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My personal osx86 story!


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First off I would like to state that this is my first post on the forums, but I have been reading them for quite some time now. I just want to show my appreciation in any way possible and for now the best way may be to share my true mac story! I also would like to apologize in advanced for I am nearly certain that this isn't the best place for this topic, if a moderator would kindly move it to the appropriate location I would be grateful.

 

Let's begin with the short history of my computer usage. I am currently 23 years old and live on my own, blah blah. I got my first computer when I was 8 (an OS/2 with it's own special OS which we removed and loaded Windows 3.11, my dad and I struggled for months to replace the PC-DOS with MS-DOS, I don't remember much else). I later sold that computer and replaced it with one that had Windows 95 and I was filled with glee, to say the least! I struggled on both computers with understanding how sound/video drivers work. If memory serves correctly that computer had 16-colors because I didn't have the proper video drivers. I tried to sell this computer to gain a replacement, but the person who purchased it was my father's boss's daughter (lol) and she whined enough that my dad's boss put him into a position where he had to spend the money they bought the computer with to upgrade it to their standards. I lost my computer :(.

 

Once I hit 7th grade (or the summer after), I began working for my dad's company part-time doing data-entry and production work and I gained enough money to build my FIRST computer from scratch. Before this I helped my dad once make his custom PC and we learned quite a lot through trial-and-error. I was able to build a Cyrix M3 300mhz PC with Windows98 and a 4.3gb Hard Drive (lol?). I don't remember much else about the hardware specs. I do remember buying my first DVD-Rom drive and adding it to the machine though!

 

That computer eventually became virus infected and reformatted multiple times. I got my hands on a real-deal copy of Windows 2000 Professional/Server Beta3 Public Test CD (a set of CD's actually) and I toyed with that for a while.

 

In favor of shortening the story I'll advance quicker through time: Throughout high-school my brother and I competed at who could build the best computer and through a series of upgrades (piece at a time) I went through probably 3 PC's worth of parts over the years, and by senior year I had an Athlon XP 2100+, water-cooled and over-clocked to 2.2ghz (equivalent to I believe a 2800 or 2900+ for those who don't understand AMD ratings). It was around this time that I began toying around with dual-booting Linux (Redhat 9 was my first). I got a laptop as part of a program for college and was pretty steadily back on windows after this time (I struggled with linux drivers, otherwise I loved it... still needed windows for gaming however). I began a summer job at a local Computer Repair shop (also built customs) in downtown mpls. It was here where I gained my first positive encounter with Mac OSX. A co-worker (who is now a very very good friend) introduced me to his iBook. I called him a traitor, as I was an avid PC fanboy who utterly despised Mac for no real reason at all. He finally convinced me (by locking me out of my computers and forcing me to pay him back by learning how to lock him out of his) to give them another chance. I fell in love with the OS. It was 10.2 if I'm not mistaken and it was gorgeous and intuitive and revolutionary and pretty much kicked Windows' a$$ in every aspect imaginable (imo).

 

After this I dug out my old copies of WindowBlinds (Stardock) and began trying to transform my Windows UI to look more mac. I used ObjectDock (Stardock) and other such mods to attempt to recreate the OSX environment on my PC. There were many failures but ever since that summer I always had an OSX skin of some sort on my PC. In my 2nd semester of college I became severely frustrated with my gateway laptop (and now hate gateway because of those awful computers) and traded it in for a real mac! (iBook:G4 with 768mb Memory 12" LCD). I was happy for the entire 2 years I had that computer (I sold my PC as I hated using it now).

 

I had to get rid of my Apple because it was under a lease with the school and I was violently shoved back into the Windows world where I frequently became angry with my computer and it's inability to be as pretty as OSX and function as well. I decided it was time to Linux as my hatred for windows had flamed into something uncontrollable. For me, windows had to be there as I play WoW so it was always installed. That is, until after 2 destro's worth of Fedora, I switched to Ubuntu (um... /drool /drool omghax it's COMPIZ-FUSION!!!) and started toying with Wine (had experience with Xine on my Apple attempting to run certain simple midi-based software on my G4). I was able to get WoW working. Long story short I was forced back into windows due to drivers not functioning properly and though everything native to linux worked, things like WoW and my guitar software and Ventrilo would never play nicely together. That and Dual-screen Compiz-Fusion not working with xinerama (the proper dual-screen option, the other option is frustratingly stupid at window management, also spans the bars across both screens and multiple resolutions was leaving me with space I could not access) led me back into Windows.

