consolation Posted December 16, 2007 Share Posted December 16, 2007 consolation, What's your new board? Is it the P5LD2 SE mentioned in your sig? The easiest way to get OS X working (if it is indeed to to old kexts being left over) is to do a complete Zero wipe of the partition/HD and install a clean copy of OS X. It's a Gigabyte GA-P35-DS3P, I just fixed it: it was the NTFS write access. NTFS 3g or some such. Once I got rid of it it's all good. I'll go update my sig.... Not OC'ing a core2 , but why!!! They do 3GHz+ on stock cooling - I mean why wouldn't you? You should get your Q6600 to 3.6~4 Ghz easy, Q6600 are good OCers, that's what I'd go for too, however, in reality I'd probably spend the money on a 8800. -Quads are good, but usually the other two cores are under utilised. I think the E4500 is an absolute bargain steal, With an x11 multiplier at 1333MHz you are running @ 3.6GHz, pure core joy. On our boards you'd be pushing it towards 5Ghz, with a bit of some serious cooling... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jimmizilla Posted December 16, 2007 Share Posted December 16, 2007 Yes, the Q6600 is a good OCer... but you have to be very good to get 4Ghz on stock cooling.... Or on air even.. Unless you WANT your chip to have an insane amount of voltage pumped into it and have it die in a few months... It all also depends on stepping, I believe the best stepping for a Q6600 is G0... On water you can probably get 3.8Ghz - 4Ghz... not on air... Also, to everyone who wants to dual boot any Windows with OSX: 1. It's way easier to have 2 HDDs 2. Vista would not install for me unless my BIOS was set back to IDE mode and my Vista HDD was the first in the Hard Drive boot order menu 3. There is a way to enable AHCI in Vista (Google) so you can just keep your PC in AHCI. If you switch to AHCI and try to boot into windows with it on, you will BSD before getting anywhere near your desktop... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
consolation Posted December 16, 2007 Share Posted December 16, 2007 Yes, the Q6600 is a good OCer... but you have to be very good to get 4Ghz on stock cooling.... Or on air even.. Unless you WANT your chip to have an insane amount of voltage pumped into it and have it die in a few months... It all also depends on stepping, I believe the best stepping for a Q6600 is G0... On water you can probably get 3.8Ghz - 4Ghz... not on air... 2. Vista would not install for me unless my BIOS was set back to IDE mode and my Vista HDD was the first in the Hard Drive boot order menu With only a couple of Q6600 to compare, I find around 3GHz is easy on stock cooling with default voltages; close to 4GHz with quality air. With my 4300 & water loop I can get a fair way over 4GHz, but it's annoying as the radiator fan has to be cranked up and the latencies on my RAM start to climb up unless I use ridiculously low dividers -making it a bit pointless. I never set the voltage past the 1.37V mark, bit higher than default for my chip, but lower than a Q6600's default. At 3.6GHz, voltage is at stock and temperatures stable at about 40~50 when under 95% load for an hour+. YMMV, I seem to have struck lucky with a good CPU. To use AHCI in Vista you need the drivers that came with our mobo's cd during vista install, you select the drive then add the driver from the thumb drive you expanded it to. Here's the trick, for some reason vista does not think it's compatible with your hardware so uncheck the compatible hardware box. Or, you can let it install in IDE then, after it boots, delete the ide bus. Shutdown and put the drive on the AHCI sata port, when vista reboots it will install a generic microsoft AHCI driver that works fine. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Suhail Posted December 16, 2007 Share Posted December 16, 2007 Quick update: I got the 7600GT instead. I am most probobly not going to overclock (Hot enough in my room as it is) and I will not play any games at all (I got my xbox 360 for that ). so I thought the 7600GT will do. My cousin has the same card running on Leopard and it works fine with all the stuff I intend to do (Photoshopping, Web Design, School Work, Video Editing) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
~pcwiz Posted December 16, 2007 Share Posted December 16, 2007 I am getting the Q6600 G0 which is apparently better for overclocking. I am planning on using the stock cooler...wouldn't it be unsafe with a stock Intel cooler? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
