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Ok I totally agree this is bad for us successfully running osx on non apple hardware in the near future... on the other hand it's kind of funny because apple now has a big bullseye to shoot at... and we get to sit back and giggle.

Proceed with the pants being sued off of someone!

Although... somehow I still feel like I've lost a tiny bit of "geek prestigue" with the local IT crowd...

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I do hope this pressures apple to make an expandable computer (I repeat myself) for a lower price point. The mini is a nice concept, but 2 PCIe slots would be nice. Even an ExpressCard/34 slot would be nice. Then I could hook up my Magma.....


the lack of a expandable core2 apple desktop is the only reason i built my hack. if they have had one, i would have bought it! i don't need a xeon 8 core machine just to plug my 2 eizo monitors in and run photoshop!

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These clowns trying to sell clones have no legal recourse and they'll be squashed like a bug irrespective of what goes on here.

I just hope this doesn't force Apple's hand with regard to putting a bullet in OSX86.

I don't think Apple necessarily has the tools to completely break OSX86. They can definitely find ways to break certain installs, of course. Why do you think the anti-piracy tool in OSX is called "Don't Steal Mac OSX.kext"? What you may see is Apple being more agressive to break hacks, but much like the iPhone, the community will always find a way around it.

However, companies like this have no chance at all. I hope they're an LLC, otherwise this person is going to get taken for everything they own and more. I really can't see them getting a large enough customer-base to be any sort of threat to Apple. Anyone's product, Apple included, are worth what people are willing to pay for them. If people are willing to spend over $2000 for the higher-end models, and they own the only legitimate way to sell the OS, what incentives do they have to stop?

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What you may see is Apple being more agressive to break hacks, but much like the iPhone, the community will always find a way around it.


Definitely.. Nothing is hack proof. I should have written "Make it a whole lot more difficult".. Which still has a negative effect on this site (and on potential newcomers). It's a hard enough learning curve as it is :D

Cheers,

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well said, but you cant stop people from doing things like this at least trying... Well wheter it is right or wrong, it will bring serious attention and will force Apple to take action before it goes out of control! I love Mac Design and Softrware, but that doesnt mean they should mark up 80% from something that would otherwise cost half if not less worth bcoz of a brushes shinny body? Apple doesnt make PCs! why should they charge double if not triple what it worths... Also, I am not sure about if Apple OWNs the OSX or licensed/certified it from Unix? Leopard is an Open Brand UNIX 03 Registered Product source

We know that Apple will trash the site, but It is a nice pressure on Apple to bring some awereness...

Apple would be plainly aware of this site and the number of hackintosh machines in circulation.

Just like MS there is a level of healthy piracy allowable (up until Vista anyhow).

In the case of Mac it's even more beneficial as not very many people will bust up $2k just to "try" something new.

OSX86 gives people the ability to try before they buy and I'd be certain the execs at Apple know and welcome this, but you'd be a fool to think that the method and ability to stop OSX86 dead in it's tracks hasn't already been designed and developed. Once Apple decide they've reached a critical mass of hackintosh users they'll flip the switch and hope the mass buys a real Apple.

These clowns trying to sell clones have no legal recourse and they'll be squashed like a bug irrespective of what goes on here.

I just hope this doesn't force Apple's hand with regard to putting a bullet in OSX86.

Cheers,

Arkay.



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I fell how many feel about this... The company give NO credit to all the developers that worked hard on a kext, for patching leopard or netkas to developing EFI V8. I know I own a real mac but I still support the OSX86 project 100% its a great way to get used to OS X before you get it. Psystar crossed the line though, this was meant to me nothing more than a simple hobby but they are trying to turn it in to a industrial chain and are trying to make money off other people sleepless nights and hard work, that is just wrong. We the members of insanely mac need to get a internet petition together and demand the discontinue of selling pre-installed leopard on them. It is fine they sell a computer that is ready for the install but they shouldnt charge people for what they can acquire on their own for what it was meant for, a hobby and not for resale.

