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Thanks to Hackintosh, OSX has basically become to best Linux-like Distribution available


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Thoughts on this? The cracked version of the Leopard GM was released before the actual OS, and can be downloaded and installed with EASE for anyone with any computer know-how. I've installed Tiger on 5 computers now with no problems to speak of. If you know what you're doing (which most Linux users do anyway), it's as easy to dload and setup as a Linux distro. And compatibility and stability is really very good at this point, and getting better by the year.

 

The way I see it - legality issues aside, of course - OSX has become to the best Linux-like alternative OS out there. It's basically the way that I have come to view it. It's Linux but better with much better application support and a lot more apps than say Red Hat or Ubuntu. Gotta love it...

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That is what I used to believe some time ago, but then I realized that nothing can beat the flexibility of Linux and KDE (having used Linux much before OS X).

True, OS X has some quality apps, but they are all proprietary, which means that you must either buy or crack them. A minus in my book.

And then at every update you must wait for somebody to release a hacked version or write a how-to. Far from ideal.

Overall: I am much more productive with Linux.

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Where are the alternatives to apps like Photoshop though... Apps like Final Cut, Sibelius, Cubase, Pro Tools, Live?

 

Sure, you can say GIMP, LMMS, Ardour, Kino, etc, but those are really just toys compared to their commercial counterparts.

 

They run in MacOS or Windows, but not Linux, and all are badly/not supported by WINE...

 

Linux will never be a 'real' alternative to most people.

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Where are the alternatives to apps like Photoshop though... Apps like Final Cut, Sibelius, Cubase, Pro Tools, Live?

 

Sure, you can say GIMP, LMMS, Ardour, Kino, etc, but those are really just toys compared to their commercial counterparts.

 

They run in MacOS or Windows, but not Linux, and all are badly/not supported by WINE...

 

Linux will never be a 'real' alternative to most people.

 

Photoshop has been running fine for years under Crossover Office.

As to other apps I have a friend who can do amazing things with Wine, Crossover and Cedega.

Besides I'd strongly disagree that the GIMP, for instance, is a toy.

An interesting article:

http://grimthing.com/archives/2007/01/11/Gimp_vs_Photoshop/

 

Much depends on whether you are a professional or a home user.

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Photoshop is painfully slow and buggy as hell under 'normal' wine...

 

Where's an equivalent to Adobe Camera Raw for GIMP that has all the flexibility? How about a workflow dealing with dozens of 8MP images simultaneously. I've never tried to use the GIMP for any serious image manipulation, but it certainly feels like a toy compared to Photoshop. The UI is also hideously illogical (not that Photoshop's isn't, but it's better) - I'd guess it has the same design methodology as KDE, which I find rather difficult to get on with too.

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sorry… it is an insult to compare macos x to linux, but its the software + hardware designed and working together which really makes it excellent
An insult for OS X or an insult for Linux? :) Then I suppose you are talking about real Macs. Well, ask yourself why so many people in Italy use Linux and hardly anybody buys a Mac. Hint: money. The cheapest MacBook costs more than an average month salary.
Photoshop is painfully slow and buggy as hell under 'normal' wine...
I didn't say "wine"
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Crossover is a fork, I believe? It also isn't free. Kind of defeats the point of using a free OS if you have to pay for software just to make software you already own work again...

 

Crossover isn't a fork, most definitely not. Not free? well, it is very cheap and the price you pay can be seen as a contribution to the wine project.

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It's based on, and shares a lot of it's codebase with wine, no?

 

Then it's a fork.

 

I don't see how giving money to Codeweavers can be seen as a contribution to the Wine project, unless they submit their changes upstream...

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It's based on, and shares a lot of it's codebase with wine, no?

 

Then it's a fork.

 

I don't see how giving money to Codeweavers can be seen as a contribution to the Wine project, unless they submit their changes upstream...

 

That is not the definition of a fork. Ubuntu is a fork of Debian.

The Wine Project and CodeWeavers work closely together:

http://www.codeweavers.com/about/

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Linux will never be an alternative.Far too NOT user friendly even at the newest and popular distro's.Also it COMPLETELY lacks of professional applications and if you are to install just photoshop using a method the majority of users cant follow isnt exactly ideal (at least not in my book).Also it fails to recognize a lot of hardware.I found it amazing how OSX86 which simply IS NOT DESIGNED FOR PC'S will actually recognize all of my devices out of the box while linux will try to connect to internet to download all kind of cr4p and in the end nothing will actually work.

 

As to other apps I have a friend who can do amazing things with Wine, Crossover and Cedega.

 

Is that an argument? :(

 

i have a friend of mine who can do MIRACLES using MS Paint. Watch him do his miracles here:

(got the point?) ;)

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Linux will never be an alternative.Far too NOT user friendly even at the newest and popular distro's.Also it COMPLETELY lacks of professional applications and if you are to install just photoshop using a method the majority of users cant follow isnt exactly ideal (at least not in my book).Also it fails to recognize a lot of hardware.I found it amazing how OSX86 which simply IS NOT DESIGNED FOR PC'S will actually recognize all of my devices out of the box while linux will try to connect to internet to download all kind of cr4p and in the end nothing will actually work.