socal swimmer Posted December 16, 2007 Author Share Posted December 16, 2007 I don't know about the Q6600, but here is what I found out about the e6750: 70°c is safe, 75°C is warm, 80°C is hot. So, you should not run it over 70°C for extended periods of time. I figured out that on the stock cooler, if I run it at 3.28GHz (410 MHz fsb) it maxes out at 71°C, which is fine since it should never stay that way for too long. However, this means no distributed computing for this computer. Temperature Monitor is very useful for determining the temperature of each CPU core, and it even has "extended drivers" for Intel core processorse. i.e. it is hackintosh compatible! You can put a readout in the menu bar, the dock, and/or a window. It also has a graph window where it shows the temp history as a graph, along with the max and min. if you get it, make sure to disable the HDD sensor. It is mostly pointless, and can wear out the hard drive as well as prevent it from sleeping. google searches should tell you how far you can go with the Q6600 in terms of temperature. I figured out that if you overclock the memory too far, it will try to start up like 5 times (and fail each time) before it defaults back to main clock speeds (on everything darnit). My current settings: CPU: 410 MHz * 8x = 3.28 GHz RAM: 410 MHz * 2.5 = 1025 MHz I will look into overclocking the video card, especially if I get a ATI 3850 (supposedly an underclocked 3870?). Off Topic: Seeing how ATI cards are slowly increasing in number (800 to 1900 to 2900 to 3870), do you think we will ever see another radeon 9200 or radeon 9800? that would be interesting .... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jimmizilla Posted December 16, 2007 Share Posted December 16, 2007 I think that it should be expected that the Q6600 will run just a tad bit hotter than the e6600 since the Q6600 is basically two e6600s stuffed under the same roof... As for stock cooling, you can use it unless you want to OC more than a few Mhz. Aftermarket coolers are only around $50 USD and I think they're a really good investment. Don't even try watercooling unless you're really serious about it and have more than $300 to spend, sub $300 water cooling is usually on par with good air cooling. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
consolation Posted December 16, 2007 Share Posted December 16, 2007 I am getting the Q6600 G0 which is apparently better for overclocking. I am planning on using the stock cooler...wouldn't it be unsafe with a stock Intel cooler? Nah, anything up to around 3GHz should be fine, it just might get a bit noisy as it cranks up under load. Once you are happy with the OC, use orthos prime for a couple of hours and monitor the temps, see where it stabilises under prolonged 95% load. It will never get this hot in real life, but you will know if the worst case scenario is safe. IMHO, always OC one thing at a time, i.e. keep your ram locked down to it's default or below while you ramp up the CPU, then bring the ram up. For the amount of money they cost these gigabytes are insane OC'ers... I'd invest in a decent air cooler, if just for the noise reduction. Having gone the water cooling road myself, I don't know if I'd bother again - the quality of air cooling these days is just so good. On the two Q6600 I installed for friends we used these babies I really recommend them (sorry about the new egg link, I'm assuming you are in NA? Apologies if I'm wrong.), they can take a quiet 120mm fan and let you take a Q6600 into about 3.5GHz -with temps not significantly higher than stock intel fan. Anyhow, back on the topic, it looks like AppleVIAATA.kext is servicing my AHCI drives, is this "normal"? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aliab Posted December 17, 2007 Share Posted December 17, 2007 Have you got Orange Icons of Hard Disk on Desktop ? Nobody? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
consolation Posted December 17, 2007 Share Posted December 17, 2007 Ok, in an attempt to get rid of legacy {censored} in the extensions folder, I transferred it from my GF's macbook which had a clean 10.5.1 install. Sooo... on the upside:. Sleep now works, although the computer can only be woken by a brief touch to the power button. I can shut down, but only by issuing a "sudo halt" command in terminal. And, no more AppleVIAATA.kext left over from Tiger. On the down side; all my drives are seen as external, and I cannot repair permissions. Since I boot in verbose, I can see a whole bunch of errors; I'll try to capture some - but they seem to relate to parts of the os being held by uid 99 as opposed to uid 0. However, so far this does not seem to interfere with OS X functioning, and I get a slight lift in geekbench. Attached is my screenshot, a picture can be worth a thousand words.... Any ideas? Have you got Orange Icons of Hard Disk on Desktop ?Nobody?Check my post above, I think you may have hit same issues as me. How did you install 10.5? I may have an idea, using this controller enables hot swap, so all the drives are now external. Sweet, my esata ports work. Now the permission thing is a worry, If I boot from my other partition, it tells me that permission cannot be repaired as they are disabled. