(OT) Tiger on PS3 ?

Doubtful. The cell really doesn't have the kind of PPC core that should be running an OS.

aaah not another one (PS USER)

let me explain why that wont happen remember when ps1 came out well i bought one and you remember that extra slot on the back people said sony was gonna let you get online and play with other users (like xbox live) -> (because sega saturn and sega tv was out with something similar) well that never happened and then sony or someone came out with a rumor claiming that was going to be a playstation where you can make your own game well there was'nt sony just wants your money and they would always come out with something new to keep you buying ps2 analog sticks,new colors,sideways stand, and they always add ports to it to make your wonder about it like ps2 has a mini usb port (dont say it before psp was even thought of) why?

A: they break down easy some kind of way (used to have to flip mines over for the disk to play)

B: while all the other games systems had four game ports n64 and xbox sony didnt they wanted you to buy an accesorie (ps3 will be wireless)

c:not easy to fix without going to store and changing out parts or switching stickers and returning your unit as the new one before 30days

there was a lot more for me to type but i decided to keep it short truth is xbox or any other gamesystem will always be better because thier easier to fix or just better i think the nintendo famicom is better than playstation and people always whining about thier broke ps2 and i brage about my 3 hacked up xbox's that ive added light to and look like thieve been asimilated by the borg (you cant even find the screw holes to ps2)

good thing is ps3 will have wireless controller so will xbox but thats about all while xbox will beat its speed with its 3.2 ghz dual core processors and water cooled processors and new 20gb hd (you have to buy ps2 a hd and it only serves one puprose and a few game very few at that) and more (and psp compatible xbox 1 even recognizes psp i tried) and i dont think ps3 will have a network card again this time around

thats all

oh ps

yeah i know you fonygaystation 2 user can run linux so can the lame cube where do you store more than 16mb of memory working in linux

plus playstation would never use full pc parts again theyre to cheap so go dream os x on ps 2 somewhere else yeah it may be possible to get a broke down version of it on there but whats the use you cant save any files or anything?

dont know if you know this but

sony did make a PS that let you make your own games. it was released a long time ago. and wasnt in the shops to buy.

here is the info i could find on Sonys "net Yaroze" PS

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Net_Yaroze

Doubtful.  The cell really doesn't have the kind of PPC core that should be running an OS.

The so called "Cell-processor" is really the first part of a line chips that will be known as having the "Cell-architecture" (IBM also calls this the Broadband Processor Architecture (BPA)). The Cell-architecture per se has varying numbers of PPE cores (which use the PPC instruction set) and SPE cores. The SPE cores are like math-coprocessors and not design to run the OS, while the PPE cores are more general.

The "Cell-processor" processor to be used inthe PS3 has only one PPE core. It should be very simple to run PPC Darwin on the PS3, because almost no modification needs to be done (but it would take some serious work to get the SPEs usuable via Darwin). One could probably then just copy the remaning PPC OS X system files from a regular Mac installation and run OS X. I fullly expect this to be done because it is so easy, but performance is not going to be great with only one PPE core, because unlike normal POWER cores they do not support out-of-order-execution and have no branch prediction capability, yet I would expect it to more than acceptable. Furthermore, Sony clearly wants Apple to release an OS X version for the PS3 and given that Apple really needs to be focusing on growing it's user base (which I think the switch to x86 is really all about), it is possible, but unlikely, that you will be able to buy OS X for PS3 from Apple.

A better question would running OS X on Xbox 360's Xeon chip (which is a Cell-architecture variant) which has 3 PPE cores and no SPEs. As OS X is fairly well multi-threaded, the XBox would theoretically be up to three times faster than the PS3 for running it. Here, I think this may turn into a question of moding the XBox 360 to disable whatever hardware execution control they will certainly be using (which of course could be a DMCA violation in the US, so it really should not be discussed in this forum). Nevertheless, with the latest PS3 rumors suggesting that it may not even launch until 2007, while the Xbox 360 is released to the public in a few months, I would expect to see quite a few people running OS X on the XBox 360, and again the software side of it seems rather trivial for either machine.

The other thing to consider here is, of course, the Nintendo Revolution. The lastest rumors that I have read, suggest that Nintendo could be using an actual dual-core G5 (the PPC 970MP that IBM just announced), which mean that it should run OS X very well. Like the XBox 360, if that rumor turns out to be true, we should expect the question of running OS X to again really turn into a "moding" issue.

This is a good forum site for the Cell: http://cell-processor.net/news.php

Doubtful.  The cell really doesn't have the kind of PPC core that should be running an OS.

