Hi, openSUSE devs want votes on which bugs need to be fixed first before openSUSE 11.0 is released, and they are fixing all kinds of bugs, so it would be great if everyone gave there votes on which bugs to fix before release.

http://news.opensuse.org/2008/05/19/opensu...r-vote-on-bugs/

I suggest ask them to fix all kde 4 bugs before the kde team does.

Attention OpenSuse Users.

Yeah...lol, I should have said openSUSE users, but its still linux and whoever helps out, it will benefit us all.

Shouldn't they fix all bugs before they release version 11?

Like they said, on the link, its impossible to fix each and every bug before release now isn't it?

If operating systems can be released bug free then why is there a need for updates?

If u use Mac OS X like the rest of us, then what do u think the update from Mac OS X 10.5.0 to 10.5.1 to 10.5.2 does?

It fixes bugs, security issues and adds a bit more functionality.

Don't forget that KDE 4 isn't super stable and the kde devs aren't going to fix all the immediately but opensuse has to fix many up stream bugs as well so the suse developers r going to try and fix as many bugs they can themselves which is not something all distros do.

Surely the bugs they have found should be fixed before release. How can linux ever hope to make a dent in the desktop market when most of the distros are buggy. They should concentrate less on bleeding edge technology and more on stability and reliability.

KDE4 is a joke how can the call that a stable release I dont know. I tried it on Fedora 9 it was unusable. I just hope oS11 inst going to be rushed to a deadline like KDE4 was.

You already know that even commercial systems like Mac OS X and Windows r released with bugs, the main difference is that they don't show you the bugs that exist, even Safari on Mac OS X has a bug reporting tool.

Most of the linux distros may be buggy but have u tried opensuse? OpenSUSE, the major reason I like it is because it isn't buggy and an update just doesn't break the system. OpenSUSE is the only linux distro I have ever used where I can spend time getting work done reather than hanging around in forums asking for help with problems. Thats not all OpenSUSE has the latest software all the time and the system still doesn't break like for example ubuntu 8.04 has openoffice 2.4 whereas I run 2.4 on suse 10.3. That means they continuously back port software and still manage to keep stability and that is again credit for the suse team.

OpenSUSE has more kde developers than any other distro working for them, u might not know this but opensuse devs r fixing majority of the bugs in kde 4 themselves rather than just waiting for kde developers fixing them, and they have made their own modifications and have even back ported features from future releases unlike kubuntu and fedora which just give u the upstream kde.

The distro u tried is just a testing ground for Redhat, nothing more than that. Kubuntu is just a community project and no effort goes into it like ubuntu gets. Novell on the other side is a business trying to make money out of linux and in order to do that, they have to make a good release.

You haven't used Suse long enough if you are truly convinced an update doesn't break the install...

You are right of course, it would be nice for others to help out, unfortunately it would mean I have to install openSuse. That's not going to happen, ever.

Which distro do u use, I mean do u use linux at all?

I have been using openSUSE since 10.2 on a variety of machines ever since 10.2 came out on both desktops and laptops.

I had a hell of a time trying to get a DNS server working correctly in SuSE. They put their files in weird places and call them weird things, but that is the price you pay for all those fancy GUI's that work sometimes. On the other hand, setting up Apache and DHCP was almost too easy.

I've been using Linux since the mid-90's, I've used SuSE in the past (even bought it once, 7.3 iirc) and decided I didn't like it. Upon reading all the hooha about opensuse 11 I decided to try it again, and have found nothing but bugs & crashes.. Like I said in my other post, beta is beta, and bugs are to be expected, so I figured I'd wait for release before passing any kind of judgement..

But let me say this: I've run testing & unstable linux before, I've run redhats, mandrake/mandrivas, slackware (almost continuously) debians, ubuntus and all manner of others and I have *never* seen so many segfaults, bugs, crashes & corruption *ever* (ok, possible exception was the first release of mklinux on ppc, which had great difficulty getting as far as the login prompt) For instance: it failed to recognise my Apple keyboard, regardless of what keymap etc I chose (best I got was that certain letters would generate a digit onscreen, maybe it thinks it's a keypad?) I've tried the 32-bit & the 64-bit cd versions of beta 2 & 3 with KDE4 on 3 different machines... should I be trying something else?