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This is horrible and down right wrong. They are benefiting from the work of developers without ANY consent whatsoever, they are linking to InsanelyMac and dumping all their troubleshooting on us. Someone start a petition for this to STOP THIS MADNESS:

http://www.petitiono...e_petition.html

:D Down with Psystar!!!

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@Macgirl - let the lawyers at these guys, the last thing this forum needs to be is dragged into a lawsuit because a few a$$es wanted to make a few bucks off others work.


I can't find anywhere on their site the actual specs of this system, has anyone heard what mobo they are using for the build, etc? I've got to imagine all the hardware they are using is listed in our wiki and they have to be members of this forum too. They should be banned and their IPs blocked but who am I to be judge, jury & executioner ...

I'm also with those of you who have built a hackintosh, loved the experience then bought a mac. I keep my hackintosh for the fun of keeping it working (no vanilla kernel here, since it won't run with my cpu)

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So there you have it: a non-Apple PC with Leopard pre-installed. Well, good luck with that lawsuit.
P.S: If you would have bought those Xserves instead maybe your website wouldn't be down. >:(


LOL :D

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well said, but you cant stop people from doing things like this at least trying... Well wheter it is right or wrong, it will bring serious attention and will force Apple to take action before it goes out of control! I love Mac Design and Softrware, but that doesnt mean they should mark up 80% from something that would otherwise cost half if not less worth bcoz of a brushes shinny body? Apple doesnt make PCs! why should they charge double if not triple what it worths... Also, I am not sure about if Apple OWNs the OSX or licensed/certified it from Unix? Leopard is an Open Brand UNIX 03 Registered Product source

We know that Apple will trash the site, but It is a nice pressure on Apple to bring some awereness...

Of course they own OS X, and of course they have probably licensed/are allowed to use some things not invented over at Apple, that doesn't mean they have less of a ownership or right to decide what they want to do with their product (as long as their licenses/agreements allows that of course.)

It's not "from Unix", even thought BSD are indeed made from Unix, the branding are just a certification as in a test to see if it behaves as unix does. It doesn't mean much. I could be just as much unix without being allowed to be called unix.

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the case they are using for this thing is amazingly close (but still quite different) to the case I have my fake mac pro in (see link in sig)

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Guys, this sucks. None of us are making money "copying" others efforts. Many people have burnt their midnight oil to get that pc efi v8 emulator which they are boasting about. And many have contributed to get the odd soundcard, graphics string working. Now many noobs many not know about us and they would think that Psystar is the messiah. But if Apple returns with a vengeance we all will bear the brunt of it. However, like many others I do believe that God is with us, we have managed to survive and we will... no matter what. Psystar will pay for plagiarism and hence their bad karma.

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the case they are using for this thing is amazingly close (but still quite different) to the case I have my fake mac pro in (see link in sig)


I wish i can help clean your room... i can't stand it... grrr...

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Steve Jobs will always be Steve Jobs and apples philosophy will remain standing for quite a while. If somebody to come up with non apple computer with leopard installed without apples permission its doomed to fail, legally that is. But no matter what, we are going to here, alive and well :P !!! Plus if you think how project osx86 evolved there is no way it can stop now... in fact i predict that in the near future our installs are going to be no different and not recognizable by apple at all and all updates including kernel are going to be 100% compatible...

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They're using the same case on the OpenPro that I have. {censored}.

Maybe I should get a new case, so people won't think that I associated with these people.

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Purple Puppy.... Your statement is asinine. "And when enough companies decide to sell computers with OS X installed, then Apple can't really do anything about it. "

The company who wrote the OS can do nothing about it???

Do you think it would be hard for apple to switch to another processor as they have done 3 times before.

Not only that, but the legal team will have a field day with all the companies ILLEGALLY SELLING their OS....

Hacking is one thing. Thats a free thing. BUT Deliberately and illegally profiting off their work??? Whats the point of Licensing agreements and Patents.....