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aliab Posted December 17, 2007 Share Posted December 17, 2007 BrazilMAC Apple Update 10.5.1 from a Tiger or Leo working partition then change some Kext efi script to V8 EDIT: Yes of course hard disks are see as external ORANGE !! Did you tried this command :sudo /usr/sbin/vsdbutil -a /Volume/XX (my disks are all GUID) PS: What is your cooling and what is this temp monitor in apple bar ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
consolation Posted December 17, 2007 Share Posted December 17, 2007 My hard disks are not see as external but simply ORANGE !!Did you tried this command :sudo /usr/sbin/vsdbutil -a /My hard disks are not see as external but simply ORANGE !! Did you tried this command :sudo /usr/sbin/vsdbutil -a / (my disks are all GUID) PS: What is your cooling and what is this temp monitor in apple bar ? Yep, I just found http://docs.info.apple.com/article.html?artnum=108006 Handy to know, you can disable ownership check, edit your system files (without having to password nag screens all the time), then turn permissions on again, fix 'em, and you're away laughing. That fixed the problem nicely... Thanks. The temp monitor is err... "Temperature Monitor (lite)." The Network and CPU monitors are courtesy of "Menu Meters." I'm using a danger dan block, the rest of the water loop (NOW with ALGAE!!!, How the F**K did it manage to grow in a glycol/corrosion inhibitor mix is beyond me, but I've got to pull the whole loop to bits and clean it out.) is a mix of bits with an el-cheapo thermaltake waterblock on my video card. Orange drives are icons for external, weird. Or, are they HD icons that are tinted? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
consolation Posted December 17, 2007 Share Posted December 17, 2007 I think i can replicate some of the weird behaviour - it seems to occur when you use the 10.5.1 update from another partition. On my box, it'll also completely stuff up my permissions - and yes gives me orange icons. I can fix things by using pacifist to reinstall the update. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rhalls Posted December 17, 2007 Share Posted December 17, 2007 o.k, so, social swimmer: THANKS for that guide. In installed Leo 10.5.1 in about 8 hours cuase i am a bit dumb... :-) My board on my test machine (similar to GA-P35-DS3P; its a G33-DS3) didnt recognize my USB Stick, i had to have it inserted when booting. So when i first installed EFI after formatting, i had the wrong diskID cause i wrote it down without the stick inside the machine... After reboot with the stick, the diskID changed, so the scripts were wrong. so i edited them, rebooted, no go. typed something wrong... I didnt ycout how often i rebooted from DVD... OFTEN. Buit now it works. Great. Thanks. Lets see how stable it is in the next days.... Did i say thanks? THANKS! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
socal swimmer Posted December 17, 2007 Author Share Posted December 17, 2007 hey I'm glad I could help you! Temperature Monitor is a third party app. same with menu meters. That is weird about the drives. Maybe if you have a brazilmac installation left over, you can see what kexts you don't have, and see if any fix the problem? diff -r /System/Library/Extensions /Volumes/oldbrazilmacinstallation/System/Library/Extensions <press enter> should show you any differences. I guess I was lucky, having my old eMac sitting right next to my new computer. I could just plug in and change whatever I needed to.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
socal swimmer Posted December 17, 2007 Author Share Posted December 17, 2007 Well I finally got leopard to boot again What I did that was bad was I used fdisk (on the install dvd, in terminal) to update the mbr machine code, which messed up efi. To fix this, I reinstalled efi. Since I kept getting "/dev/disk0: Resource busy", I rebooted back into the install dvd, opened disk utility and unmounted all partitions on that drive, went back into terminal, and typed in the offending line from the shell script by hand. It worked great. Now I'm trying to sort out why disk utility hates my file system grrrrrr. Can't do anything... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
