http://distrowatch.com/weekly.php?issue=20080519#feature



And what a reader replied:



There are more replies along that line.

I recommend reading them, it is quite an education:

http://distrowatch.com/weekly.php?issue=20080519&mode=67

The reason Ubuntu is hated is simple its Popular.

Before Ubuntu all you use the hear on the internet was "dont use Windows use a proper OS like Linux" Now all you hear is "don't use Ubuntu use a proper distribution".

A lot of Linux users just like to be different and don't like it when they are not. This is probably because if their different they also think their better than other people.

Some of what those users say is true. Yes Ubuntu is nice for newbies but for Linux pros you can't stand it. Most pro Linux users ether use commercial distros or distros like openSuSE, Slackware, Debian, or Arch Linux.

Normal , I don't think its normal for everyone to hate ubuntu.

I mean why would a Gentoo user hate Ubuntu, Gentoo has its own goals and Ubuntu has its own.

I have my own reasons to hate it.

1. Its name "Ubuntu", I hate the name, though its not a reason to hate the OS but I think the name sucks. I know it means humanity and crap but who cares cause I would have people laugh their ass of for a name like this, even vista sounds cool.

2. It doesn't give equal treatment all desktop environments, no reason to explain what this point means.

3. Its default look, its horrible ugly, I know linux is customizable and all that, but that is no excuse for making the system look ugly by default. Remember that looks is something that attracts a lot of users, I know people who tried out Vista as soon as they could after its release just because of the way it looked.
If u use your own theme, it will never look as good as lets say OS X and all the custom themes I use, I get bored of them in a while whereas I never even bothered to change the theme of my Mac cause it looks cool.

4. Bugs, I hate bugs. Ubuntu and Kubuntu r filled with loads of bugs, here is an example, try cutting and pasting a file with D3lphin in kubuntu 8.04 kde 3.5.9 and see what happens.

5. Their bug fixing policy, they don't even bother fixing bugs and if u complain, the response u get is either:

1. Its free, u have no right to complain.

or

2. Did u contribute? No, then get lost.

They really have to improve bug fixing.

6. No innovation whatsoever, please tell me one thing in which Ubuntu innovated instead, they r just copy cats!

7. Nothing unique, I mean look at their Kde 4 release, they haven't done anything to make it unique, its just the default upstream Kde 4.

8. They don't have GUI tools like Yast I could easily configure stuff in SUSE using Yast for which I need to use the terminal in Ubuntu, thats crap and new users shouldn't have to put up with that.

9. Power management, their power management could make me cry.......seriously it sucks horribly. Laptops on which opensuse could suspend and hibernate on since version 10.1, I have managed to get ubuntu to hibernate on them with Hardy Heron, now thats just lame. The power management is never 100% reliable either, like u suspend to ram once, then u suspend to ram again, and the 3rd time network manager doesn't wake up or the system just hangs and crashes and all your work is lost.

10. Updates breaking stuff, this has happenned to me many times, I do an update and all of a sudden something just stops working, even on windows nothing has ever broke for me while updating.

I will add more reasons soon.

Edit:

People don't hate Ubuntu cause its popular, if its popular u want to use it. Just like how if someone is popular I would try to get to know them and become their friends rather than hate them u know.

Windows is the most popular OS in the world, we don't hate it because its popular....lol.

We hate Windows cause windows SUCKS, simple as that.

As for being different, I really don't care about being different, people who use linux r already different, if I really cared much about being different then I would use BSD. Sure being different is good, but if the thing thats different is better than what everyone else has then its better to be unique, no doubt.

Ubuntu enables people (human beings to be specific ) to use Linux on their desktop computers without having to read how to compile a module for card xy and so on.
It may not be #1 choice for a linux pro, but I think that's not the targetet audience. If other Distros want to gain market share they should to take a leaf out of Canonical's book.