Like I said, beta is beta, but this feels more like alpha with too much eye candy, and has a looooooong way to go before I'd move it from a "crazy experiment" machine to a "might be used for something" box. I seriously fear for their release schedule.

To give it its due, the installer is very slick & clever, although it often takes a couple of attempts to actually complete (excusable in a beta, once again) but to me, this feels like they have tried to leap too far, too fast.

Like u said its a development release and u can't judge anything before the final release. If u feel Kde 4 isn't stable even after all the work the suse devs will put into it then there is always kde 3.5.9 and gnome and XFCE. There is one single thing I think every kde user knows that no one knows how to do kde like opensuse and if they can't make a good kde 4 release then no one can, simple as that.

I am going to assume u r talking about the beta when u say u have never had so many crashes, that is why there r taking bug fixing votes. Remember that this version of opensuse will be bleeding edge and there have been major changes like fast package management and quicker install time. You have to expect some problems and I think they will be solved before the release.

Did u at least make bug reports for the problems u faced?

No need to assume, if you read the post, rather than rushing to reply, you'll see I specified precisely which versions I'm running.

My point is that this has, IMO *absolutely no hope* of being usable for a very long time, and taking a vote for which bugs to fix is simply proof that they have too many of them.

Regardless of distro preferences etc.. I was genuinely open to them doing something new & good, or I wouldn't have bothered trying it. Maybe they have tricks up their sleeves, maybe it'll come right, but generally I don't believe in miracles.

oh, p.s. the first beta of Dyne:bolic was almost as bad, come to think of it, and that was made by a couple of guys in their bedroom.

I have been running beta 3 since beta 1 was released and have only 3 hard lock ups and a few apps crashing in kde4.

Your view of it having no hope is just your view, we will see how it is once the final release is out.

idk I've only tried it for around an hour before uninstalling. I liked it but it was a little buggy imho. Slackware has always been my distro of choice anyway

Exactly its in development, its supposed to be buggy.

Wait for the final release before u make a confirmed opinion of it.

It has always been normal for SUSE/openSUSE to be buggy before the final. In the past, development wasn't open to public.
On the other hand, Debian testing is quite stable a few months after a release. But Debian is different: their policy is to keep testing reasonably bugs-free, and their release cycle is rarely shorter than 2 years.

The first Suse I ever saw was 6.0 I think...

Me too, but the 10.3 will be the last I'll ever see.

why is 10.3 the last?

- most important no LTS!

- KDE configs partially through gconf
- community used as 'Guinea pigs' for Novell's SLE products
- too much influence of Novell, like no genuine support for AMD/ATI cards.
- very often crappy updates

For new to GNU/linux who wants KDE is openSUSE a great distro, but not for me anymore.

Is LTS that important for desktops? Suse supports older versions for quite some time, I think 10.1 will be discontinued this year or something. As for servers Novell has Suse Linux Enterprise so there is no need for LTS, don't u agree?

Community used as Guinea pigs? Yeah right, don't u think its Redhat that does this to Fedora, openSUSE is still a bit more independent as its a commnity project sponsored by Novell.

Novell sponsors it then obviously Novell will influence it, which ATI card never worked, they have worked for me and as for compiz until recently many cards had to use xgl if they were of ATI.

Crappy updates, u means ones that break the system, never happenned to me on suse, thats something that happens more on ubuntu.

Which distro r u going to continue using though?

So why then providing LTS for SLED?
Btw, support for openSUSE is already discontinuated: http://en.opensuse.org/SUSE_Linux_Lifetime
However there are still issues on Build-Service to be resolved. Please check with the Build-Service mailing list for more insight.


Same thing, but I dont use Fedora


I don't remember having stated that there is no possibility to install ATi on openSUSE, but there is no repository for ATI drivers as there is one for nvidia.


Well I guess you've missed some kernel-updates. Btw, I wouldn't even dream of using Ubuntu.


Migrated to gentoo last month, the custom made one.
As for server I'm using centos for long time already.

Yes, there is one:

http://en.opensuse.org/ATI_Driver_HOWTO#St...kage_repository



I don't believe it is quite the same thing. OpenSUSE is a complete desktop OS in its own right.
Fedora misses too many features to be a desktop OS, or it needs a lot of extra work.

