Well, here it is. Discuss.

You owe me $20.

I said November not now.

McCain will come through because I would have been with Hillary if she was the candidate.

Hillary to McCain? Now, that's an interesting shift.

Woooot

Obama will lose the general election and McCain will ruin america...

Why does everyone think McCain will win? I just don't get it.

Listen, I'm not crazy about him and I barely like him but he has experience. Hillary should have been in Obama's place. So what if Obama has charisma, it won't help him at 3 AM with that phone call.



Again, listen, Obama has very little experience. It's the same thing like giving a car to somebody whose only car training is Need For Speed on his/her gaming system. What happens to the car and driver? They both crash and some bad thing happens quickly. Now plug Obama into my analogy.

I think Hillary would have had a better chance. There is now way Obama can carry Ohio,Pennsylvania,Florida, or michigan. Try winning the general election without those. Leave it to the Democrats to F*ck up an easy win!

I wonder who Obama will choose as his running mate. This election sure is gonna be interesting. I would have backed Hillary or Obama against any Republican...I sure hope he wins!

Yes, but his experience doesn't have anything to do with the people who support him. He can be the worst person that is suited for president ever, and there were still 40,000 people at his rally last night.

This statement means absolutely nothing, it does nothing to either prove your point, or even has anything to do with what we're talking about.



Do you know Obama's Past? He has gone to school and lived in other countries. He has grown up poor (or poorer than most politicians). He was a professor (of constitutional law), he was a community organizer, civil rights lawyer, state senator, and US senator. He has done a variety of things, and lived a variety of experiences. He also knows how to speak, If you ask me, he's more than qualified for the job of president.

John McCain on the other hand...I hate to be harsh here, but John McCain was born into a military family, had access to government run health care, Joined the military, was a POW, didn't like the fact he could not become an admiral, so he married his wealthy and well-connected new wife (after divorcing his old wife), and within a year began his political journey (with a history of only a military lense to view the world through). He remained a voice of independent thought until he decided that he really cared about winning the presidency in 2008 and so decided to turn hard-line republican shortly after the 2000 election, to shore up some votes for himself.

By contrast, Obama has been honest about what he has had to explain, he does not support positions that will obviously help him politically because he knows that these positions would not be in the best interests of the American people. He gets flak for a little while and then people warm up to his honesty.

John McCain also has a raging temper, while Obama is calm and collected. Do you want somebody who can fly off the handle to become your president? I think not.

Can we please put this matter of experience to rest, if John McCain is qualified (only seeing the world through one or two lenses), then Obama is more than qualified (seeing the world through many lenses, based on life experiences).What specific problem do these people have with Obama. People who claim lack of experience, what is it really? (I am not referring to race or anything else stupid here) I am referring to Obama's qualities, what has he done to rub you the wrong way? WHY do you think hes inexperienced? (is it simply his age?) Why do you think Hillary Clinton is MORE experienced? Why do you think John McCain would do a better job? I would really like to know.

Thank You

This is the same country that elected Bush - more than once

Yeah, I'm a little worried now.

I don't understand why everyone has to get so Anti-American at every single possible point.

But regardless of what you try to say, I was trying to say is that no one has faith in Obama because Hilary ISN'T the nominee. You guys act like Hilary Clinton as President would be the end of the {censored} rainbow. But she isn't. If most Hilary Clinton supporters, like MoC, vote for McCain because Barack is the nominee, I will have truly lost faith in the people.

Ralph Nader for president! Woohoo!

I agree 100%Ah yes, we elected bush. But according to the votes, Al Gore WON the election in 2000, but the supreme court decided that George W Bush won the election. Keep in mind it was very close.In 2004, the election was also close, but George W. won this election narrowly as well.The problem with America is distance. The problem is that we are too big. We have the burden of having many geographical regions within our country with many differing points of view. Neither side is really more powerful than the other at the moment, so this country will have radically different leaders through election cycles. There are a lot of good, hard-working, open minded, and intelligent Americans out there. The internet is helping like you wouldn't believe! Independent thought is returning again, I can see it (at least where I live). Let's hope its around (the internet) for our children to enjoy.

