RPS Posted October 22, 2007 Share Posted October 22, 2007 Yeah, as many of you don't know i am a UK punk, i don't have a mohwak i just wear leather jackets, normal jeans, yellow shoes and Johhny-Rotten style spiky hair! Anyway It came to me yesterday that "The Clash" my favourite band never did a re-union tour!! WTF they should have!! And the Sex Pistols (who i love aswell) did too many!! Don't know about sham69 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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velayo Posted October 22, 2007 Share Posted October 22, 2007 The CLASH? punk??? I consider the Clash as pop, nothing like gbh or sex pistols, too commercial imo. Great to know there are more punks around! Anarchy! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nev6 Posted October 23, 2007 Share Posted October 23, 2007 The CLASH? punk??? I consider the Clash as pop, nothing like gbh or sex pistols, too commercial imo. Great to know there are more punks around! Anarchy! actually they were kinda more whiteboy dub/pop-punk type ...stuff. {censored}, regardless. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RPS Posted October 23, 2007 Author Share Posted October 23, 2007 nev6: WTF is up with you mate, clash are amazing and they're not {censored}. I think youre {censored} so F You Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Special-K Posted October 23, 2007 Share Posted October 23, 2007 Not a big fan of the Clash. As for if they're punk, some songs. But if we're going by the realistic definition, then they weren't punk at all. Far too commercial. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nev6 Posted October 24, 2007 Share Posted October 24, 2007 nev6: WTF is up with you mate, clash are amazing and they're not {censored}. I think youre {censored} so F You you just upped the punk, watch out. meh, I'm done. I don't need to justify my judgement, but I could. Really. Trust me. Serious. ly. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ayanami Posted October 25, 2007 Share Posted October 25, 2007 Yeah, as many of you don't know i am a UK punk, i don't have a mohwak i just wear leather jackets, normal jeans, yellow shoes and Johhny-Rotten style spiky hair! Anyway It came to me yesterday that "The Clash" my favourite band never did a re-union tour!! WTF they should have!! And the Sex Pistols (who i love aswell) did too many!! Don't know about sham69 There were a few reasons The Clash never did a reunion tour. 1) Contract reasons. 2) Joe Strummer vs. Mick Jones 3) Topper being deported from the states for murdering someone 4) Joe Strummer is dead.... As for the notion that The Clash are not punk.... The early beginnings of Punk were not about 3 chords and snare drums. The Clash freely explored alternative, pop, the beginnings of punk, and reggae/dub. Many of the first "Punk" bands were not "Punk" by todays standards at all. Good example: Blondie. Never in a million years would you consider them a "Punk" band by todays standards. But back in the mid '70s, when they and The Clash, Television, The Ramones, and The Sex Pistols all started throwing their own styles around.....It was pretty different for everyone. I mean....we're talking about the same time period as Floyd's Dark Side Of The Moon... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
----------- Posted October 25, 2007 Share Posted October 25, 2007 I don't care whether they were punk or not..they made great music Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ayanami Posted October 25, 2007 Share Posted October 25, 2007 I don't care whether they were punk or not..they made great music Exactly...why do they have to have a genre label attatched to them? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
velayo Posted October 26, 2007 Share Posted October 26, 2007 Labeling is a natural human condition, therefore I label. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Special-K Posted October 26, 2007 Share Posted October 26, 2007 Punk is supposed to be all about non-commercialization. It was the whole idea of anti-record label, anti-merch, all that {censored}. So if we're gonna be debating anything, we should use what the original premise was. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
capybara Posted October 26, 2007 Share Posted October 26, 2007 Punk is supposed to be all about non-commercialization. It was the whole idea of anti-record label, anti-merch, all that {censored}. So if we're gonna be debating anything, we should use what the original premise was. im an old school punk dating back to the first sex pistols record. b4 the sex pistols [and the ramones in america] was DISCO. i remember it well. As soon as i heard the sex pistols sound , i had to get their record and i listened to it over and over and over. same with the the clash, the dead kennedys and many more. they were so radical for their day. im not sure punk was even meant to be "non-commericial, anti-record label." I think its "original premise" [not my phrase] was a do-it yourself, think for yourself, make your own music, dress like an individual, dont be afraid to stand out in a crowd, dont be afraid to be a trail blazer not a follower. To be "non-commercial anti=record label" in the music world in those days was equal to being anti-success. the sex pistols and the clash, ramones, souixsie sue [spelling?], iggy pop , etc, never were anti-success. I just love green day - one of the best of the modern punk bands - those who say they arent punk dont understand. Punk was never about doing like or sounding like Sid or iggy did 20 years ago. ############# end of rant. My fave punk videos- DL if u can! 1.Green Day - American Idiot 2. Muse - Stockholm syndrome Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ayanami Posted October 26, 2007 Share Posted October 26, 2007 Punk is supposed to be all about non-commercialization. It was the whole idea of anti-record label, anti-merch, all that {censored}. So if we're gonna be debating anything, we should use what the original premise was. No, I don't think so. Punk originally was about carving out a style of music that had no limits/boundries. Lots of the "Original" punk bands spawned the first waves of Alternative and New Wave, as well as punk as we know it today. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Special-K Posted October 26, 2007 Share Posted October 26, 2007 im an old school punk dating back to the first sex pistols record. There was only one sex pistols CD.... the sex pistols and the clash, ramones, souixsie sue [spelling?], iggy pop , etc, never were anti-success. The sex pistols actually never wanted to be successful. Hence why they never made any shirts or any kind of merch for that reason. They just wanted to create an alternate music. All the others ones, well I'm sure they weren't completely anti-success, but tried to look that way due to the whole rebellion look. And I completely agree that Punk spawned Alternative and New Wave. Punk and Glam Rock spawned what we have today. I don't mean 80s Glam Rock, cause that was Hair Metal. Glam Rock was mainly in the 70s. Like Alice Cooper for example. He's Glam Rock, or Shock Rock, whatever you wish to call it. But yea, I agree with what your saying Ayan. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nev6 Posted October 27, 2007 Share Posted October 27, 2007 I don't understand some of the replies here. Saying that punk was about DIY, but not anti-(major)record label is kind of contradictory, is it not? I've always identified more with bands like DK, Crass, MC5, etc ... kinda philosophy towards punk. Pretty anti-commercialization, or anti... art-compromisation at least? (maybe a word:P) and since commercialization and major labels kinda hinder your artistry/message (since you're producing a product taking outside opinion into consideration, rather that just making it to say something, or have fun, or whatever...) blah blah blah Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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