I just checked out Beta 3 in live cd and I have to say its great.

They have fixed many bugs that r still present kubuntu 8.04 kde, I have to compare it with them cause I am not sure if any other distro has released a kde 4 distro yet.

Panel resizing and stuff and moving it around works great, plasma is stable, the desktop looks amazing and yes they have backported a lot of stuff mainly features.

I can't wait for their final release, oh yeah the annoying crash of konqueror or something that used to happen when u log out doesn't happen to me on suse.

The thing I didn't like was that gtk apps use the gtk theme still, I think suse devs should make a custom theme for firefox in kde 4.

Well, I installed beta 2 and was somewhat unimpressed by it, but on reading this I figured I'd boot it up & see if I could update, only to find that somehow it's managed to trash initrd & won't boot anymore

oh well, beta is beta.. Just thought I'd share that little amusement.

yeah, its improving no doubt but its still a beta and it still isn't near what a final release should be like in my opinion but at least my worries about making kde 4 default r disappearing

I agree. I think opensuse will be way ahead of other distributions regarding KDE4.

Yeah opensuse always did kde the best, they even do great with gnome, and this time even xfce.

Excellent art work, excellent stability, most polished, and lightening fast package management.

The suse devs r going to make other distros cry........

Glad to hear the logout bug is fixed, that one was really annoying. I'm with you on the GTK themes, I really wish they'd fix that by default. Regardless, it's an easy fix, just wish they'd include it by default.

I really wish they'd include binary drivers for ATI and NVIDIA cards, and enable compositing by default. I know some people won't use closed source binary drivers, but those who don't want it will know how to remove it, and it sure would make life easy for the rest of us!



Seriously. I'm sure Forceman is already pounding out his angry anti-Novell-anti-KDE reply for this thread, but I'm telling you what, OpenSUSE 11 is going to be Linux's OSX. It's going to be THE distro. that catapults Linux into mainstream computers. It's going to finish the revolution that Ubuntu started.

Maybe I should do request in the suse forums for them to install this by default, it will really help us. Knowing suse I am sure their devs would have thought of it though, after all it is suse.

I don't really have an opinion on the drivers though, but yeah it would be great if they did.

I agree 100% that opensuse will be linux's OS X.

Don't forget suse's major problem has been fixed in this release, super fast package management.

I just posted on the suse forums the link u provided me InorganicMatter. I also told them to install the bespin theme by default as well, it will save new users the trouble of compiling.

Installed it, and the latest beta binary NVIDIA driver. It was great, until the kernel panics started. Not too sure who is at fault here, but it is a beta OS running beta drivers, sooooo, yeah, not going to pass any judgement yet. I like what I've seen so far, a lot. Battery life on my laptop is finally on par with Windows Vista (right at 3 hours), instead of what Ubuntu and the current OpenSUSE give me (1.5 hours).

So battery life is finally alright? Thats good news, I think it had something to do with kernel 2.6.22 on some laptop models. What about Ubuntu 8.04, is the bug in it fixed?

As far as kernel panics go, can u do a bug report, did u use the latest drivers 173.08 beta?

This page has some of the most annoying bugs, it might help:

http://news.opensuse.org/2008/05/16/announ...use-110-beta-3/

I notice there is a patch for the nvidia driver u might want to look at.

During Alpha and Beta development, openSUSE devs do a lot of experimenting, thus it is normal to find (plenty of) bugs, no drivers, no third party repos like Packman...
By the time RC1 is released, things should be a lot more settled, but it takes a couple more weeks before the final is released to make sure that the Gold Master is as bug free as humanly possible.

Edit: tonight it was possible to add extra repositories. Just configure Online Update, I was suggested to do so.
Also I installed the (beta) Nvidia driver the old-fashioned way and everything was OK.
If things keep going this well, by RC1 I might replace openSUSE 10.3 with 11.

Hey can someone up load the suse 11 wallpaper here, cause I ain't at home so I can't get it from my beta install.

Which one? The default KDE4 green one?

yeah, thanks please

It has been uploaded too small. Sorry, I can't understand why.

