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So to do anything that requires a CD/DVD drive, you now need to purchase a seperate, external drive?

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You can also use the drive of another remote computer

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Lostgame your comparison is not right, first the disk on the MBA is not SATA is IDE, ans is not $700 de diff but $550 because the RAM size.
Also you left 3 rows out: weight, size and LED screen.
Maybe those at not important to you, but for others have more importance than the rest of your comparison rows.

Another rows that I personally consider is the plastic/aluminium enclosure, for me those plastic Macbooks are like toys, and battery life and power consumption.

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air is air.accept it already.
it's not built to be concurrence of macbook.
it's built for office application ,listening mp3,watching movies,browsing the web.and there's no need for some power to do that stuff right.
i mean,there's no need to compare those two machine cause it's stupid ... [no hard fillings]

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Yeah, it should be compared to other small/light/ultraportable notebooks.

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Lostgame your comparison is not right

Not to mention the fact that he's still comparing apples to oranges, or in this case, a full sized laptop :rolleyes:

The correct graphics chip is an Intel North Bridge GS965, the video chip is a Silicon Image SIL1392CNU HDMI chip.

he was just using a comparison to help him with his point.

Of course you're entitled to your opinion, but for the record I disagree.

the disk on the MBA is not SATA is IDE

That's correct, the MacBook Air comes standard with an 80 GB 4200 RPM Parallel ATA hard disk drive. This is the same route that they took with the Mac Mini, so SATA will be coming down the pike. The MB Air also uses a new style of aluminum heat sink, never used before in a MacBook, which is why they probably went with a 4200 RPM drive. I see great things for this laptop in the future. Check out the size comparison below next to a typical MacBook. They say a picture is worth a thousand words, and the picture below says exactly why this laptop will sell well :thumbsup_anim:

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...I just don't get it. It's like...about half the size...why is that worth $550? I just don't get it...it's so stupid to me...

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no insults please

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It's cool, it's thin, it's light, ok. if you remove an optical drive from the notebook it loses weight, if you remove a hdd drive and replace it with a ssd it loses more. But what happens if you need an optical drive to install smth or upgrade a ssd? well you can use another station's optical if you are at home or office (so: limited mobility - you still need another pc or mac), and you can always use an external hard drive for storage (limited again! - carry more item) or buy a replacement upgrade (maybe later). You can pay green papers to apple again and again.

So, if you want to build an ultra mobile computer, just remove everything.

There are also good things with Mac Air, really!. For example multitouch trackpad. Long battery life. Led display. But if i wanna buy a brand new mac, i prefer macbook pro.

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Apple wouldn't do it if there was no market. I personally wonder why people would care to have an ultra thin and light notebook so much that they would pay more and accept less features. Can anyone try to explain? I see the picture above and wonder what real difference would it make to carry around a Mac Air instead of a Mac Book. Do people not have enough space in there bags? Do they really notice the weight difference?

Mac Book 5.0 pounds (2.27 kg)
Mac Air 3.0 pounds (1.36 kg)

Less than 1kg difference. What fragile little person you have to be to even notice that when you're carrying the bag over the shoulder? Isn't it usually the case that you're not even carrying the bag for very long (into the car, out of the car into school maybe just to make an example). Couple of minutes at best. Especially kids these days don't walk for miles.

I would almost think the real selling point is the wow-effect. Look at my new ultra-thin notebook, ain't it rad? Please someone give me a real world application of the Mac Air so I can understand.

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...I just don't get it. It's like...about half the size...why is that worth $550? I just don't get it...it's so stupid to me...

I concur.

And with just over 3 hours of battery life (and no user replaceable battery), it's not even much of a portable, either. It's more like a trial laptop :blowup:

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Apple wouldn't do it if there was no market. I personally wonder why people would care to have an ultra thin and light notebook so much that they would pay more and accept less features. Can anyone try to explain? I see the picture above and wonder what real difference would it make to carry around a Mac Air instead of a Mac Book. Do people not have enough space in there bags? Do they really notice the weight difference?

Mac Book 5.0 pounds (2.27 kg)
Mac Air 3.0 pounds (1.36 kg)

Less than 1kg difference. What fragile little person you have to be to even notice that when you're carrying the bag over the shoulder? Isn't it usually the case that you're not even carrying the bag for very long (into the car, out of the car into school maybe just to make an example). Couple of minutes at best. Especially kids these days don't walk for miles.

I would almost think the real selling point is the wow-effect. Look at my new ultra-thin notebook, ain't it rad? Please someone give me a real world application of the Mac Air so I can understand.


