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I have been thinking about apple, osx and x86.

 

Apple will probably never release an osx86 version.

 

Why do we want osx86? The reason I have read about is that people want to build their on system.

 

What if apple would sell motherboard and osx86?

Then they get money.

 

Average joe would still buy a mac but people like us will buy the motherboard.

 

Now, what do you seriously think?

 

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I duuno. Apple likes the money it makes on it's hardware. I don't see them every saying "screw it, we don't need that money!".

 

But I think, if the "hacking" of OSX86 reaches some sort of critical mass where and ISO can be used to install it on ANY PC with no fuss or command line tweaks. Then and only then I think Apple will look at becoming a OS company. With the food gates open, things could change.

 

But until the day the 14 year old in his basement can run the game of the month, as soon as it's out, OSX will never be "THE" OS of the masses.

 

They need to do for desktops what they did for MP3 players.

 

Every OS needs a killer app. Right now for the Joe six-pack user, OSX just has nothing for him. It's more of a very pretty Linux. You can dig deep if you want too but not for the day to day things.

 

Right now i think apple is letting all this "hackntosh" stuff slide because we are doing a lot of work for them. A few thousand people are doing beta work for them for free and posting results publicly. You can't pay for that :) It may be saying that a proper boxed OSX86 for non apples may be coming up. Apple has surprised people before.

 

If tomorrow I could buy OSX for my PC and it would be as fast or faster than the current Macs, I would pay for it. No question.

 

I could always dual boot for games ;)

 

cheers

DaJebus

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Apple really should release the OS. The Macheads are still going to buy their Mac anyway. If their hardware is really better, they shouldn't really lose any business...

 

Personally I see a great value in their hardware, and I'd purchase some if I could afford it. But since I already have a nice box...

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What if apple would sell motherboard and osx86?

Then they get money. :D

This is a lot of wishful thinking on a thread with a rather ominous sounding title.

It is well documented that Apple is foremost a hardware company and they don't believe in users upgrading their hardware piecemeal.

They want to sell you a package, the whole experience of owning an Apple, not just the skin, the flesh, the core or the seeds. What could possibly enticed them to sell to a few enthusiasts and poor souls the most important parts of their computer?

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This is a lot of wishful thinking on a thread with a rather ominous sounding title.

 

 

:dev: roflmao I thought this was gonna be something antisemitic

 

The fact of the matter is apple likes developing it's os for ITS platform it's just plain easier for them. They spend less time working on writing device drivers and they get the comfort of knowing everything just plain works. AND they getta make a bundle selling their hardware hahah it's just good bussiness

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i'm a little sensitive about the phrase, "The final outcome!". i know you aren't trying to offend anyone by using it as a substitute for "the final solution", but it doesn't do the job. i'm just too darned thin skinned and bored to pass up on a opportunity to {censored} about something. grrrrrr

 

i suggest we all switch to Smurf as the common language. here is a bit of info from JasonZada.com that will explain Smurf to those that didn't grow up with it.

 

 

The Smurf language is bizarre. It can't even be called a language. They basically replace any word they don't want to say with Smurf. Example:

 

"I can't believe Grumpy smurfed the hell out of her last night."

"Yeah well, I'm smurf'in mad at the smurfy smurf."

 

This means the Smurfs were swearing quite a bit, because if one of the Smurfs hit his hand with a hammer, he would hell, "SMURF!!!". I think it's quite brilliant to come up with one word that you could use to mean anything, and disguise it anything bad you want them to say in a seemingly harmless manner.

 

so until all the smurfs stop smurfing around, and grow some smurfs, smurf is the answer. smurf on smurfs! :gathering:

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I stick to my critique and say Apple will find themselves basically with their pants down if OS X is shown to run as well or better on machines costing $400 or less. They can't make a living off software - even Steve Wozniak has commented in an interview some of his worst Mac software is Apple's.

 

Apple hardware is overpriced if you compare basic machine capabilities with rough equivalents from Dell - sure, you get a different LCD screen and maybe not the same graphics accelerator, but coming down to just simple memory/CPU horsepower/peripherals/memory standpoint, Apple asks a LOT for an iMac Core Duo.

 

When it's all said and done, what is gained by adding OS X? A pretty UI and not much else that isn't able to be mimicked by or even improved upon by Windows software titles, shareware, free, and commercial.

 

Honestly, big money is in consumer electronics, so Apple could re-tool to be an iPod company, maybe attempt another stab at a game console (remember Pippin?)...