Edit: apparently it has been uploaded too small because the file is bigger than what ImageShack accepts.

After yesterday's YaST update, the artwork for 11 seems now complete. Very nice!
Now looking forward to RC1.

Novell Enterprise Linux 10 SP2 came out today!

I'm rather psyched about a usable KDE 4 distribution. Hopefully 4.1 lands before or very shortly after OpenSuSE 11.0 does. SuSE definitely does a lot of things right and if 11.0 delivers it will be my recommendation for our company. The seamless Windows domain integration is extremely crucial for a company doing a migration.

According to the roadmap, KDE 4.1 should be released in July, and normally made available by openSUSE within a couple of days.

http://tuxenclave.wordpress.com/2008/02/02...d-future-goals/

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thanks again for the desktop

But can you use it? If you can't, I'll try a different solution.

Just a heads up - ATI released a new binary driver today. Here's hoping it supports the 2.6.25 kernel in openSUSE 11 (didn't before). Installing now, will let you guys know what happens.

You should keep it in vector format so that resolution doesn't matter (.svg).

The ATI drivers didn't work. To compile the kernel module, it requires gcc, make, kernel-sources, and kernel-headers. I installed all those with YaST, but it still wouldn't work. The log said it couldn't find version.h. Every header file seems to be there except version.h. What's up with this?

Sorry for the late reply but its working great, its on a laptop.

OK, great

Now the artwork is being finalized, everything looks stunning beautiful, especially in KDE4.
In my humble opinion, it is the most beautiful OS I have ever seen.
It is neither "over the top" (like Vista) nor "toyish"

screenshots if u can please.......

nice

is the panel resizing working perfectly now? I still haven't updated my machine cause I am at cousins these days, and how is compositing?

They are working fine. But as I have already said in this forum, I'll be using KDE 3.5 for still some time to come.

OpenSuse is looking really good.
The Gnome theme is really nice.

I might give it a go on my Powerbook once it's out.

Does OpenSuse support synaptic? That's one thing I can't live without

I think opensuse does have synaptic in its repos, but their new improvements to yast kick synaptics ass and installing software is going to be even easier than synaptic once the final release is out.

I was a specialist of apt4rpm and synaptic, years ago.
It was replaced by smart package manager because apt4rpm is unmaintained and doesn't support repomd repositories very well. However the upcoming YaST package manager is going to be one of the fastest and intuitive of any distro.
I say it as a big Debian fan: apt is great, but the new YaST isn't second to anything. Among others, it is the best at solving conflicts. With apt I have often to use the arcane "dpkg -i --force" command.
Another issue with apt is that if it is interrupted for whatever reason, you'll have to use the CLI again: "dpkg --configure -a". It doesn't happen with YaST.

and yast supports delta rpms as well which will speed things up for those that might still be on dial up

Cool, as long as there is an easy package manger with a wide selection of packages, I'll be happy

It's amazing they've never come up with something like synaptic for Mac...

Mac OS X and OpenSUSE r too COOL to for synaptic.

In order to use apt/synaptic you need central repositories, and all the packages must have the same free licence.
They can't have a licence where you have to pay, accept agreements, where a dev wants to advertise himself...
Debian and openSUSE have some packages which require the user to accept a licence, but they are very few (and of course you don't have to use them).

Try Fink!

Fink mostly compiles from source, and not native Mac applications.

I wonder how the Macbook support is on OpenSUSE 11? Hardy Heron broke a few things that worked in Gutsy and Fedora 9 is pretty good, but I have other problems with that distribution (it's KDE4 implementation is horrible!)

I am sorry, I can't help you there. Never owned a real Mac.

Well I am not sure but suse will have kernerl 2.6.25 so wireless should work cause this kernel is going to have loads of wireless drivers and so should everything else if they worked in fedora cause I think fedora has 2.6.25 as well.

OpenSUSE's power management from my experience is better than fedora's so I think that might work well as well. If the hardware worked well in fedora 9, then it should work equally well if not better in suse 11.0 according to me, but I can't guarantee anything, sorry.

s'ok mate, the news about the kernel and the wireless drivers was insightful enough