http://www.vloggingtheapocalypse.com/viewV...mp;ref=Bagattel

Can power your house off a car battery.

WOW!!
Another Credible Source of information!

Whats wrong with Sky News.

This is basic physics!

You cannot power a house on a car battery

a 80Ah battery could only provide 13A of electrical current for about 6 hours, and a 13A current for the entire house is a very conservative estimate.
So yeah, you could power your house for an hour or two... but what are you going to do after that?
Considering a car battery is more than £50 a shot, it doesn't sound like a very cheap way to power your house

He wasnt on about powering a house with a car batery.
He was explaining he has found a way to get 5 times more energy from an engine.

Very good video, Jon. The man doesn't seem a looney to me.
The only problem is, this isn't going to make oil multinationals happy.

I just loved the way you had to "start" it with an adjustable wrench!
I would have thought that with the amount of electricity is is able to generate, one could have a charged battery and a starter motor to get it going?!


SticMAN

SticMAN, I like you, but please stop it with so many "roflmao" smilies.
Jon is a human being, and he can be nice like anybody else.
Besides I find this thread quite interesting.

I removed those that belonged to me!(no roflmao)

"Jon is a human being, and he can be nice like anybody else."
Please, show me where?!......(no roflmao)

Sticman

Car battery, no. Deep cycle battery with some power generating sources coming in to charge it (solar, wind, flywheel, etc.), maybe!

Also, this brings up a good point, why not try to GET IT, so that we can power an entire house off a car battery, why not push all devices to do the exact same thing on less power. This is part of conservation, if we were able to do this, we wouldn't need to BUILD new power plants at all, in fact, we would even be able to get rid of a few.

For instance here:

http://forum.insanelymac.com/index.php?sho...10117&st=15

Its a great idea. It costs about 20 grand to cover your house to completly power it from solar. Something like that could make a huge difference, and reduce the cost of the technology. It would be great to not have to rely on a 3rd party for electricity.

Exactly. Here in Italy we pay a fortune for electricity. My parents and I (in two different houses) pay €350 each every 2 months just to keep the house warm (or cool in the summer) and the water hot.

Nothing new. See: http://www.steorn.com/

I'll believe it when I actually see proof of it, otherwise it's just another unsubstantiated claim.

End of June 2008 now. What happened?

Anyway, "free", clean energy for the house can be produced: sun or wind.

Any inspection of the device probably looked something like this:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uCaKE1bKCjo

"If I can just figure how to stop adding more energy than I get out..."



Free, minus the cost of producing the device used for harvesting.

Here its about $100 a month. I have an iron stove for the winter to fire up, and burn wood. I made it last winter, and it saved us about $70 a month during the winter. Good for cooking over too. Especially turkey bacon. It heats the downstairs, which is where we sleep. Very confortable. I've become somewhat of a handy man since I bought a welder.

I don't really use a lot of electricity since I spend most of my time after work outside. Couped up in an office working on shitty winblows boxen all day will turn your drive away from it after 12 years, and make you want to pursue the better things in life.

I hear that. To hell with all these naysayers when it comes to electricity. People are thinking firmly INSIDE THE BOX. I am guessing there is a lot when it comes to energy that we don't know. I also wouldn't be surprised if the answer to our energy problems was just staring us in the face. There is a massive incentive to keep discoveries like this under wraps. If energy is no longer a commodity, if one can produce their own energy, then oil companies, electric companies, etc. all go out of business quickly.

The government WANTS you to pay the electric company, wants you to go to a gas pump, wants you to go the grocery store (or any store for that matter), and wants you to be taught ignorance in school. The reason why the government wants you to do these things is so that you will be dependent on them for all your needs, and hence will be required to hand them all your money (to pay for each need). This isnt always done with malicious intent, many politicians want to actually help people, and some required societal reforms are good ones. But good intentions and good for the people are two entirely different things. The fact is, if one becomes more dependent on the government, one is forced to hand over more and more of their money to the government until nobody earns the fruit of their own labor anymore, they simply become numbers, given a pre-determined (not necessarily equal) portion of the pie regardless of experience, knowledge, efficiency, etc.

Also, if anybody wants to break away from this, they cant, they are required BY LAW to pay simply for being raised in a certain geological area.

I agree with taxes, I agree that society should work together and try to help those who are less fortunate, but there are fair ways to do this and the way we are doing it is NOT the fair way.

We should definitely play along, but we should do everything in our power to do whatever we can ON OUR OWN. This will limit the government's power and keep this necessary evil in check.

So, are you saying that you believe these Zero Point magnetic motor claims, and that all those (there have been many) that claim to have successfully accomplished building such a device are being silenced by "(them|'big oil'|'energy companies'|government|'the man')"?

Look, I'm all for energy conservation, alternate energy, etc., and even thinking outside the box when searching for solutions. I just think we need to keep our eye on the ball and not get side-tracked by obvious snake oil.