 

The so called "Cell-processor" is really the first part of a line chips that will be known as having the "Cell-architecture" (IBM also calls this the Broadband Processor Architecture (BPA)). The Cell-architecture per se has varying numbers of PPE cores (which use the PPC instruction set) and SPE cores. The SPE cores are like math-coprocessors and not design to run the OS, while the PPE cores are more general.

 

The "Cell-processor" processor to be used inthe PS3 has only PPE core. It should be very simple to run PPC Darwin on the PS3, because almost not modification need to be none. One could probably then just copy the remaning PPC OS X system files from a regular Mac installation and run OS X. I fullly expect this to be done because it is so easy, but performance is not going to be great with only one PPE core, because unlike normal POWER cores they do not support out-of-order-execution and no branch prediction capability, yet I would expect it to more than acceptable. Furthermore, Sony clearly wants Apple to release an OS X version for the PS3 and given that Apple really needs to be focusing on growing it's user base (which I think the switch to x86 is really about), it is possible, but unlikely, that you will be able to buy OS X for PS3 from Apple.

 

A better question would running OS X on Xbox 360's Xeon chip (which is a Cell-architecture variant) which has 3 PPE cores and no SPEs. As OS X is fairly well multi-threaded, the XBox would theoretically be up to three times faster for running it. Here, I think this may turn into a question of moding the XBox 360 to disable whatever hardware execution control they will certainly be using (which of course could be a DMCA violation in the US, so it really should not be discussed in this forum). Nevertheless, with the latest PS3 rumors suggest that it may not even launch until 2007, while the Xbox 360 is released to the public in a few months, I would expect to see quite a few people running OS X on the XBox, and again the software side of it seems rather trivial for either machine.

 

The other thing, to consider here is of course Nintendo. The lastest rumors that I have read, suggest that Nintendo could be using an actual dual-core G5, which mean that it should run OS X very well. Like the XBox 360, if that rumor turns out to be true, we should expect the question of running OS X to again really turn into a "moding" issue.

 

This is a good forum site for the Cell:http://cell-processor.net/news.php

That's basically what I wanted to say but didn't have the time to get into. Thanks! *claps* I wanted to get into the reasoning of why in-order execution is bad for an OS (thus why I think OS X on the Cell isn't extremely likely, at least IMO).

oh ok i never seen it out of the magazine but anyway if sony cared about us why didnt they release thier steroid taking ps2 the psx people woulda bought it here it came in white black pearl red blue and woodgrain color only in japan thought why do they always get the cool stuff they had psp months before we did like xbox 360 im starting to think some companies dont like us that much like microsft they are american but they game systems come out there before here and the games they have nice game we cant even start to think about

i think William and his boys know what they are doing everthing ms comes up with is hackable or exploitable or has a preview the beta os's i think m$ lets out on the internet themselves to let people have a taste of the future and thier gaming hardware is also hackable its very versatile and linux ran slow on my xbox until i finally ran damn small linux (hacked even smaller to 30mb) it ran smoother but showed bad on tv but with xbox 360 around the way i cant wait to hack it and put os x on it just picture that fluid os x screensaver running on your widescreens and you have the icon dock doing trick on the bottom or side of the screen

yeah but anyway i dont know where this world would be with just apple what if ms wasnt here? (So im proud of william h gates the 3rd work) and i look forward to using that 512mb of added ram to run the latest ver of pearpc or os x x86 and run vpc in there and run xp on top of osx on pc hardware

but im scared i watched the xbox movie here http://msxb.vo.llnwd.net/o2/ourcolony/TheC...ony_v2_750k.zip

and the xbox hd kind looks like it wont be ide im not sure someone watch it and tell me it looks laptop like or something diffrent

oh and another reason no to buy a playstation playstation has already made some promises that it will make some games for xbox

oh ok i never seen it out of the magazine but anyway if sony cared about us why didnt they release thier steroid taking ps2 the psx people woulda bought it here it came in white black pearl red blue and woodgrain color only in japan thought why do they always get the cool stuff they had psp months before we did like xbox 360 im starting to think some companies dont like us that much like microsft they are american but they game systems come out there before here and the games they have nice game we cant even start to think about

Japanese people are obsessed with these stuff...especially Sony. If Sony has limited production capabilities, Japan will be the first ones to get the goods since the American market is so much bigger, which requires full production capacity.

thanks for explaining that to me never looked at it that way

I don't see why it wouldn't work in threory. You can already run OSX on an xbox

Yes, but that means using PearPC on Xebian, which isn't the most pleasant of experiences. Especially with the Xbox's 64mb of ram, and celeron processor. Running PearPC on your computer would be blazingly fast compared to on the Xbox. Besides, I think the topic here is looking at running OSX natively on the PS3, without any emulation.

hey theis site is about os x for intel so lets talk xbox people.

