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Hello everyone:

 

When the 8.04 versions of the *buntu distros come out, I am debating whether or not I should use Ubuntu or Kubuntu. Honestly, the question is whether you personally prefer KDE or GNOME? Sometimes I feel like I want to try Konqueror as a web browser. Is all of this worth it? I am also wondering this in terms of installation inside Parallels Desktop on Mac OS X.

 

And, does all Ubuntu software work in Kubuntu?

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Personally I prefer GNOME over KDE (3). I've read that KDE 4 has some pretty nice features, but it doesn't seem ready for everyday use for me--maybe when 4.1 is out.

 

GNOME seems to have a more simplistic OSX-feel while KDE for me is a bunch of settings I don't feel like changing. There's a big debate about it all, some people say GNOME devs are trying to "dumb it down" too much, etc.

 

I guess it's mostly about personal preference, here's what I recommend: start with Ubuntu when 8.04 comes out, then you can download the "kubuntu-desktop" package. That will give you KDE also. Then when you log in (under options or session or something at the GDM screen) you can choose KDE or GNOME. Just try both out and see what you like!

 

EDIT: And yes, if you download a KDE app while using GNOME, that KDE app depends on certain KDE libraries, etc. which Ubuntu will automatically download for you (and vice-versa). It may look a little out of place and take a bit longer to start up an app for the other desktop environment, but it should work. :)

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does all Ubuntu software work in Kubuntu?

 

Yes, they are basically the same distribution.

Personally I prefer KDE, but I don't like what Kubuntu does to KDE.

If you want to know what I mean, compare a KDE Live CD (for instance openSUSE or Mandriva) with Kubuntu.

IMHO, openSUSE has the most polished KDE desktop.

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Yes, they are basically the same distribution.

Personally I prefer KDE, but I don't like what Kubuntu does to KDE.

If you want to know what I mean, compare a KDE Live CD (for instance openSUSE or Mandriva) with Kubuntu.

IMHO, openSUSE has the most polished KDE desktop.

 

I am thinking about downloading openSUSE tomorrow. Is it good? I'm feeling attracted to the KDE version right now for some reason.

 

Question:

 

On their website it talks about downloading via BitTorrent. I know that Transmission is a good Mac OS X BitTorrent client so I downloaded it and just attempted to open the openSUSE .torrent file in it and it worked. Should I download via that or Http/Ftp?

 

And is downloading openSUSE via Transmission legal? Is it a legitimate file or does it contain a virus or trojan? Pretty sure it is safe.

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lol, torrent protocol is not illegal, piracy is illegal, linux is freely distributable.

as long as transmission does check the hash of the file, you're sure that the download is good, always use md5 to crosscheck the hash you find on the website tho

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lol, torrent protocol is not illegal, piracy is illegal, linux is freely distributable.

as long as transmission does check the hash of the file, you're sure that the download is good, always use md5 to crosscheck the hash you find on the website tho

 

Oh good idea. I forgot about md5. :(

 

Thanks.

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I prefer Gnome, stable and ergonomic

KDE here. Used the 3.x series for years and stable as OS X.

 

On their website it talks about downloading via BitTorrent. I know that Transmission is a good Mac OS X BitTorrent client so I downloaded it and just attempted to open the openSUSE .torrent file in it and it worked. Should I download via that or Http/Ftp?

Http/Ftp is likely to be faster for releases that have been out for some time. (fewer seeders on bittorrent)

Best bet is try both and see if one is considerably faster. (torrent speeds fluctuate so minor differences probably are insignificant)

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Ubuntu. By far.

 

Because of Gnome, yes, but overall it seems like Ubuntu is the "real" distro, as opposed to Kubuntu being the "little brother" with KDE.

 

Personally, I like Gnome much better than the KDE interface, and also like the apps that come with it (okay, amarok is orgasmic, I know).