Speaking of snake oil, I'm curious how your HHO experiments to increase automotive fuel economy have gone? Remember, after adjusting your O2 sensor to "compensate for the HHO gas", you need to the leave your O2 compensations in-place, disconnect your HHO generator, and then re-test your newly found "fuel economy" (likely finding that it will stay the same, or even increase, because the real change in MPG comes from running the engine lean, not "HHO gas allowing petrol to burn more efficiently").

No, I am not saying that I believe these Zero Point Magnetic motor claims. But I have noticed that most people just shout "IMPOSSIBLE" and then immediately look the other way, we should look at these things more closely to SEE if what they say is true. I think that the world's economy is dependant on oil at the moment, that is what its running on, so when something else comes up we just wont hear it, even though its screaming into our ears. I don't think there's a conspiracy, I just think we are firmly sucking on the tit of big oil, and many sources of revenue depend on that (taxes and so fourth). So some groups of people might even be shooting themselves in the foot by going to something besides oil, so these alternative energy sources don't get the investment, don't get the money, don't get the additional research, don't get mainstream adoption. It has nothing to do with conspiracies, it is VERY logical.

I never talked about adjusting my O2 sensor (at least I don't believe I did, my car can figure it out on its own. I have tested it and it works but I need to now build a container which will actually fit in my engine bay haha) and you are right, having a leaner mixture is what causes increased fuel economy, what this hho generator does is that it allows you to make the fuel/air mixture even WAY leaner than normal because pure Hydrogen and Oxygen are more combustive than air, which means that one can have way less gas to achieve the same result.

From your comments on my hho experimentation, I can surmise that you are probably in the box as well, did you even consider for a moment that what I'm trying to do MIGHT work? Have you ever tried it? I am applying the experimental method, I am taking what other people and scientists have SAID (that more energy would need to be put into the device than the energy that I would get out) and I am replicating the experiment to see if what people have said is true. Just because a scientist said something doesn't mean its true (and any kind of person for that matter). I am just confirming and experimenting. I am simply trying to get out of the socially constructed box that society has put me in from birth. I am trying to blaze my own path, and I don't trust anybody to do it for me, I love science, I love being scientific, but I just don't trust people to tell the truth or try a little harder when something looks impossible, and I don't think that it's a bad thing.

The burden of proof is on those making the claim. At this point, none have been able to prove anything. You can bet that if there is a verifiable, reproducible demonstration given, no one will be looking away.



No, but it's "required" in order to "use" the HHO generator.



Yes. Thought about it, read about it, and realized that for all the "proof" I could find with regard to HHO generators (related directly to the HHO gas, not water vapor) in automobiles, any increase in MPG comes down to about the same you can get tweaking your O2 sensor and changing your driving habits. You can get way more MPG if you "hypermile".

Again, the burden of proof is on those making the claims. I'm willing to eat my words if you can show me that it actually works. Hell, I'd add one to my own vehicle.

Increasing fuel efficiency is certainly possible, I'm just saying the HHO generators don't appear to be a reliable source of improvement. Read up on 5 and 6 cycle engines and water injection -- these are sound methods, though the technology certainly needs a bit of attention (even though the idea has been around for a good long time). Is the HHO gas increasing MPG, or is it simply acting like a water vapor injector, or are you just running your engine too lean?



It doesn't matter who "says" it. It needs to be demonstrated. It needs to be replicated. It needs to be controlled. It needs to be "peer reviewed" (and "peer review" is where its helpful to be a "scientist" (specializing in a field related to your research/experiments), since your "peer" review will actually carry weight). It needs to be verified. The "science" of why an HHO generator is gaining MPG (if it is), and any negatives connected with it needs to be understood (for example, would it still be EPA friendly? will your engine die prematurely because of extra heat?).

Dude...you don't know what has and hasn't been proven. There's videos, etc. Proof of these designs working. I find it hard to believe that every one of these people is trying to trick us into thinking there's alternative energy when in fact there's not. There's only a very small incentive to do that. And what about the people who offer their plans free, they just want you to know them. If they were trying to screw you out of your money or trying to get you to buy something, why would they offer their designs at no cost?

There is a small incentive to try and lie about alternative energy, there is a much larger incentive to lie and cover things up if you have a monopoly on energy and you are trying to keep it.

I am just trying to be logical here. I am just experimenting on my own car, I haven't said any of this works, it just makes sense to me that it WOULD, I could believe it so to speak. That is why I am experimenting, to confirm, replicate, or refute what I have seen and learned. Nothing more.

Your last point about "it doesn't matter who says it" was the exact point I was trying to make. I guess you got my meaning reversed.

The HHO Generator reduces your emissions to zero. You could even take out your catalytic converter if you want. I am not sure about the extra heat, I will have to research it. I have made HHO, blew my ears out haha, but I am refining it, money is an issue though so research is moving along but not as quickly as I would like. I have briefly hooked it up to my car, didn't notice a difference (just idling, gas not coming out quickly). Every design change I have made though has resulted in an improvement, so I will keep you guys updated as to whats going on.

There is no proof of this.



I look forward to hearing your results... but again, is it actually the HHO that "helps", just the water vapor, or simply running the engine too lean? You need to make sure you test these things before posting results.

Exactly! I am in the testing phase at the moment hehe