 

You must have tried Ubuntu :D

 

Is that an argument? :(

 

i have a friend of mine who can do MIRACLES using MS Paint. Watch him do his miracles here:

(got the point?) ;)

 

No, you missed my point or I wasn't clear enough. My friend can run the most amazing applications in Linux using Wine, Crossover or Cedega absolutely as if they were native!

If he can, everybody can.

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It depends on what you use your OS for. Leaving aside hackintosh which is a hack, just comparing XP, OSX and Linux the final choice will depend on what you need.

 

For gamers, photoshoppers and users with specialized needs ie apps that work on windows or OSX only the choice would be either. For the general home/office user who needs email, basic documents, internet, multimedia Linux is an excellent choice, with more functionality moving online - google docs for instance, it will make it that much easier.

 

Linux is very unique because of the way its developed, we don't realise it now but its a huge asset to computing, the sort of effort that has been put by thousands of people to make this work over the years is mindboggling. And this has come about inspite of little support from hardware or software vendors.

 

Wine is a really small project in terms of the entire linux open source thing but look at what it is delivering today, office 2003, playing windows games - arguably the most system intensive apps - easily in Linux or OSX. There are compromises for instance its only DX8.1, the quality is not as good as windows but guess what you can play TeamFortress 2 or Half Life 2 quite well and that has to be an achievement.

 

For people who have the perspective and have used Linux from the time even seeing a window on the screen (and horrifying ugly fonts) was thrilling the chinks people talk about are just problems that have yet to be solved. But they will be. Seeing something like Ubuntu now with compiz and just how usable the system is and what you an do with it is a pleasure because of the realization of how far Linux has come.

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Good post, raulb, I liked it.

I remember how many problems we had in the past. No online banking (banks insisted on IE), all the commercial plugins were very old and didn't work, our office suite was StarOffice and then OpenOffice 1.x.x, KDE and Gnome were both plain and ugly, so were the fonts, much work had to be done from the CLI... How far have we come.

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KDE and Gnome are both still fairly ugly. KDE moreso, especially when users can't be bothered to configure it, and let's be honest, because of the fine grain detail of cutomisability, it takes ages to do anything to make KDE work/look differently. IMO, my Amiga had a prettier UI in 1992, after proper high-res graphics became an option with the A1200!

 

That said, Ubuntu is my only OS on my laptop, because Vista sucks so much and it doesn't like XP. I can do everything I need to, and Compiz makes life more fun (and I'd argue it's pretty useful too, since I don't have to live without Expose :D) I don't really see why you're so militant about hating Ubuntu. From the perspective of somebody wanting a usable desktop OS, it beats any other distro hands down. It's fast, it fits on a single CD, it doesn't install loads of {censored} by default users are unlikely to want. The Ubuntu repositories are full of useful apps, everything 'just works' - I'm happy.

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Sorry usually I don't get involved in these types of discussions but... linux like? So you feel BSD Unix is linux like?

 

Linux is not a true Unix OS. It's a hybrid OS with a monolithic kernel.

MacOS is a flavor of BSD. It's not a hybrid. It is true BSD. Although the kernel itself is a hybrid MACH implementation. The rest of it is true BSD.

 

What you are saying is something like Windows is a linux like OS. They are not even on the same playing field.

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No, you missed my point or I wasn't clear enough. My friend can run the most amazing applications in Linux using Wine, Crossover or Cedega absolutely as if they were native!

If he can, everybody can.

 

You really don't understand what "native" means to some of us. Native to you must mean "it runs, without crashing and at a decent speed" to me native means "completely seamless with the operating system to an extent where I don't need to think about anything, it works and fits right in"

 

For example, Trillian on Windows is not a true native program because it feels like nothing else in windows and the UI is completely custom

 

Adium on OS X is completely native because it supports all the niceties of osx, spell checking, same shortcuts, same UI controls, everything behaves and looks as it should

 

Photoshop and other wine apps will never ever be "native" on Linux… but I doubt linux users would notice anyway their whole operating system is a mishmash of GUI frameworks, bet drag and drop hardly even works yet between that mess

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Linux offers something that OS X can never offer: Free open source software. Just because OS X has unix at its core does not mean that Apple is somehow less evil than Microsoft. Apple is just a smaller evil =).

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Linux offers something that OS X can never offer: Free open source software. Just because OS X has unix at its core does not mean that Apple is somehow less evil than Microsoft. Apple is just a smaller evil =).

 

Wrong - most anything that can be compile on Linux can be compiled on OSX. Actually, a lot of the more popular programs are getting OSX developed versions and those that still use X11 and KDE/GNOME can easily compile and run on OSX.

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Linux offers something that OS X can never offer: Free open source software.

 

http://pdb.finkproject.org/pdb/sections.php

 

All of the open source programs listed there can be run within OS X if one wishes. Also, there are some great open source native OS X apps. There is a list of many of them here: http://www.opensourcemac.org/

 

I guess "never" is very relative.

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I own and run a web development company. I use dreamweaver every day. The day linux gets a dreamweaver is the day i think about switching. and dont give me that crossover {censored} i tryed it and it's not "just like running a native app" like they all try to make you think. It have really bad GFX defects sense it's beaing emulated. So i cant get work done in it.

 

Also i agree OSX is the best!

 

I just wish apple would sell it for the PC. All hail steve!

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