 

I've always read through these forums and wondered if I could get OSX on my pc. I always read the guides and saw things like "this is not for everyday use", or "this is a hobby and is extremely difficult" and was scared away at the though of not being able to enjoy OSX as things just wouldn't work properly. That and I use AMD and always will (Intel has better hardware, I know, I don't support their company and refuse to buy their product for reasons I won't get into). Well one weekend I was bored with WoW and my son was away and I happened to pick up a Kalyway disk for fun. I figured what the H3ll... I'll give it a try!

 

I didn't make it into the installer.

 

I have never, in my life, ever given up on anything that easily so I hit the forums and I hit them harder than I ever have (not posting as there is a plethora of information amongst the numerous noobular posts asking very simple things that can be easily googled for and I didn't want to add to the clouds of dust I had to sift through to find the real expert answers). I downloaded another distro, Lawless PPC I believe it is called. I was able to sometimes get into the installer but it would freeze up on the Apple most of the time. After some research I found an odd solution suggesting re-burning the image at the slowest speed permitted by the burner.

 

After doing this I got past the “Still waiting for root device” errors during setup and I reached my first taste of Aqua on my PC. I had made it into the installer. I ran my first setup of OSX onto my IDE 120gb drive and ventured into firstboot but never saw it happen. I did –v to see what was going on during boot and found the “Still waiting for root device” error again. I attempted many solutions like rd=disk0s1 at boot and such but never got in. I decided to switch around my hard drive configuration to be just the DVD and the target hard disk. I put the hard disk on master and the DVD on slave and got setup to run, finish, and my computer made it into firstboot. I chose randomly at the customize option as far as device support goes. I got a basic install with no video support, sound, or internet and had to dual-boot to windows to get things working.

 

I wrote down all of my devices, their ID’s for Vendor, Device, and Subsys and started researching. I was able to easily mount my windows hard disk from within mac so I could grab downloaded zips right off of my windows desktop folder when booted into osx. I tried various kexts for either net since that, obviously, would allow me to stay in osx for future research.

 

I was having some issues here and there getting things to work properly. Little history on the target disk: It was an old 120gb drive that occasionally would repeatedly click upon boot not allowing the BIOS to recognize it (where I would reboot the computer until it would POST without clicking). I found an old USB->IDE kit and stole the power source from it and got the 120gb to run off of that without clicking and from there on out powered it that way (to prevent the clicking issue on reboot). Well I decided I had enough of this, I was certain that if this OS was successful I would not want it on this drive anyway so I headed to BestBuy and picked up a new 500gb Sata3 (I went with the sata ignoring the potential for issues resulting in attempting to install with an unsupported raid controller). I started setup from scratch (this time choosing more appropriate driver options right out of the box). My chipset was not listed (it’s an AMD chipset on a Gigabyte board, which btw numerous guides say is very very difficult to get fully functional and is highly recommended against using for a haxintosh) so I selected VIA since I was fairly certain it shared many of the same components as mine (Realtec Audio/Ethernet). I also selected the proper NVInjext for my N’Vidia 7800GT 256mb card and was greeted with functioning video on first boot with dual-screen up and running out of the box, Ethernet as well.

 

Having those two out of the way right away was incredibly helpful (even though I think I could have fixed the video with no problems at all but the Ethernet I was still not sure which kext to use). I was able to enable the sound very simply without doing anything too serious. At this point I began installing OSX applications and getting everything organized.

 

I pretty much googled around the web (90% of results came from insanelymac forums) for solutions to problems I was having, mainly small glitches. I got everything in order, and last night I was able to get my final primary goal accomplished, I got my 6ch Surround Sound working (or 8ch, I have 4 stereo output devices and I can map them around however I please which is fantastical!). I tried many different kexts and packages for the ALC888 driver (the one that finally worked was the ALC888Audio.mpkg that I got from http://forum.insanelymac.com/index.php?showtopic=34075 after hours and hours of searching.

 

To conclude this I would like to give my thanks to every single person that has poured hours and hours of effort into developing fixes and/or work-arounds for the problems generated by running osx on non-native hardware. I would also like to thank those who put together the “patched” install DVD’s, not to mention the people who worked so hard to incorporate AMD support into the project. And I cannot neglect thanking the people that pay for, maintain, moderate, administer, and develop this absolutely amazing and helpful community. In my entire history with computers, I have never, ever been happier. Thank you SO much. I wish I had what it takes to contribute back but I just don’t. I hope this article encourages the less experienced to not give up on their osx86project of their own, as well as encourage the geniuses out there to continue helping us enjoy an absolutely amazing operating system on our custom PC’s.

