems with two men kissing are ignorant and disciminating.. are homofoob and promoting violance agains gays

Wow! That would stir up the preachers here in Texas so bad that in their haste to run home and write the boycott Heinz sermon they'd rush out the motel room and forget to pay the hooker.

I think he was referring to the Skins 'orgy' poster

And that can turn into a disaster. We have been discussing something pretty innocent here, but when an entire Nation (Italy) can be brainwashed, can't think with their own brains and vote into power a government of dangerous fascists and mafiosi, that is a serious matter.

" Homophobia in the UK alive and well"
And always will be. Everywhere.



If your kind ever took over America, there would be a civil war. You can quote me on that.
If you don't like it, then LEAVE. Go back to whatever hole you crawled out of.

What is wrong with 2 men kissing, anyway? Does it damage someone, does it cause the national debt go up? Tell me, what?

Like I said. Gays are a minority. You can't stop people commenting on your activities anymore than you can stop La Raza saying that they are the "God Race", that wants to kill all Gringos with blonde hair, and blue eyes.

It always has, and always will be.

I don't like Gays, and I don't like Mexicans. There is nothing you, or anyone can do about it. There are a lot of people that don't like a person because they have a towel on their head. The government is responsible for that, and I personally have nothing against them. But I stand where I always will stand.

You can lobby your government all you want, but it won't stop anything, and will lead to resistance.

That "hole" is one of the most civilized countries in the world: the Netherlands. It is my understanding he has always lived there.
Instead of worrying about totally meaningless issues, shouldn't you worry much more about issues like the one I describe in post #10? People are totally brain-dead and they could vote back into power a new Hitler (and they did, they voted for G. W. Bush in your country and for Berlusconi in mine).

o...m...g What is with you people and comparing leaders to Hitler?!? Hitler = genocide.... I dont think GWB has done that....

Not exactly, but how many people have died in Iraq?

I think you are wrong

there always has been, in every society, a elite who sets the standaard for the ordinary people

a elite who sets the standaard!


an elite who says:

Women are equel to men and should be able to vote
-> Women's Voting Rights



a elite who says:

racial discimination is wrong, black and white should have the same rights

->abolishing racial discrimination



a elite who says:
gay discimination is wrong
-> anti-discrimination laws, gays rights , Same-sex marriage


Its a future, you can;t stop.. its going to happen, and its happening right now.. for example same-sex marrriage ( spain, canada, south africa, california, Massachusetts, the netherlands, Belgium etc)

it can't be stopped

Gay rights(human rights) are the future

You are an echo of the past

But i am happy that you responded in this topic... you are the best advocate for gay rights

really

thank you so much!

An elite that will be abolished, and destroyed as long as I breathe.



Exactly. And it is because of Johan's worshiped elites. The same elites that lied to get the sheeple to go into Iraq.

http://politicalhumor.about.com/od/funnypi...nica-Moment.htm

I like johan, but I am afraid his ideas are a bit mixed up. Very rarely "elites" have granted rights to others. Rights have been obtained through lengthy fights. He should remember that gay people in his country have been fighting since the end of WW2 to get where they are now.

well, in my country it has been the liberal - social democrate elite who has lead the way for gays rights (both right /left winged)

i am not talking about the conservative-cristian elite.. like bush(republicans)

Replace the word "elite" with "visionary" in Johan's post and it might make it clearer for our purposes. In a sense, visionaries ARE elites. It's just semantics, really. Don't let the word throw you, he made a valuable point.

We all just do our best to communicate our ideas. Ideas are never fixed and continue to develop. They shift with our moods. There are times of crystal clarity and others when nothing makes sense. Writing them down, speaking them... it's just a stationary snap shot of a moving target. It's hard to convey them in the proper spirit and context.

It really does seem a bit silly we keep visiting the gay topic. I cringe at the word "gay" when talking human rights. I love gay people. Jon says he hates them. And, if I recall, Alessandro is one. Again, semantics are getting in the way of properly conveying the context and spirit of the debate. No fanfare, endorsements, or special treatment... just the extension of all rights and privileges spread evenly to all without addendum or caveat. A society that can allow for the unequal application of law can never adequately guarantee the continuation of those rights and freedoms that law is intended to provide.

To Jon I would say, allowing homosexuals the right to exist openly with equal rights and dignity isn't going to change anything for you. There is not going to be some cataclysmic breakdown in the fabric of society. Things will go on as they always have. Those newly endowed with equal privileges will continue doing what it is that they do. We will continue to do what it is that we do. Don't be so worried. This type of social evolution has happened many times in many places. Have you been to Canada or Massachusetts recently? How about Spain? Nothing. Church choirs are still singing. Children are still playing. Moms and dads still go to work. Students are still studying. People shop. People laugh. People cry. Babies are born. There are funerals, christenings, bar mitzvahs, communions, weddings, feasts, and festivals. There are no wild public orgies or bands of homosexuals menacing the neighborhoods. No explosion of perverted displays of public affection. No recruitment boards. Nope, life just marches on like it always has... with one small but profound exception. The arbitrary application of law has been, in no small measure, curtailed thus quietly securing the rights of all that much more. I don't expect you to agree with them or accept them but do yourself a favor and begrudgingly extend to them what you yourself enjoy. That way, somebody else will be less able to come along and take it away from you. It's called covering our collective ass.

Actually I have never said that

One of us! One of Us!