Personally I never got warm with SuSE (used it since SuSE linux 5.9) As for me I appreciate the up-to-date repository. With Debian i had either do switch to "testing" or use unofficial packets in order to get something to work....

snakeeyes and the distrowatch comment hit every point on the head. I agreed with the original posters first paragraph, but stopped when he suggested people hate Ubuntu for the sake of hating it. My problem with Ubuntu is simple: it Just Doesn't Work ™ on recent hardware. Sure, Xubuntu runs like a champ out of the box on a pentium 3 and geforce 2 mx, but try getting Ubuntu to "just work" on an X48 intel chipset with a quad-core penryn, 8gb of RAM, and an ATI HD3870.

I hate it just because of that default brown colour and it uses Gnome!

(It doesn't matter that I can change it, so save the arguments. I know.)

knock knock, can i come in ?

anyways i use to be an avid linux user and i started off with openSuse, i progressed with it till 10.2, from there i moved to Tiger, and now leopard.
I personally hate ubuntu and it's because the marketing scheme as pointed... i actually ordered an ubuntu 7.10 cd online from Canonical and i actually got one within 2 weeks.. OMG, i didn't even want it, ubuntu default human theme reminds me of zombies.
while ubuntu did work on my hardware, it just plain didn't like it cause on most forums i'm on a poster goes :

poster : hey my windows sucks what linux can i try ?
reply : try ubuntu it's the best

the above is really g*y if you ask me... why not PCLinux ? or even sabayon ?

conclusion : ubuntu is for noobs and linux starters, i really can't see how a pro uses ubuntu.

cheers, thats my personal view

Hey as we all know ubuntu 8.10 will have a new theme, here is a suggested mock up that looks more like {censored} than the current one:

https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Artwork/Incoming/In...et=NewClear.png

Anyone feels somethings like the buttons below the menu bar were taken from Aqua, like I said they were copy cats.

Thanks, now I feel sick.

Your welcome!

Do I see Aero like transparency?

But noobs need something which works out of the box without problems, which seems not to be the case according to many posts at DistroWatch and here.
Actually I have have given up trying to understand why it has so many bugs. Slackware takes everything without any modifications and it works like a champ, guaranteed. It looks almost as if bugs were introduced on purpose in Ubuntu.

Bugs r introduced while packaging software.

I don't think its on purpose, they just have crappy, lazy, copy cat developers.



Like I said, COPY CATS!

Love my Ubuntu!!!

Gooo Linux elitists!!!
Good luck in founding the "I hate Ubuntu and my obnoxious opinion is on every single topic" Crybabies Association.

Cry Babies Association Incorporated

Welcome to and lets begin our first meeting.

Ladies and Cry Baby Germs!

First topic to discuss:

How much do we hate Ubuntu?

Second topic to discuss:

Who thinks the new theme mock up is crap?

Lets begin............

Edit:

We have a cry baby association and ubuntu devs have a copy cat association.

arhahahahah dude how did i not see your post !! lool , that made my day



yeah mate i agree, there's this forum I'm on and they always blattering on about the dumb a** aero interface. i don't see anything fancy with aero.. and then there's this so call dreamscenes... does dreamscene and aero help you in your daily task or workload ? HELL NO
i'd rather go with windows classic.

on topic : man u guys rock, never seen a place where people hate ubuntu so much !!!

Eye candy does help u in your work, os x has loads of nice effects like expose that helps me while working.

Whether or not a cool UI helps in working it still motivates u to use that machine for your work, and it makes the work more enjoyable, I enjoy working on aero more than windows classic but some people may have a different view.

These days systems have to be good looking, everybody likes a good looking system.

If windows classic is a better interface for productivity then maybe u can ask the ubuntu devs to make the default theme that. Let us enjoy our good looking systems with aqua and oxygen and aero

I just won the game

Doesn't Slackware focus on older packages the ones that have been stable and tested for a very very long time?

They try to make a fusion of both. That is some of the purest Linux on Earth™

Isn't it the most difficult as well?

Actually did you read the first post carefully (the part written by Ladislav)?
It isn't against Ubuntu at all.



