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Guys, this sucks. None of us are making money "copying" others efforts. Many people have burnt their midnight oil to get that pc efi v8 emulator which they are boasting about. And many have contributed to get the odd soundcard, graphics string working. Now many noobs many not know about us and they would think that Psystar is the messiah. But if Apple returns with a vengeance we all will bear the brunt of it. However, like many others I do believe that God is with us, we have managed to survive and we will... no matter what. Psystar will pay for plagiarism and hence their bad karma.

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the case they are using for this thing is amazingly close (but still quite different) to the case I have my fake mac pro in (see link in sig)

 

I wish i can help clean your room... i can't stand it... grrr...

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Steve Jobs will always be Steve Jobs and apples philosophy will remain standing for quite a while. If somebody to come up with non apple computer with leopard installed without apples permission its doomed to fail, legally that is. But no matter what, we are going to here, alive and well :P !!! Plus if you think how project osx86 evolved there is no way it can stop now... in fact i predict that in the near future our installs are going to be no different and not recognizable by apple at all and all updates including kernel are going to be 100% compatible...

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Purple Puppy.... Your statement is asinine. "And when enough companies decide to sell computers with OS X installed, then Apple can't really do anything about it. "

 

The company who wrote the OS can do nothing about it???

 

Do you think it would be hard for apple to switch to another processor as they have done 3 times before.

 

Not only that, but the legal team will have a field day with all the companies ILLEGALLY SELLING their OS....

 

Hacking is one thing. Thats a free thing. BUT Deliberately and illegally profiting off their work??? Whats the point of Licensing agreements and Patents.....

 

Of course we cry this till the shoe is on the other foot. Ask all the Starving musicians who put out a CD only to have it copied everywhere. They don't recover their upfront costs and they don't get proper recognition. We often look at the 10% that gets noticed, but forget about the other 90% that gets screwed. (I am sure the stats are a tad more liberal than my exaggerated estimate)

 

I do hope this pressures apple to make an expandable computer (I repeat myself) for a lower price point. The mini is a nice concept, but 2 PCIe slots would be nice. Even an ExpressCard/34 slot would be nice. Then I could hook up my Magma.....

as a producer/beatmaker/dj i second your comment, ya heard me.

 

i HATE laptops but apple refuses to make a dual core mac pro for musicians, apparently they only care for those artists who work with video, i don't need 4 or 8 cores (i've looked for excuses to get a quad core but i still haven't found one true reason yet, just excuses). plus, i can upgrade my current pc for half the cost of a comparable equipped mac pro.

 

i want to know what motherboard they are usin' too. i betcha that they are usin' the cheapest parts that they can find. it will cost me over a $1000 to upgrade my pc with a intel e8400/asus p5n-t deluxe (i'm replacin' everything except for the hard drive and dvd burner, i'm even gettin' a new case even tho' my old case is still good...)... but i'm usin' top of the line parts from newegg. but since i will use it for music production i really can't afford to go cheap when it comes to parts.

 

^ok, so i may be off, i forgot about the fact that you get parts cheaper when you buy them in bulk/sets of 100's and 1000's...

ASUS P5N-T Deluxe

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I simply cannot believe this. This reminds me of people selling warez. We are blessed with netkas, kalyway, JaS, etc and now we are faced with the extreme exploitation of this community. And to top it all off I.M. = Psystar's tech support? I don't think so. Profiteering gluttons.

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I can't believe the audacity of this company--the balls they must have to mention EFI v8 as if it's something they created, and then direct their customers to InsanelyMac, like we're all sitting around to tend to their customer service! Wow. That's all I can say. Wow.

 

I visit this site daily, and I'm amazed that Apple has left us alone for so long. This may be the straw that breaks the camel's back.

 

I hope InsanelyMac's management is considering some legal action. Seriously. Beyond that, however, this is the sort of thing that "our community" needs to put an end to *before* Apple does--self policing. This is an act of betrayal to "this thing of ours," and it can not STAND!

 

What can we do about this? (And I'm not talking about petitions.) As a former "script kiddie", I can think of a million ways I would have marshalled the forces of Hell against these guys more than a decade ago. Do people even do DOS attacks anymore? Anyway... At this point, I think we need to show Apple that *we* can deal with bad apples in our community. That would go a long way to prove that we're not a real threat to their business. At this point, I think that's the only plan of action that can save InsanelyMac and the OSX86 movement.