 

THANK YOU INSANELYMAC!!!


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*ahem* You're welcome, from one of the people that got this all rolling years ago. I'm sure everyone that's been a part of the project since inception feels the same way. :D

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I think the members of the Hackintosh community deserve such tribute by Astronomy. There is really such a huge collection of valuable information here amidst all the "noises" that one may easily be lost even with the powerful google search engine.

 

The reason to run OSX in other than an Apple machine can be myriad, to each his/her own. I remember my early days in Secondary School when exposed to Apple II clones which had led me to my purchase of my first Apple Quadra 660 when I got money from my first paid job. We were still the extreme minority in the computer world, especially in Asia, and I constantly needed to handle Windows PC at home (for my wife) and at work. I couldn't recall how many times I had reformatted my wife's PC because of disk error and virus infection. There was a time when there was massively virus outbreak with outage of my home and office PCs, leaving only my Mac working with which I downloaded the PC virus scanner in floppy image to rescue my PC. What a joke !

 

Now I have only Macs at home but still I have to use PCs in my office due to corporate issue and software deployment. With no Mac laptop, hence, I have to transform my office PC into hackintosh.Though I am not allowed to install anything (no administrator right), the PC is not prevented from booting from external devices (?an oversight from the IT) and that started my journey into the hacintosh way. I have learnt much in the InsanelyMac forum before my real attempt to install OSX onto an external USB HD, greatly aided by now the pre-packaged distros from various contributors like Leo4All, iDeneb, iATKOS, Jas, Kalyway . A few hiccups were encountered (an old Pentium 4 PC) but all solved with time spent and diving down into this sea of information.

 

I am now free from the torture of Windows and have to give my sincere thanks to all contributers in the forum.

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Great letter. Should definitely be on the front page!!! This isn't just a board of answers...its a community. And letters like yours show it.

 

Welcome to the FAMILY!!!

 

NYC Coyote

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This is somewhat similar to my own personal history (although I spent more time on the Unixes than on Windows), I'm right now on a retail install over an old P4.

 

But I could not wrote better than Astronomy.

 

Well done mate. Never give up, never go back.

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I was also elated when I found this forum after I got my HP DV6875se (the screen is around the same color as a white Macbook). I have a G4 FW800 1Ghz at home and I just wanted to have the experience from both of my desktops on my laptop. This community allows me to boot Mac OS X.5.5 as a normal, regular operating system with less problems than I had with Windows 98 in its hay day. I have wireless (replaced with a Broadcom from a Compaq my old roommate has), full functioning video, Battery recognition, Ethernet, accurate and quick DVD burning...basically the whole nine yards (even though I need to fix my SMBIOS to tell me what specs I'm running again). I use the Mac side of my Hard Drive more than the Vista side everyday. Thank you for the coders that live on this site and allow us to run this great operating system. By the way, this post is being written by my Hackintosh HP laptop... completely user friendly. Thanks again guys!

 

Oh...one last thing...my wife that is somewhat computer illiterate can boot into the Mac side of my Hard Drive and can use it like it is a normal operating system for her.

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That was just a great letter, Astronomy :(. I'm also a beginner, but with help from this forum, I also passed the still waiting for root device :angry2:.

 

PS: This message was written on a hackintosh :D.

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The best "thanks" I've ever seen :) There should be a better "hotspot" on this forum for hackintosh beginners like a, b, c steps. Nothing comes easily. Everybody knows that. This community is great help. But I think the only way is to make it even better. At the end of the day guys like Astronomy might be the future geeks for the next gen. osx86

 

Join the club bro ;)

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Even though it is the same experiance for every hachintosh project,

 

The way he narrated the story is top class.Better he becomes a story writer.

 

Well Written and welcome.

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Interesting read :)

I have to say well written. I guess this is a very similar experience that others share. If it was nit for the gr8 steps that others had set i wouldnt have been able to do a release. So this one goes to the true gods that let ppl like us benefit. I feel this article makes a fitting sign of respect!!!!!!

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I'm so glad you guys appreciate my thank you letter! Especially LawlessPPC, I'm still using your distro! I downloaded a Leo4all (latest version) that I was going to try, but I'm learning that the distro doesn't matter as much as the kernel selected and the driver extensions installed (btw: been using the Voodoo_beta2 kernel on and off lately, one of my installs runs it flawlessly, the other doesn't allow me to utilize my mouse for some reason).