I have never had a kernel update break my system and I have been doing kernel updates on loads of machines.

Like Alessandro17 said suse does have an ATI repo.

That's great! Since when is it online? AFAIK it wasn't there in march or so. I got some friends who will be very pleased for knowing work this repo. Thx for the intel m8.

EDIT:
Looks like the repo has been there for some time. I've just missed it. Sorry for the FUD then.


Of course there are differences, as Fedora AFAIK provides strictly opensource code, where openSUSE is not. Btw, openSUSE would also be much less "desktop" if not third-party repositories like packman would contribute. Nevertheless both so called 'community distros' are in fact company driven and thus the only thing that counts is the (redhat/novell) shareholder value.

But guys don't get me wrong. I still think that openSUSE as for KDE and Ubuntu for Gnome do a great job. They bring MS Windows users to GNU/Linux. Nevertheless for me none of them is suitable anymore. I just dont like beeing labrat for too long.

Since when does suse concern all Linux users anyways?

That is yet another proof of the great sense of community Ubuntu users have.

For example they forgot to provide xfs in one of their kernelupdates, if you updated your kernel, used xfs and the machine wasn't physical avaible to you, you were pretty much {censored}ed.

And I don't see much of a difference between openSuse and Fedora too. They both call themselves community based, but the decisions where to head are basicly made by the companies. Novell and Redhat base their commercial distros on their "community based" branches, so yes in a way the users are just labrats.

In the end it won't matter for new users and if they like it, they should use it. But there is no "best" distribution for various reasons, so please stop calling for linux users when you mean openSuse users. And advertising never worked that way.

First of all whether I called opensuse users or not u would have read the thread anyway regardless of being an opensuse user.

Second, the more people help out the better the release will be and there r some really old linux users here who can identify bugs they think r more critical compared to me and vote for those to be fixed.

Don't people want opensuse 11 to be great, its the only linux distro whose kde 4 implementation is worth using, I mean have u used kubuntu's or fedora's kde 4? Its better those distros stop supporting kde at all rather than make those crappy releases they do every 6 months.

When Novell gives sources for SLED/SLES free like Redhat does so we could have a 'community SLE' in the manner of centos I will gladly again contribute to openSUSE project.

So what u mean is people can't earn a profit anymore of what THEY have made?

This has nothing to do with SLE, opensuse is a community project and its source code is available and u will be directly contributing to that.

How about this:

http://opsamericas.com/?p=497

Nice try. There are no current patches inside.

Sorry. I didn't see that comment.

And a great example of suse users' exaggerated self-importance....
I'll stop if you'll stop. Deal?

No, I wouldn't. Would be like looking in a Windows forum. And again you decide for others what is a worthy implementation and what is not. Besides I don't use KDE at all.

Hey no one has forced u to vote, a majority of the people would have opened the thread just to read what it was about anyway.

If I had written "ATTENTION OPENSUSE USERS" I am sure some people would have been interested to know why I am calling them.

Right. Because all peole want is to read about opensuse. I myself wouldn't have read it.
I am a linux user but I don't use suse yet the title was calling for me, a linux user to find out about suse.
The topic title should reflect the content, not to be a tool to gather views. It's just not right.
It would be some explanation if most linux users would use suse but it's not even the case.
That speaks of self-importance and egoism.

Listen man, can u please shut up? I just wanted as many linux users to vote and that {censored} it, nothing more. I was not trying to reflect self importance or any other crap, get it?

You didn't like it, don't vote. Simple as that!

Gentlemen, behave. Everyone has their own favourite OS'es, but there is a *vast* difference between discussion & promotion.
This is primarily an OS X forum, with multibooting of all & sundry OS'es as a secondary consideration.
Platform wars/distro wars are idiotic, and should be beneath us here.
After all, the whole point of this place is to show that you can run whatever you want on your hardware, not to shove your opinions down others' throats, nor to provide a soapbox for promoting what *you* consider the best OS ever.

The point that the topic is mis-titled is well taken, and it has been adjusted. Please stick to the topic from here on.

Thanks

Please vote for this bug:

https://bugzilla.novell.com/show_bug.cgi?id=396143

it is about keeping the YaST Community Repositories module which, IMO, is one of the best enhancements of the last few years.