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This is the thing that pisses me off about it. If you're a company that is selling a product, the company has a responsiblity to support it. Don't advertise it then tell people to come to a forum that is soley dedicated to hacking OS X. That's just in bad taste and will more than likely hurt the company (not that selling OS X won't do it either) and hurt the community here.

 

Not one of us makes any monotary gains from doing this to our computers. We (the users) do it because it's fun and interesting to do. Most of us actually BUY from Apple because of this site (myself included) and without this site it might not even had happened.

 

I'm not saying that with this site Macintoshs' wouldn't have been bought I'm just saying this site has certainly made Apples' wallet bigger. For a company to just advertise this {censored} is appalling and how they're going about it is just plain idiotic

 

 

I agree with Rufus, it seems to me to be a huge underestimation of peoples intelligence on all sides of the OSx 86 fence, by introducing this product to the world they have drawn unnecessary attention both good and bad to the fact that people are using Osx on non Osx hardware, as you rightly pointed out the idea behind the movement is not one of commercialism and people really do buy Macs or at least Mac products, as a result of their HOBBY interests in Osx. Hopefully this is a storm in a tea cup and that the storm quickly passes!!!!

 

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But can we believe that Apple never know about x86 project ? so why it never did anythings yet about that?

 

I think it is the time to Apple to make upgradable mac mini and other devices (hope they do so)

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LoL, they are gonna get in trouble thats for sure, infact I've seen this being discussed ages ago, from a person that works at Apple, the reason they don't want to make a version for PC is because sales will drop big time, at least when it comes to computers, they generate a tremendous amount of $ from Apple Systems, considering how expensive they are, if there was an OSX version for PC, most people would be buying OSX and using it on there older pc. Anyway thats the reason it's illegal to run OSX on pc hardware. Apple is expensive period, some people argue that it's more compact, quiet, etc.. that is true, but regardless it still has its drawbacks, you can't overclock, upgrading is impossible, memory is expensive, not a gaming system, application support, expensive..

 

Otherwise it's great, I mean if you have the money for it then no doubt a good choice, but most users don't have that much money to spend, even the cheapest Apple Mini is much too expensive for what you get.

 

Anyway I'm no fanboy or anything, I plan on buying an Apple iMac for designing, mainly because it looks nice, compact, etc.. :], I was supposed to get one ages ago, but like i mentioned b4 what made me change my mind is the price, I settled for a PC spent less then $900, and i got everything you see in specs, would've been cheaper if i settled for a different case, and the nicest thing is it's faster then any Apple system out right now. lol not to mention memory is like $16 for 1GB DDR2 right now.

 

Just my thoughts :)

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I would suggest that this site blocks people coming from that site. I don't want im to be a support site for a store.

 

And I doubt a small store like that has the financial strength to challenge apple legally to the extent that they might win their case. There will either be a settlement or a case which would be preferably for apple and will lock their os to their hardware in infinitum...

 

I agree that the reference to this site is most unfortunate. I have this terrible feeling that the only losers in all os this will be the osx86 community.

 

OSX spans a wide array of devices and Apple can't afford to lose control of it. This is not the NeXT/OpenStep situation or even the Data General case of so many years ago.

 

This isn't good...

 

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But can we believe that Apple never know about x86 project ? so why it never did anythings yet about that?

 

I think it is the time to Apple to make upgradable mac mini and other devices (hope they do so)

 

unless such kinds of society don't bloom too big,

this will retain in a win-win situration.

i doubt that Apple don't know about this project,

but somehow they just turn a blind eye on this.

 

but i'm sure Apple will do something to take down that site,

i am interested in the further news on this about the Apple's actions.

 

well, it's totally *INSANE* for a company like that to dump

all their technically supports to insanelymac ...

are they all INSANE so that they think the ppl in insanelymac are INSANE too??

 

lol, why don't we set up a poll to guess how long will that site can up for? X)

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calm down ppl. this action will have good things and bad things for us all. but we should watch it, wait and smile ... imo this must happen earlier or later - its the beginning of the end and also of something good says my tummy (sounds {censored} - yeah, im insane lol)

 

only REAL {censored} {censored} is NOT TO MENTION NETKAS for doin ALL this possible! they should SHAME their asses off ..

 

maximum respect to the scene!!!

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I don't care about Psystar computers. I don't care if they install Mac OS X on their computers or not. They can fight that out with Apple.