Not always. Take the latest release, everything is bleeding edge. No KDE4, though, Patrick doesn't use anything which isn't thoroughly tested. He did the same with Linux (the kernel) 2.6, he waited until it was rock-solid.
As to it being difficult, everything must be manually configured, but personally I don't find it a big deal.
What I really don't like is the absence of a "proper" package manager. Also, there are too few binaries for Slackware.
That is why at the end of the day I use OpenSUSE or Debian.

I was refferring to

...this.

Why, because that argument is not real, though everybody started jumping around shouthing "copycats", I do agree that it is ugly as though. Of course it is copycat but that image has nothing to do with the looks of the final release of Ubuntu 8.10 whatsoever. It is a mockup made by a user. Period.
I was a subscriber to the Ubuntu-art mailing list, and hundreds of mockups like this popped up every month. Some of them really made me puke, this is one of the reasons I've unsubscribed(the othoer one was that I got like 15 ubuntu-art mails every day:lol:).
Anyways, none of these mockups made it no more than just photoshopped images, and there is 95% chance that this is not going to change.
Kenneth Wimer(he is part of the team that made the Oxygen icon theme for KDE4) is the guy responsible for the looks of Ubuntu 8.04, and as I saw his past works, he's not gonna dissapoint

Yes, I stated it was a mockup, and we know that this is probably not going to be the default theme.

Are there any official art works for the next release?

I found an interesting reply (rebuttal?) to what Ladislav wrote:

http://beranger.org/index.php?page=diary&a...ions-in-the-lat

I find this sentence funny (written by Ladislav):

"it (Ubuntu) also exists (according to another Linux company's CEO) for the sole purpose of destroying all other distributions that exist on the market"

Which Linux company's CEO said that? I am curious.

(I'll confess you something: the above is my main, secret reason for my deep Ubuntu dislike )

A strange sentence, really
1)What is wrong with Debian Stable?
2)What is wrong with using Debian Testing? Usually it is more stable than the final release of many distributions.
3)If you didn't like Debian Testing, you should like Ubuntu even less, as Ubuntu is a snapshot of Debian Unstable.
4)If you want the most up-to-date packages, Ubuntu is the wrong choice, because a couple of weeks after release, Debian Testing will be more up-to-date.
Or, if you want the very latest, use Debian Sid or Sidux, which according to each of its users (I am not one of them) is very stable.

InorganicMatter says: "Ubuntu: an ancient African word meaning "I failed at installing the real Debian."




Another strange sentence, which should mean:
1) Ubuntu works out of the box, without effort: not true according to a lot of people.
2)Ubuntu is for (lazy) human beings, thus all the other distributions are for animals.
Those animals are apparently smarter than human beings, because they can "read how to compile a module for card xy and so on"

Till now no one has been able to give any proper good reason as to why they like ubuntu.

No, not yet.
Expect it sometime around September.

Do u have links to any other screenshots? Nothing official, just mock ups.

It will take a lot of work to make gnome good looking, no offense to gnome users. I don't even think its possible.

The mockups rarely contain something nice, but here you go..

https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Artwork/Incoming/Intrepid

These mockups are submitted by the users, not the team who are in charge

Thanks I will take a look

Here is something that looks decent at least compared to others but I am sure someone will yet out it looks like vista and this theme won't be accepted.

https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Artwork/Incoming/In...tu-intrepid.png

Ubuntu gets the flack simply because it's popular.
It's Windows syndrome.

I find Ubuntu is quite good, it's easy to set up, and has been more reliable and easier to get running 100% on my Powerbook then any other distro, and believe me, I've tried many! (Including OpenSuse, which didn't work for me at all, sorry Alessandro17 )

Fail. Ubuntu is no way more reliable than Slackware or OpenSuSE...