 

I just accomplished the immeanse feat (to me, at least) of breaking through the ~3gb of Memory issues and am absolutely thrilled! I successfully rendered a 30sec video in AE and caused my total "real" memory used to hit 5.99gb, both CPU cores maxed (Athlon X2 4600+) and switched through applications without any issues!

 

I have been keeping with my personal preference to post as little as possible and so far this is my third. My eyes are quite sore from sifting through pages upon pages of posts asking for [sometimes] simple solutions. I refuse to follow the lazy lemmings as they post their system specs and ask how to make their GeForce 7xx0 or 8xx0 work with QE when all they needed to do was checkmark the box for NVidia when they installed, or use one of the many installers out there. My [search] button works for me and thus far I have been able to find solutions for all my issues without asking.

 

My little brother is coming over this weekend to install OSX onto his custom pc (very similar hardware, faster CPU, less memory, nForce Chipset rather than the AMD770 that I have). I am very excited to brighten up his studies with Mac. He's a graphics design / video editing major for the Art Institute of Minnesota and all of his computers at school are mac which has been leading him down the road toward a much more enjoyable computing experience.

 

Thank you again, developers, I wish there were an option to bold the titles of your posts to make it slightly easier to find your solutions amidst the incessant question posts. I realize the questions led the way to the answers I seek, however after reading the same question in 400 different posts (by members with 2-5 posts who don't bother giving thanks to the member who took the time to analyze their particular situation and brainstorm potential remedies), it gets a little old.

 

On a side note, I have not searched thoroughly, but I have not yet come across a [Donate] button. If someone could kindly point me in the direction of a Donation page, I would be more than obliged to contribute finanically to the cost of hosting this forum. It'd be the least I could do as I don't feel I'm knowledgable enough to help answer user's questions or assist in development.

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Kudos from Puerto Rico~! :boxing: (We FINALLY have the iPhone officially via AT&T, as of October 17th... but still no online Apple store. idiots.)

 

This letter has inspired me into getting extremely serious into the OSx86 world. Like Astronomy, I used to be a PC fanboy (now I'm a PC AND Mac fanboy. It's a crazy world, deal with it.) and I had my first experiences with PCs when I was 9. A few years ago, I got curious as to what was all the hype about with OSX and all, so I started to attempt virtualization, and after several tries, I had Panther (OSX 10.3) installed via PearPC. Slow as hell, but it was working. Later, I stumbled upon this website and watched everyone struggling to install it natively. I joined in, trying to make OSX (already 10.4 Tiger) install, without much luck (effin HP laptops...). I could virtualize it with VMWare Workstation, but I wanted native. I kept fighting with it until I got it working on my current laptop, a Sony VAIO (screams of horror), sans internal LCD (I hate you, Sony), wireless (I hate you, Intel Wireless) and memory stick reader (read first hate).

 

I was saving up for a Macbook Pro. Now that the MBPs have been updated, I was even more eager to save quick to buy it. However, I'm much, much closer to buying a similarly powerful Dell XPS M1530. My laptop's already failing under so much pressure. If it fails earlier than expected, I'll buy the XPS. Thanks to contributions by macgirl, and letters like this, and everyone giving a bit of their time and expertise to this movement, I feel safe buying another computer, knowing I can install OSX on it, instead of going for the higher-priced Macs, at least, until I get a raise.

 

I agree with Astronomy when he says thanks to everyone at Insanelymac. Without this community, this would have never been possible.

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I can go behind you in all your saying

I also say a BIG thank you for this effort getting this programming done.

I hope you get what you deserves

A good salery

 

best regards Corpuser

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This amazing post has made me feel quite ashamed of myself for not doing the same thing. I have not had an amazingly long experience of my own PC but I have sure screwed mine up enough in the time that I have.

 

I stumbled upon Insanely when someone on another forum posted about the ability to install MacOSX onto a PC, I looked into this and failed many a time, would face some success, then have it all fall again. I am currently at the begining of reinstalling the OS onto my PC again but that should run smoothly.

 

Through my trials and tribulations I have had many a chance to brag about the fact I have the best of both worlds but for me it was simple compared to the awesome people that have made this happen so I would like to show my gratitude.

 

THANK YOU SO MUCH!

 

P.S since finding out about this scene I have grown more and more in love with Mac's and hope to purchse a proper one soon.

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