 

What does bother me however (and has been pointed out multiple times in this thread) is Psystar's appropriation of the hard work done by others (who were simply doing it for fun and not for monetary gain) to make the Mac OS run on non-Apple hardware in order to profit from it. What is further troubling is their repeated references to the OSX86 Project and linking to the Insanely Mac forum as a substitute for proper technical support. All of this gives the impression that the OSX86 Project and the Insanely Mac forum are in collusion with Psystar Corporation, which in fact they are not. My suggestion would be for the IM forum admins and the OSX86 Project staff to make a clear and unequivocal statement stating that neither entity has any affiliation with Psystar nor condones their business model.

 

For anyone who doesn't think Apple is aware of the OSX86 Project or this forum, I can assure you they are aware of it. I don't think they care that much, we are small potatoes and nobody here is doing this to make a buck. I do think they would start caring if they thought we were assisting Psystar (or any other companies that will inevitably pop up) in cannibalizing Mac sales. I own a MacBook Pro. I am a long time Mac user. I left the Mac for the PC for a couple of years and finally came back to the platform. The fact that I could convert my existing PC hardware over to the Mac OS was the deciding factor in my purchase of a MBP. I think this is true of a lot of the members on this forum. We support Apple. We like Macs. Let's face it, building a hackintosh and installing OSX86 is not exactly the most "Mac-like" experience in the world. We do it because it's fun and we can build the computers that we wished Apple would make (like a lower end version of the Mac Pro).

 

A couple of other things, has anyone noticed the Google ads on the IM Forum and the OSX86 wiki are featuring Psystar ads?

 

Also I built a system over at Newegg and just guessing at the hardware Psystar is using based off their specs, I was able to build an equivalent system for $350. About $50 less than Psystar is charging. Hmmm?

 

 

Just my two cents.

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This is really {censored}t for osx86; Basically this people is making money from the work of others (Netkas, peolpe that developed EFI, etc), Second, this will force Apple to take stronger actions about all this 'running OSX on PC' which most probably will affect all of us directly.

 

FxxK THIS GUYS!

 

this is far from good for the scene

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What's the point of that osx86 then? I thought that was "forcing" Apple somehow to license their beautiful OS to use in our PCs. If that's the case, the Psychostar (or whatever they're called) thing is a logical step. And the netkas and other hackers issue: so you're complaining about Psynuts not giving them credit. I agree to a certain extent: who are those people anyway?

 

Does anyone know Netkas or JaS or others, apart from their nicknames? If they're complaining about Psy*** not giving them credit, is then credit all that they're looking for? Is that a question of ego? About seeing their little nicknames written on the net over and over? I mean: Psy*** has done wrong not mentioning them. a

 

But I also feel that they're a bit childish about that "give me credit" stuff: they have to know that they're a lot more meaning for us than Psy***. That being said, Psy*** has BALLS. And that's also needed.

 

I ask again: What is the ultimate goal of osx86? If it's only about fun, you can have more healthy fun than hacking OSX. I want to think that is enabling somehow OSX on our standard computers, and a see our loved osx96 hackers as pioneers of a less dark and monopolistic era, and Psystar the grunts with balls that broke a taboo.

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I read this. http://www.informationweek.com/blog/main/a...lone_maker.html

 

He also said Psystar believes Apple's prohibition against third-party installations might not hold up in court: "What if Honda said that, after you buy their car, you could only drive it on the roads they said you could?"

 

What kind of dumb analogy is this? :(

 

I think the analogy is great. However, you have the choice to agree to Apple's license or to bring back OS X to the store where you bought it. And there's the real problem for Apple, a lot of stores won't just accept it if you take your Leopard install disc back because you didn't agree with the EULA.

 

This will also show us if an EULA is actually binding. This has been discussed many times before, for Windows, certain kinds of adware and now the discussion starts for OS X. We'll see what happens, but I for one surely hope that Psystar can win this battle and can seel these computers.

 

I also noticed that Psystar renamed their cheap machine from OpenMac to Open Computer and that they introduced the Open Pro, a faster PC that will run OS X. I guess they couldn't get away with calling their machine OpenMac because Apple owns the Mac trademark.

 

There's one last thing I want to add... Apple's lawyers are not stupid either. If they think they can't win a case about the EULA, Apple will probably just let Psystar make their offerings without interruption. Apple can still scare some people off with their EULA that way. If they'd lose in court over their EULA, then any computer manufacturer can start delivering OS X on normal machines. I think my local computer store would like that too.

Regards,

 

Michael

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I think the analogy is great. However, you have the choice to agree to Apple's license or to bring back OS X to the store where you bought it. And there's the real problem for Apple, a lot of stores won't just accept it if you take your Leopard install disc back because you didn't agree with the EULA.