It is amazing how much the "wright" (or wrong) hardware can make all the difference.
However in the case of Ubuntu I have tried it on 5 different computers (not yet tried on my brand new laptop) and it has never been reliable for me. From the information I have gathered from the countless posts about Ubuntu everywhere, it would seem that Ubuntu works better on older hardware (which I never have, because I tend to sell my computers when they are 2 years old )

I strongly suspect that if Ubuntu works well for your Powerbook, Debian Proper would as well. Personally I find Debian a very rewarding distribution, albeit slightly more difficult than Ubuntu.

I r tired of all the Ubuntu bashing...stop its hurting my poor eyes *cries*

Except that the first and last (before yours) posts of this thread are not Ubuntu bashing at all

It's the setup that annoys me. I couldn't get wireless working at all on suse, but on Ubuntu, it worked out of the box.
I'll have to see how OpenSuse 11 is though, it looks promising, and nice, at least.

I think the reason is that opensuse by default only contains the free or open source drivers alone and nothing else? Am I right or wrong here? Not sure but thats what I have heard, my laptop with suse has its wireless working out of the box on any distro so I can't really tell.

Those recent screenshots of OpenSUSE look like a Windows XP rip off.

I didn't know that Luna came back in style (or ever was).

Sounds like stupid "nerd-rage".

I'm currently running Ubuntu as my main OS, but have used flavors of Linux (Slack, RedHat, Suse, Mandrake etc) in the pass, and think its a great distribution. These vocal zealots need to get the f*ck over it.

That default kde title bar colors r not because of a xp rip off, they r even set as default in the up stream kde, the reason is because someone complained that its difficult to tell apart the inactive window from the active one, other than that I don't know how it looks a bit like xp?

Ubuntu, who? OK I admit that I do have a disc (strange part is that they managed to accommodate the entire OS within 700 Megs), but I use that only as a Live CD and to use Gparted. No further. It was quite useful to format my HDD prior to Leopard installation I might add.

As far as looks go, openSUSE running KDE is the best among all Linux distros and Aqua is the best among all OSs.

Maybe if ubuntu didnt run like vista trying to run on a 266mhz setup then maybe i'd like ti abit more.

Maybe if all the members at the forums were not so stuck up their asses i'd like the distro a little more.

I find it amusing that mac users get flack for apparently being high and mighty, but ubuntu users are ALOT worse.

I think you just proved it with swearing nonsense just to get your point across.

Ubuntu may be easy but its the worst distro you can come across speed wise...functional wise..and looks wise, poo stain brown? no thankyou.

Hehe, I though I saw that design a moment ago when I went to flush the toilet...

Damn, the thread is fulla fanboys. I triple boot, ubuntu, vista, and osx. All three are great, all three have their points. The other linux distros IMO do not help me do what I need to do. From a strictly professional standpoint. Time Spent and Functionality needs to equal money. I can do that with these 3 OS'es. The other Linux distro's cannot do that for me. Got to use the OS for productivity, if not, you are just a fanboy.

lol

Not sure where these "bugs" are coming from. I've used Ubuntu for over 2 years, tried it on many computers and never had a stability problem with anything. Occasionally, someone will get this strange wireless card that no one has heard of & it won't work with ndiswrapper, but other than that Ubuntu has been quite stable for me.

Now, why would want someone want to run Ubuntu over Debian?

-Automated setup. Get a working desktop environment in a short amount of time.
-Up-to-date. Debian Testing is a nice rolling release distro, but rolling releases require one to dist-upgrade constantly. This can be quite annoying at times.
-Extremely large community.

Of course, my biggest gripe is that there's no control panel, which is kinda necessary for new users. Hopefully if the opensuse devs ever fix YaST and its horribly slow package management (took them 3 releases to get it half-right), I can begin to recommend opensuse more.

I don't understand what is so annoying about dist-upgrading and why it should be done "constantly".
How about once a month?
Needless to say, I see zero advantages of running Ubuntu over Debian.
As to the "automated setup" use one of the countless Debian derivatives which are based on Debian Proper (but personally I love the great Debian flexibility, and anyway, if you use the task "desktop", you'll get something very similar to Ubuntu but a lot better, IMO).