And you can have your ram upgraded on your xbox or just save up for xbox 360 oooh i cant wait!

OS X could run on the PS3 OR xbox 360 equaly well...

You would just have to recompile everything, re-write drivers, drematicly change system code, etc. Remember these processors are slaughtered G5s with their out of order capabilities and other portions removed. So there is no way you could just throw OS X on.

There is a new version of the Cell: the DD2 (versus DD1). Supposedly, this has a new PPE core with more AltiVec resources:

http://www.realworldtech.com/page.cfm?Arti...RWT072405191325

(see page 4, "DD1, DD2, PPC970FX, and Apple’s Role?")

The page cited speculates that Apple motivated this change, but this make no sense to me because any AltiVec code should be moved to the SPEs on the Cell anyways. Why not work on the out-of-order-execution (OOOE) and branch predicition capacity of the PPE instead?

It wiil be interesting to see if the XBox 360's Xenon which is composed of three PPEs will get the DD2 version or not.

 

There is a new version of the Cell: the DD2 (versus DD1).  Supposedly, this has a new PPE core with more AltiVec resources:

 

http://www.realworldtech.com/page.cfm?Arti...RWT072405191325

 

(see page 4, "DD1, DD2, PPC970FX, and Apple’s Role?")

 

The page cited speculates that Apple motivated this change, but this make no sense to me because any AltiVec code should be moved to the SPEs on the Cell anyways.  Why not work on the out-of-order-execution (OOOE) and branch predicition capacity of the PPE instead?

 

It wiil be interesting to see if the XBox 360's Xenon which is composed of three PPEs will get the DD2 version or not.

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Well this would explain why it took IBM to give Microsoft silicon. They might have did a few tweeks. It could be that a few developers made some last seccond sugestions and they barely got them implemented.

having some altivac code on the PPEs would help for first generation games that only take advatage of one core so they will be pushed out on time and make it easier to support prior generation code (you dont have to also add the hassle of making it multi-threaded).

Sony already is disapointed with the Cell, its a big fat expecive chip and now they are whispers that they are going back to the designers of the Emotion engine for their next design.

No console manufacturer will WANT an OS running on their console. They all sell the units below cost and recoup on game sales. Running an OS on a console is practically stealing hardware.

Sony's Sony's "Crazy Ken" Kutaragi has made it very clear that he wants to license OS X from Apple for the Playstation 3, via numerous interviews and at the bottom of this official Sony page: http://www.sony.co.uk/view/ShowArticle.act...e=1121156666920

"The operating system has also yet to be clarified. The integrated Cell processor will be able to support a variety of operating systems (such as Linux or Apple's Tiger)."

Furthermore, Sony will release a Linux distro for the Playstation 3 if Apple does not cooperate: http://www.theinquirer.net/?article=23878

Finally, Sony already released a Linux kit for the Playstation 2: http://playstation2-linux.com/

Darwin apparently is now running on XBox:

http://franz.smartxx.com/darwin/

news like this gives me the fuzzies

Actually Sony sells a Linux Distro and Keyboard for the PS2 for 100$!

It is supossed to be used by hardware developers.

aaah not another one (PS USER)

i dont think ps3 will have a network card again this time around

 

oh ps

yeah i know you fonygaystation 2 user can run linux so can the lame cube where do you store more than 16mb of memory working in linux

You really sound like M$ fanboy

Go home to play with your xbox & yourself

Darwin apparently is now running on XBox:

 

 

http://franz.smartxx.com/darwin/

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Me thinks this is a hoax. Not the darwin part neccicarily, but the running os x part takes all credibility out of it. After all, the xbox doesnt have sse2 or (afaik) even sse, which would cause some problems

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The Apple logo+wheel is a simple app, Darwin can manifest it even if it isn't part of the standard distro. Booting OS X and showing the wheel running in Darwin are two different things.

That said, back to topic, Sony was probably being misquoted. Either they meant the PS3 is powerful enough to run a modern operating system like Mac OS X, or they meant there will be a UPNP app to allow Mac OS X to push content to the PS3, making it similar to Microsoft's Media Center Extender on the Xbox 360.

hey theis site is about os x for intel so lets talk xbox people.

And you can have your ram upgraded on your xbox or just save up for xbox 360 oooh i cant wait!

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The XBox 360 uses a PowerPC CPU.