consolation Posted December 18, 2007 Share Posted December 18, 2007 yeah, I'm picking up bits of OS of the floor atm, I managed to mangle both installs beyond hope. I'm having much weirdness with permissions - even when editing from a macbook. Oh, well, insanely long reboot #99 here we go.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Suhail Posted December 21, 2007 Share Posted December 21, 2007 Right I finally received this motherboard and got everything First of all I would like to say I did not use the ToH DVD like Socal Swimmer suggested. I used the ToH DVD instead Here were the steps I took for anyone intrested 1. Follow Socal Swimmer's EFI Bit 2. Install ToH DVD 3. Do the 9a581 Post Patch and Sound patch and Update 4. Enjoy Leopard I was successfully able to update to 10.5.1 and my Harddrives (WD SATA's) are successfully shown as internal. I would like to mention that the Leopard Partition is the only Partition I have on this Harddrive and I am not dual booting with anything. Thanks Socal Swimmer for your guide. It came in handy alot - Suhail - Posting from Safari Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chutsu Posted December 21, 2007 Share Posted December 21, 2007 Did you meet any glitches or flaws like not sleeping, restarting, shutting down the system, network problems? Thanks Chris Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
socal swimmer Posted December 22, 2007 Author Share Posted December 22, 2007 Hey I'm glad it helped! using the ToH method is just fine. I just went with mine because it involved downloading 30MB, instead of 4GB. Plus I felt better about buying OS X (lol). I will be adding a dual-boot guide very shortly. It is quite easy, after I de-screwed my computer (after screwing it up). As soon as it is fully working, of course. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Suhail Posted December 22, 2007 Share Posted December 22, 2007 Sometimes Shutting down and restarting tends to cause the system to hang at a black screen but a quick nudge at the power button solves it. Sleep works fine for all I have tested but you need to use the power button to turn it on which is a advantage for meh because my mum tends to walk past my computer and "accidentally" moves the mouse or presses a button on the keyboard causing it to turn on. Hurray Sleep Problems Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
consolation Posted December 22, 2007 Share Posted December 22, 2007 I ended up doing a clean install from a retail DVD. The only things that needed replacing were AppleSMBIOS.kext, AppleAHCIport.kext, dsmos.kext and the two patched sound files. All works well, reboot is 50/50, shutdown works 90% of the time. Waking from sleep requires use of the power button as mentioned above. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
socal swimmer Posted December 22, 2007 Author Share Posted December 22, 2007 I added a dual-boot guide onto the end of the original post, plus some troubleshooting with ethernet. I'm currently running a Prime95 memory stress test in Vista. :/ can you say mega-slow? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aliab Posted December 22, 2007 Share Posted December 22, 2007 I ended up doing a clean install from a retail DVD. The only things that needed replacing were AppleSMBIOS.kext, AppleAHCIport.kext, dsmos.kext and the two patched sound files. All works well, reboot is 50/50, shutdown works 90% of the time. Waking from sleep requires use of the power button as mentioned above. I ended also install from RetailDVD and Terminal but Stuck at mDNSResponder: Couldn't read user-specified Computer name: using default bMachintosh mDNSResponder: Couldn't read user-specified local hostname: using default bMachintosh What is your AppleAHCIport ? Thank's Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chutsu Posted December 23, 2007 Share Posted December 23, 2007 Sometimes Shutting down and restarting tends to cause the system to hang at a black screen but a quick nudge at the power button solves it. Sleep works fine for all I have tested but you need to use the power button to turn it on which is a advantage for meh because my mum tends to walk past my computer and "accidentally" moves the mouse or presses a button on the keyboard causing it to turn on. Hurray Sleep Problems Hey I was wondering if you could experiment typing: sudo halt, sudo reboot in the terminal and see if that works better than clicking the apple menu to shutdown! Let me know how it goes! Cheers Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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