Exactly my point.

no insults please


Not insulting, it's literally, by definition, stupid to pay so much more for something that has less features and no real benefit. It's asinine. And as Killersushi pointed out, there's even less than 1kg difference in the size. What's funny is the MacBook has the same sized screen, so this isn't even the 12" powerbook deal, this is literally the same screen size.

Please someone give me a real world application of the MacBook Air so I can understand.


And while you're at it, include a reason that you're willing to pay $550 more for less features. This is all I want to know.

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Not insulting, it's literally, by definition, stupid to pay so much more for something that has less features and no real benefit. It's asinine.

I wasn't referring to you, I delete a post with an insult. and in any case it is not stupid, it's a simple fact, you can't afford it. Paying for a BMW is not stupid just because a Toyota is cheaper.

And as Killersushi pointed out, there's even less than 1kg difference in the size. What's funny is the MacBook has the same sized screen, so this isn't even the 12" powerbook deal, this is literally the same screen size.

I carry two (yes 2) laptops plus their AC adaptors, cables and dongles. Very big difference in weight there. Again you are looking for you onw needs and thinking everybody are like you and again if it is not for you don't try to convince people that you are right, being right is the beginning of all wars.

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just to point out dell has been making ultra portables for a while. many users don't want to carry more than they have to, and will have a charger/ docking station at home and at work that also uses an external monitor. what i don't get from apple is that they make this great looking machine but don't seem to have plans to market a dockstation. also the benefit of using the same screen is that you have more viewing area. and the same screen isn't the same screen it's a LED back lit screen opposed to cathode back lit. sorry if i'm not making since but being in IT i don't believe i have to :wacko: though i'm sure my boss would say different. ne way lets hope they can sell it to the government so i don't have to fix dells all day :( oh also most business persons that opt for the ultra portable don't do anything but check email and stocks, maybe look at porn if they can get away with it :P

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I wasn't referring to you, I delete a post with an insult. and in any case it is not stupid, it's a simple fact, you can't afford it. Paying for a BMW is not stupid just because a Toyota is cheaper.


Wha-wha?! I can't afford it? I just bought a MacBook Pro, just because I felt like it, when I have a perfectly functional MacBook in the other room - I also just bought a 16 GB iPod touch, a $950 digital video camera and a pool table for my flat - I could buy a MacBook Air if I wanted to - it just doesn't make sense to me when a MacBook is, by all measures, a better machine for less money.

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a MacBook is, by all measures, a better machine for less money.

That is just your 'opinion'. Why are you trying to state it as fact when it's not? :blink: I think Macgirl has explained the situation very well many times over, and each and every time it just goes right over your head. The MB Air has many advantages over the standard 1990's boat anchor style of a laptop. Just because those advantages aren't important to you, doesn't mean they aren't important to somebody else. The proofs in the pudding, and time will tell whether the MB Air sells well or if people think like you. I'm guessing it will do pretty well. Sit back and relax. Let time be the judge :P

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I'm willing to bet the MacBook Air will flop.

And the BMW / Toyota example is such a poor, poor comparison.

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Less than 1kg difference.

Well that's one way to look at it. Another way is to say that the Macbook is almost twice as heavy as the MB Air ;)


the BMW / Toyota example is such a poor, poor comparison.

I think that was their point (hint, hint) :P It was the same kind of "comparison" as a Macbook to a MB Air, which is ALSO a poor comparison. Now why you can see that with a BMW/Toyota comparison and not a Macbook/MB Air comparison defies logic :D

For some people buying a laptop that is this thin (and light) is the main attraction. Plus I don't know of anyone buying it as their main computer. Most of the people that I know who are buying one have at least one other Mac in their arsenal.

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Well that's one way to look at it. Another way is to say that the Macbook is almost twice as heavy as the MB Air :censored2:


Uh, ok. Since you put a wink smilie at the end I take it you were being humorous.

I think that was their point (hint, hint) :P It was the same kind of "comparison" as a Macbook to a MB Air, which is ALSO a poor comparison. Now why you can see that with a BMW/Toyota comparison and not a Macbook/MB Air comparison defies logic ;)


The only thing that defies all logic here is you. If you look at the above picture and the difference in weight of less than 1kg, a comparison of the 2 is very logical.

I didn't bash the Mac Air, I merely asked for examples of real world applications that would explain why there seems to be a market. Other than just the wow-effect. You haven't provided any, instead you're resorting to analogies that are completely out of context (BMW vs. Toyota... what?).





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