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i suggest we all switch to Smurf as the common language. smurfs! :)

 

:whistle: Well, three smurfing smurfers sent smurfing PMs which smurfed and smurfed about the smurfing title so I smurfing well changed the smurfer. OK? :D

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Apple hardware is overpriced if you compare basic machine capabilities with rough equivalents from Dell - sure, you get a different LCD screen and maybe not the same graphics accelerator, but coming down to just simple memory/CPU horsepower/peripherals/memory standpoint, Apple asks a LOT for an iMac Core Duo.

 

When it's all said and done, what is gained by adding OS X? A pretty UI and not much else that isn't able to be mimicked by or even improved upon by Windows software titles, shareware, free, and commercial.

 

Ok, I'll bite. So where can you buy anything that looks anything remotely like the iMac? No way can you compare the cost of a cheap Dell box with a crappy LCD display (all of which are separate) to an iMac. The same thing applies a bit to the MBP which people say costs too much, and then forget that it weighs a whole pound less than the competitors. Apple does do a good markup, yes, but no one has anything that looks like some of their products really.

 

You can even use the same argument for the iPod, that it is just a bit pretty and that you can get something cheaper from someone else that works almost as well. :whistle: Not that I really agree, but you can say that.

 

The last statement is also untrue. I've used a lot of different skins and programs in Windows over the year that sort of make them look like OS X, but it still doesn't feel the same. You have used both right?

 

SMURF SMURF SMURF!!!!

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Apple will either get smart and release a commercial version or they will become a footnote again to Microsoft's copy.

 

Ok, I'll bite. So where can you buy anything that looks anything remotely like the iMac? No way can you compare the cost of a cheap Dell box with a crappy LCD display (all of which are separate) to an iMac. The same thing applies a bit to the MBP which people say costs too much, and then forget that it weighs a whole pound less than the competitors. Apple does do a good markup, yes, but no one has anything that looks like some of their products really.

 

You can even use the same argument for the iPod, that it is just a bit pretty and that you can get something cheaper from someone else that works almost as well. :blink: Not that I really agree, but you can say that.

 

The last statement is also untrue. I've used a lot of different skins and programs in Windows over the year that sort of make them look like OS X, but it still doesn't feel the same. You have used both right?

 

SMURF SMURF SMURF!!!!

 

True, Apple is a premium maker who offers something different than the Dells and HPs of the world. For that they will always have a small but loyal user base. However, most don't want something different and some want something practical.

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I disagree with the idea that macs are "different". I believe that the marketing angle is the only real difference, which seems to work with certain types of people. There is no think different when you are just another consumer in a long line who has bought something identical to the previous consumer. Windows and OS X are not very different from each other. Personally, I don't like the silver powerbook/macbook design. Also i'm using an old powerbook titanium 17" 667 g4, and it is literally falling apart because of the bad design. The majority of laptops from the same era (a few years ago) would be in much better condition. Not that I actually care what computer I'm using. People get snobby about this subject. We should all get on with debating things that matter more than who manufactured the machine and exploited us by profiting on our desires, such as should with have a revolution in England and behead the monarchy.

 

It seems OS X on regular x86 machines will always be an option for Apple. If there business is not going according to plan, then they can release a general version anytime they want to. Although this would seem to backpedal on a computer market that I perceive as containing elitist, middle class product fetishists. This is an observation, but does not apply to everyone using a mac. No offence intended to anybody.

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I resent being called an "elitist middle class product fetishist". I own a Mac, i'm distinctly upper class! ^_^

 

Elistism: It's lonely at the top but it's comforting to look down on everyone at the bottom.

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I'm not sure the majority of Apple users regard themselves as anything special. In my experience they fall into one of three categories -

 

The business user who designs, creates or manipulates material for publication;

The domestic user who doesn't understand computers but wants something relatively painless to use;

The die-hard 'my computer is better than yours and this is why' brigade.

 

Maybe the latter are fetishists. The first two categories would wonder what all the fuss is about.

 

Oh, and yes, I'll fess up to being a fetishist if you count the pleasure I get from running my fingers over the silky-smooth case of my Powerbook - oooh! ^_^ - I hate the design of the Apple keyboard and mouse, though, I use third-party input devices.

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I'm not special. :(( I want a Mac just to feel special and revel in its beauty!!!

 

I like them partly due to having owned once since they 1st came out. That and I think they are well-built and I like how they look...and of course, OS X itself. :)

 

I still say they will never release a commercial version of OS X. :)

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