 

Regardless of which distro you have, you can install the other gui - I have ubuntu but can boot into a KDE or Gnome session. Therefore, the discussion essentially boils down to which gui's native apps you like better. Maybe it's because I spend more time in Gnome, but I prefer its apps and the "human" interface much more than KDE's "blue" interface.

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Well, I installed Ubuntu 7.10 (GNOME) in Parallels successfully. I tried the thing with installing KDE along side it, but it didn't work. Oh well, I guess I like GNOME.

 

The only thing is that I really want to try Konqueror. For those who use Linux all of the time, you would probably say it's "not that great", but I want to test it and try other K apps too.

 

So I've started to download openSUSE. I paused it, wondering if I should download Kubuntu or just keep downloading openSUSE.

 

I also have the option to clone my current Ubuntu installation and try to put KDE over it, which actually might work. parm289, can you give me the exact code to do what you did with installing KDE on Ubuntu?

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You literally install kde as an application if I'm not mistaken. I did this a while ago, but I'm pretty sure you'll find it in Add/Remove or Synaptic. Shoot me a pm if you can't find it and I'll see if I can help you out.

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The only thing is that I really want to try Konqueror. For those who use Linux all of the time, you would probably say it's "not that great"

Actually I find Konqueror quite good.

 

So I've started to download openSUSE. I paused it, wondering if I should download Kubuntu or just keep downloading openSUSE.

Well, try both. I am pretty sure once you try openSUSE you won't go back

 

I also have the option to clone my current Ubuntu installation and try to put KDE over it, which actually might work. parm289, can you give me the exact code to do what you did with installing KDE on Ubuntu?

http://www.psychocats.net/ubuntu/kde

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Ubuntu is good. Just ordered 4 free CDs from Ubuntu ShipIt (Ubuntu Desktop 32 bit, Ubuntu Desktop 64 bit, Ubuntu Server 32 bit, and Ubuntu Server 64 bit). All come in professionally labeled discs plus you get 4 free Ubuntu stickers to stick all over your compy :poster_oops:

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Novell made a mess of OpenSUSE 10.3 with KDE, they put alpha KDE4 in and replaced the KDE3 ones, very bad mixing stable with unstable alpha stuff. Novell are driven to get KDE4 out as default without realizing it's very buggy and lacking in features and apps.

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Ubuntu is good. Just ordered 4 free CDs from Ubuntu ShipIt (Ubuntu Desktop 32 bit, Ubuntu Desktop 64 bit, Ubuntu Server 32 bit, and Ubuntu Server 64 bit). All come in professionally labeled discs plus you get 4 free Ubuntu stickers to stick all over your compy :poster_oops:

 

Free=good is not always true. Some of the best things in life are not free. Besides I don't like unfair competition. SUSE used to cost $90 before Novell took it over, and I was quite happy to pay for quality.

 

Novell made a mess of OpenSUSE 10.3 with KDE, they put alpha KDE4 in and replaced the KDE3 ones, very bad mixing stable with unstable alpha stuff.

 

How did you come to that conclusion? Not only KDE4 in not the default, but you can easily deselect it when you install (or later, for that matter). I have chosen to have both KDE3 and KDE4 installed and they don't interfere with one another in any way. Besides I have easily upgraded the original KDE4 alpha to KDE 4.0.3, which is quite stable.

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Free=good is not always true. Some of the best things in life are not free. Besides I don't like unfair competition. SUSE used to cost $90 before Novell took it over, and I was quite happy to pay for quality.

 

Quality is in the eye of the beholder, but free stuff is always better than having to pay for something no matter what. Because if you get something for free and find out if it is {censored}, you can then throw it away (cause it was free) and go buy the quality stuff. Whereas, if you buy something and it is {censored}, you just wasted money.

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Quality is in the eye of the beholder, but free stuff is always better than having to pay for something no matter what. Because if you get something for free and find out if it is {censored}, you can then throw it away (cause it was free) and go buy the quality stuff. Whereas, if you buy something and it is {censored}, you just wasted money.