That helps him but not the country when decline will start.

It hasn't already declined? And you still haven't answered how Obama is 'less experienced' than McCain? Both are senators, although McCain has been one for longer now.

The decline of what? His supporters?

Lol, MoC, people are really clueless about what you are on about

George Bush won more electoral votes and thus won the election. Al Gore had a minority of electoral votes and didn't win. Learn the system before screaming about who won and who didn't.

The popular vote doesn't decide anything but the electors for that certain state. It was designed to keep the population centers of the country from running/rigging the election and policies.

Go Barak !

In a mature democracy the parties aren't too divergent in their views it's not like you Americans are going to choose between Communists and Nazis. Seeing from outside I really don't see much policy differences between the candidates and this is the case in much of the world. That being the case the candidate is more important than the parties and Obama IMHO wins hands down.

Uhm, his name is Barrack.

I know that, It just sucks when the electoral college is different than the way people REALLY voted. That's all. I am not always pretending to know something .

Also, I wasn't screaming, I wasn't even mad, because I know that's our system. But its kind of an "aw man...." kind of moment. I would have done a lot more to fight the process if the election was actually stolen.



Actually, its Barack. It is not a hard name to spell.

Also, nobody has refuted my claims on Barack Obama's experience, is it safe to say you guys agree? Or...?

Because McCain is a Republican and (tinkly brainwashing noise) Republicans are EVIL.It's not the qualities of a candidate. I like Obama as a person and he is very charismatic. As Hillary put it though, "You can't vote present as the President."

Barack Obama voted present 129 times during his time as an Illinois State Senator. However, he voted 4000 times. He voted present on issues which he felt were drafted unconstitutionally, or on measures he saw as part of a broader legislative strategy (which he did not agree with).

That doesn't sound that bad to me.

And for that matter, presidents don't vote (for legislation), but if you are translate a president's positions and public clout INTO a vote, then yes, presidents Can and HAVE voted present many times before. Any time a president says "it is not the place of the president to..." THAT is voting present.

Hillary oversimplifies the political process for the uneducated drone to understand.

I'm not going to sit here and criticize your choice. But I would like to point out that I think your analogy is faulty in that it fails to accurately reflect the position of the two candidates.

I'm not going to tell you that Obama has more experience than McCain. That would be silly. However, he was a state senator for 7 years and has been a U.S. senator for 3 years. That's not Need For Speed, that's legitimate experience in politics. It may not be as much as McCain, but at least in my opinion, I value agenda, charisma, and foreign policy expertise (don't say a word about McCain's "foreign policy expertise"; anyone who confuses Sunnis and Shiites and refers to "President Putin of Germany" and doesn't know what Al-Qaeda is or where they even are is in no way fit to run any country in the world) more than political experience. Experience isn't always best; perhaps what the country needs is a new look, a new pace. I personally think that the last 7 years are some of the darkest in recent history; and McCain will only elongate that period by keeping the country bankrupt with tax cuts and the war. This country is trillions in debt. You can't help that with tax cuts. We're going to need more taxes, unfortunately, and we're going to need to get out of Iraq, before we can begin digging ourselves out of the tremendous hole we have placed ourselves in.

I agree with you (mostly in the last few sentences)

Heres what were really looking at. Obama has LESS WASHINGTON POLITICIAN EXPERIENCE, but he has a VARIETY OF EXPERIENCE (doing different things outside politics). McCain's background is purely military and political, nothing else. It's no surprise that he sees the world through those terms.

Exactly. Part of the reason the last seven years have turned out is because we as a country are looking at everything straightforwardly and from a purely military and political standpoint. McCain is, at best, going to continue doing that. The country's subsequent further decline will reflect that.

No, we looked at it (and I loathe to do a bash, but there is no other choice) through Bush-ism. It was neither military nor political. It was, simply put, Bush's view on things.

Because the republicans are famous for their fear mongering, and because there are just enough morons in this country that always seem to fall for it. Who would have thought that bush would have been re-elected