 

This will also show us if an EULA is actually binding. This has been discussed many times before, for Windows, certain kinds of adware and now the discussion starts for OS X. We'll see what happens, but I for one surely hope that Psystar can win this battle and can seel these computers.

 

I also noticed that Psystar renamed their cheap machine from OpenMac to Open Computer and that they introduced the Open Pro, a faster PC that will run OS X. I guess they couldn't get away with calling their machine OpenMac because Apple owns the Mac trademark.

 

There's one last thing I want to add... Apple's lawyers are not stupid either. If they think they can't win a case about the EULA, Apple will probably just let Psystar make their offerings without interruption. Apple can still scare some people off with their EULA that way. If they'd lose in court over their EULA, then any computer manufacturer can start delivering OS X on normal machines. I think my local computer store would like that too.

Regards,

 

Michael

 

Hi, no disrespect to you what so ever, but this is like saying that apple has restricted mac users to only surf their websites. This is clearly not the case. I personally feel that apple should not make let their OS be used in PCs, but instead come up with a middle range, more affordable mac pro. I mean the apple "feel" is not abt just the software it's about the hardware and design of their products as well. But that being said, the OSx86 project is a wonderful way to have a "trial" of what you're about to spend a buck load of money on. So this community in my honest opinion is a good thing for apple. But what this Psy* is doing is making money out of some other person's hard work.

 

To Harlock: I dun think that these ppl here are childish at all. It's not all abt the credits, you have to realise that if they are using these ppl's work so 1) they have to get their permission 2) they have to pay them something. Let's say you invented something and someone just stole that idea of yours and made a company out of it. How'd you feel? Wouldn't you sue their a$$ off?

 

These are just my personal opinions, in no way did I mean to upset anyone. :)

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What's the point of that osx86 then? I thought that was "forcing" Apple somehow to license their beautiful OS to use in our PCs. If that's the case, the Psychostar (or whatever they're called) thing is a logical step. And the netkas and other hackers issue: so you're complaining about Psynuts not giving them credit. I agree to a certain extent: who are those people anyway?

 

Does anyone know Netkas or JaS or others, apart from their nicknames? If they're complaining about Psy*** not giving them credit, is then credit all that they're looking for? Is that a question of ego? About seeing their little nicknames written on the net over and over? I mean: Psy*** has done wrong not mentioning them. a

 

But I also feel that they're a bit childish about that "give me credit" stuff: they have to know that they're a lot more meaning for us than Psy***. That being said, Psy*** has BALLS. And that's also needed.

 

I ask again: What is the ultimate goal of osx86? If it's only about fun, you can have more healthy fun than hacking OSX. I want to think that is enabling somehow OSX on our standard computers, and a see our loved osx96 hackers as pioneers of a less dark and monopolistic era, and Psystar the grunts with balls that broke a taboo.

 

1-They intend to make money with something they didnt developed. Is not about little nicknames on a forum. If they work around apple legal, do you know how much money they would do? Dont you thing that the people that actually developed EFI diserves the right to say if they want to sale it or not and if so get paid for it? but well, is not the first time that such a thing happend; isnt it?.

 

2-Apple gives a {censored}t about a bunch of guys running osx in their pcs; I dont think they have the same opinion about a company making money out of them and even more: being the cheap alternative for the open public (not for a bunch geeks that have time enough to hack and install osx in a beige box, but for normal people that would buy the 'out of the box' thing). Im shure they are going to add more locks to osx; after this I dont thing EFI_8 will be enough for running it. And Im shure these Psy guys are going to be busted really soon.

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I just hope that they don't drag the whole OSX86 community down with the mess they created in the process. Apple will definitely fight, and might just take this chance to get the validity of their EULA legalized. Imagine if Apple turn an blind eye, just imagine, someone will definitely figure out a way to sue Apple for things like OS reliability and stuffs like that on non-Apple hardware. So Apple will be acted on the issue quite aggressively, I reckon.

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What Apple should do is come out with a version that installs on a PC (perhaps on intel cpu & boards only), but have it in the user agreement to NOT sell the OS with a pre-built system or a compleat system thats sold as a DIY kit.

 

Then that way everyone is happy. People can build there own that know how, and people that cant can buy a system from Apple.

 

If lets say someone wants to sell there system that they built and put it on eBay (with the OS), well they can't, because that would violate the user agreement and eBay would pull the ad. And if someone creates a site to sell pre-built or DIY kit system with the OS then it would be shut down because its in violation of the user agreement.

 

 

But in the meantime I will stick to building my own system and using Vista. If I cant build a Mac system legally there's no point. :D

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