 

In any case the only difference between Ubuntu and the other distros is that you have to download the latter (for free). As nowadays almost everybody has a fast internet connection, it makes hardly a difference. Besides I am pretty sure a lot of people do download Ubuntu, in order to get it faster.

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Free=good is not always true. Some of the best things in life are not free. Besides I don't like unfair competition. SUSE used to cost $90 before Novell took it over, and I was quite happy to pay for quality.

 

 

 

How did you come to that conclusion? Not only KDE4 in not the default, but you can easily deselect it when you install (or later, for that matter). I have chosen to have both KDE3 and KDE4 installed and they don't interfere with one another in any way. Besides I have easily upgraded the original KDE4 alpha to KDE 4.0.3, which is quite stable.

 

Your not getting what I'm saying, by default they install KDE4 alpha games with a stable SUSE 10.3 KDE3.5 install, the games themselves were not even finished and replaced KDE3 games. I've tried 10.3 and found it quiet disturbing they even did this by default mixing alpha with stable for a default KDE install.

 

I agree KDE 4.0.3 is much better but at the time of opensuse 10.3 release it was very poor.

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Your not getting what I'm saying, by default they install KDE4 alpha games with a stable SUSE 10.3 KDE3.5 install, the games themselves were not even finished and replaced KDE3 games. I've tried 10.3 and found it quiet disturbing they even did this by default mixing alpha with stable for a default KDE install.

 

OK, but I never accept the default install of any distribution, except when there is no choice to change anything.

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Whats the beef with Ubuntu anyway? I for one see no problem with it, why don't you like it? Other than on a PPC iMac I have never had any problems on Ubuntu except for that one time I forgot my password, which was reset anyway in safe mode or whatever :rolleyes:

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Whats the beef with Ubuntu anyway? I for one see no problem with it, why don't you like it? Other than on a PPC iMac I have never had any problems on Ubuntu except for that one time I forgot my password, which was reset anyway in safe mode or whatever :rolleyes:

 

Actually I haven't said that I don't like Ubuntu in this thread.

What I actually said:

1)I don't like what Kubuntu does to KDE

2)I don't like unfair competition.

That is all.

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Between the two, Ubuntu. The Ubuntu team's focus on KDE is getting worse and worse. Kubuntu 8.04 is terrible, and the KDE4 "remix" should be a criminal offense.

 

That being said, OpenSUSE 11 blows both of them away. :)

 

Novell made a mess of OpenSUSE 10.3 with KDE, they put alpha KDE4 in and replaced the KDE3 ones, very bad mixing stable with unstable alpha stuff. Novell are driven to get KDE4 out as default without realizing it's very buggy and lacking in features and apps.

 

What? KDE4 wasn't even around when openSUSE 10.3 was released. The only way to get KDE4 on 10.3 is on the very alpha KDE4 LiveCD. OpenSUSE 11 is the first REAL KDE4 OpenSUSE.

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Between the two, Ubuntu. The Ubuntu team's focus on KDE is getting worse and worse. Kubuntu 8.04 is terrible, and the KDE4 "remix" should be a criminal offense.

 

That being said, OpenSUSE 11 blows both of them away. :)

 

 

 

What? KDE4 wasn't even around when openSUSE 10.3 was released. The only way to get KDE4 on 10.3 is on the very alpha KDE4 LiveCD. OpenSUSE 11 is the first REAL KDE4 OpenSUSE.

 

Yes it was, they mixed KDE4 alpha games with their KDE3.x.

 

openSUSE 10.3 will see the first small parts of KDE 4 creeping into the distribution. KDE 3 will still be the default KDE session for openSUSE 10.3, but KDE 4 will be making its way in steadily. The online repository will contain a current KDE 4 development snapshot, the DVD will have a fully functional and working KDE 4 session, and even on the KDE Installation CD you will have some KDE 4 games, KRDC and KR
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