Of course we cry this till the shoe is on the other foot. Ask all the Starving musicians who put out a CD only to have it copied everywhere. They don't recover their upfront costs and they don't get proper recognition. We often look at the 10% that gets noticed, but forget about the other 90% that gets screwed. (I am sure the stats are a tad more liberal than my exaggerated estimate)

I do hope this pressures apple to make an expandable computer (I repeat myself) for a lower price point. The mini is a nice concept, but 2 PCIe slots would be nice. Even an ExpressCard/34 slot would be nice. Then I could hook up my Magma.....

as a producer/beatmaker/dj i second your comment, ya heard me.

i HATE laptops but apple refuses to make a dual core mac pro for musicians, apparently they only care for those artists who work with video, i don't need 4 or 8 cores (i've looked for excuses to get a quad core but i still haven't found one true reason yet, just excuses). plus, i can upgrade my current pc for half the cost of a comparable equipped mac pro.

i want to know what motherboard they are usin' too. i betcha that they are usin' the cheapest parts that they can find. it will cost me over a $1000 to upgrade my pc with a intel e8400/asus p5n-t deluxe (i'm replacin' everything except for the hard drive and dvd burner, i'm even gettin' a new case even tho' my old case is still good...)... but i'm usin' top of the line parts from newegg. but since i will use it for music production i really can't afford to go cheap when it comes to parts.

^ok, so i may be off, i forgot about the fact that you get parts cheaper when you buy them in bulk/sets of 100's and 1000's...
ASUS P5N-T Deluxe

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I simply cannot believe this. This reminds me of people selling warez. We are blessed with netkas, kalyway, JaS, etc and now we are faced with the extreme exploitation of this community. And to top it all off I.M. = Psystar's tech support? I don't think so. Profiteering gluttons.

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I can't believe the audacity of this company--the balls they must have to mention EFI v8 as if it's something they created, and then direct their customers to InsanelyMac, like we're all sitting around to tend to their customer service! Wow. That's all I can say. Wow.

I visit this site daily, and I'm amazed that Apple has left us alone for so long. This may be the straw that breaks the camel's back.

I hope InsanelyMac's management is considering some legal action. Seriously. Beyond that, however, this is the sort of thing that "our community" needs to put an end to *before* Apple does--self policing. This is an act of betrayal to "this thing of ours," and it can not STAND!

What can we do about this? (And I'm not talking about petitions.) As a former "script kiddie", I can think of a million ways I would have marshalled the forces of Hell against these guys more than a decade ago. Do people even do DOS attacks anymore? Anyway... At this point, I think we need to show Apple that *we* can deal with bad apples in our community. That would go a long way to prove that we're not a real threat to their business. At this point, I think that's the only plan of action that can save InsanelyMac and the OSX86 movement.

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This is the thing that pisses me off about it. If you're a company that is selling a product, the company has a responsiblity to support it. Don't advertise it then tell people to come to a forum that is soley dedicated to hacking OS X. That's just in bad taste and will more than likely hurt the company (not that selling OS X won't do it either) and hurt the community here.

Not one of us makes any monotary gains from doing this to our computers. We (the users) do it because it's fun and interesting to do. Most of us actually BUY from Apple because of this site (myself included) and without this site it might not even had happened.

I'm not saying that with this site Macintoshs' wouldn't have been bought I'm just saying this site has certainly made Apples' wallet bigger. For a company to just advertise this {censored} is appalling and how they're going about it is just plain idiotic



I agree with Rufus, it seems to me to be a huge underestimation of peoples intelligence on all sides of the OSx 86 fence, by introducing this product to the world they have drawn unnecessary attention both good and bad to the fact that people are using Osx on non Osx hardware, as you rightly pointed out the idea behind the movement is not one of commercialism and people really do buy Macs or at least Mac products, as a result of their HOBBY interests in Osx. Hopefully this is a storm in a tea cup and that the storm quickly passes!!!!

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But can we believe that Apple never know about x86 project ? so why it never did anythings yet about that?

I think it is the time to Apple to make upgradable mac mini and other devices (hope they do so)





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