Regardless, Alessandro is a admirably strong supporter of gay rights and human rights in general. When I fist joined Insanely I was by no means 'anti-gay' but I wasn't necessarily in support of gay rights. However because of posts in the Real Life subforum (particularly by Alessandro), I now find myself much more tolerant and accepting.

While I don't consider the gay rights movement to be of the same magnitude of the racial civil rights movements, (yes, I side with Obama on this ) I do think that they are very important when working towards a better society. There have always been homosexual people, and there always will be. Why degrade and discriminate against others?

What makes you think that any government can give you any kind of "rights"?

I find myself less tolerant and accepting due to Alessandro's posts in the real life forum. and about the add. I too just want mayonaise, not two guys kissing

Thanks, that is what I strive to be
As you know, I fight for religious tolerance as well.

Thats what the Constitution speaks of in the 1st amendment. Its called freedom of religion.

Yes I know, we have also a great Constitution in Italy, but our politicians (and Catholic church) do their best to ignore it all the time.

Hey, that's exactly what our government does! What a coincidence!

And Jon, I remember a while ago in a topic similar to this one you said that you didn't care what gays did or did not do. So why are we still arguing about this? This is really an idiotic topic. It's obvious that there will always be some people that don't want gays to have rights and some people that are gay. Simple as that.

'I just want mayonnaise! I don't want guys kissing!' ... Could you imagine what people would say if it was a straight kiss?


equal should really mean equal

no exceptions

your eihter pro human rights and equality

or against human rights and equality

to me, there is no grey area.. when it comes to human rights

when two straight people are kissing in an ad, its acceptable

when two black people are kissing in an ad, thats acceptable

when a white and a black person are kissing each other, thats acceptable

when two gay people are kissing in an ad, it should be acceptable too

come on, its just a innocent kiss.

It never will be.

Like I told the little one earlier. You cannot shape the world to your ideas. In a lot of places, such as Iraq, and south america, if you did that in public, they would kill you where you stand, or beat you up, and throw you in the forrest somewhere, or throw you in cell, and never let you out.

The world will never conform to YOUR ideas, no more than you will conform to theirs.

thank god, its not about just my idea
but here in europe a mayority shares my view on this subject

Ours do to. You are not alone.



This is an example of why the American colonies started.

Europe is not a democracy. In America, we are not a democracy. %51 of the public cannot tell the other %49 what to do. If they did, then you would have a war. I would much rather live in a dictatorship than a democracy.

If %51 of people didn't own guns, and they persuaded the dictator, or congressional body to take away the guns of the other %49, then the %49 would kill the %51 since they were unarmed. You can use any example such as this.

If you believe in something, then do it. But you won't change the fact that someone might knock you out for it. You can't have your cake, and eat it too.

I really shouldn't beat this dead horse any further but like the rest of you, I feel compelled for no intelligent reason. It's also late and I feel like indulging in a display of emotionalism.

The United Kingdom of Great Britain had majority rule more or less... representation during the 18th century was based on taxation... the more taxes you paid the more representation your community got in the The House of Commons and the House of Lords.... colonies excluded. Our founding fathers clearly understood the limitations of majority rule. They crafted the constitution in an attempt to rectify many of those problems. The US Constitution does NOT enshrine majority rule... our brand of democracy was NOT intended to give the majority shot gun over the minority... the founding fathers wanted something better. WE want something better. That is why the constitution is there to protect THE INDIVIDUAL!

Not to put a finer point on the matter but I really can't see how an American... or should I say an educated and informed American... can horde the rights of community property, inheritance, child custody, taxation benefits, and all the other rights bestowed on a married couple and their children in this country, turn right around and deny it to another group based solely on their personal sensibilities with complete disregard to those most effected, and still call themselves defenders of the constitution. Even less can I comprehend how they intend to keep all their rights when they allow the practice of law to be so selective! Who is to say when maybe THEY will be targeted in the future? Popular opinion is fickle! The prevention of the extension of marriage rights to all by groups or individuals well intended or not is, in my book, an act of treason. Is that frank enough for you?!

This is just another case of the pot calling the kettle black. We sure are quick to jump all over that Taliban for imposing their views but hell if the concept isn't alive and well in this country. Homosexuality is a sin... it freaks me out... I don't want my children thinking it's OK. Well how do you suppose we accomplish you getting your way? We hanged Mary Dyer on the Boston Commons just for being a Quaker. Maybe we should just round up all those dirty faggots and hang them too... (Dykes are ok... because I think it's hot!) While we're at it, I think drug users should be included too. How about them illegal aliens. Oh hell, lets just get rid of all immigrants! Socialists make me uncomfortable, maybe they should all go. People who drive SUVs? Michael Bolton fans are pretty obnoxious! And the Scientologists have pretty much fallen out of favor... they should go too.... along with the Mormons and members of The Star Trek Church because that's just not right! Who else? Where do we draw a line limiting our intolerance?

If we really can't learn to live in harmony one with another and allow others their differences, I say lets skip the return of dictatorship and just blow ourselves up already. We wouldn't be worth saving.

In America we are all allowed our opinion... even if it is ignorant. Stop listening to liberal crazies and the conservative nut jobs. Neither give you an accurate portrait of what is going on. The real world is somewhere in the middle... and this Darwinian view on society is either completely flawed or another reason to nuke ourselves. We are supposed to be the one animal that aspires to be more than we are... NOT SURRENDER TO IT!

That is a shitty example because you have one party, the gun-wielding party, killing those that don't agree with their ideals.

Thank god they'll never conform to yours either!