Atown Posted October 15, 2007 Share Posted October 15, 2007 google turned up nothing. but i know it can work in theory since it works on freeBSD. edit: whooops wanted this for tiger, but i guess leapard counts too. but if someone could move it that would be welcomed Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Forceman Posted October 15, 2007 Share Posted October 15, 2007 Compiz is a windows manager, how is it even supposed to work on OS X just by being freebsd port!, OS X has a composite functions just nobody has gone as far as compiz for plugins and effects. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Atown Posted October 16, 2007 Author Share Posted October 16, 2007 i found this post which made me curious http://forum.compiz-fusion.org/showthread....highlight=tiger Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lord_muad_dib Posted October 16, 2007 Share Posted October 16, 2007 also, free compiz i is for Xorg, it will never work on quarz out of the box Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Adrian Fogge Posted October 16, 2007 Share Posted October 16, 2007 For the most part, we will simply need to accept that Compiz in it's current form will likely never make it into OS X. The most that we can hope for is that Apple sees the benefits of what it has to offer and begins to create a similar plugin architecture for Quartz. Personally, I am a big fan of Compiz. I have it loaded up on my Macbook Pro right now through my Gentoo partition. If I were not as highly dependent on Windows for work and Xcode for everything else, I am certain that my Linux partition would be my #1 only so that I could use Compiz. It's Annotation system is extremely useful, however I do use several Extensions for OS X that gives me similar functionality. Compiz is sure great for presentations, though as it really is very visually stunning. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mr.manatane Posted October 16, 2007 Share Posted October 16, 2007 Compiz, the only one windows manager that give me the nausea thanks to the crappy effects every where. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Adrian Fogge Posted October 16, 2007 Share Posted October 16, 2007 I completely agree with the window deformations (warping), however it does have quite a few major benefits. For example, the slight wobbles when doing Expose (program resizing and going to it's position with a slight bounce back and forth while slowing) and the ability to preview what exists in your web browser tabs and other programs with roll-overs and the like. I could definitely see quite a few of these "nausea-effects" making their way into a future OS X release... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Atown Posted October 16, 2007 Author Share Posted October 16, 2007 and there are no other windows managers availible for os x? and if all this is true, then i spent $600 on an over rated os is kinda what ur telling me.... and if you say its more stable, as of right now ive crashed my mac mini more times in 2 weeks than my pc in the last year since i built it.... now is there a way to create a new window manager for tiger/leopard utilizing x11 or xorg? and/or is there a project i cant find with google due to people trying to install awn on linux so they have an OS X like bar? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
viniciusc Posted October 16, 2007 Share Posted October 16, 2007 First you should know Mac OS X (Darwin) is NOT based on FreeBSD. It does have some code from it, but it is mostly based on the Mach kernel. Second, Compiz would no way be ported to OS X, cause it requires a X server with compositing capabilities, and as you all know, the UI on OS X is called Aqua, which is proprietary. And lastly, why would you want extra fancy effects on a system like OS X? Isn't all those Aqua transparencies, shadows and deforming window effects enough? I don't know... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Atown Posted October 16, 2007 Author Share Posted October 16, 2007 And lastly, why would you want extra fancy effects on a system like OS X? Isn't all those Aqua transparencies, shadows and deforming window effects enough? I don't know... *watches following clip* *does same on laptop at school* no actually aqua isnt enough..... and actually IT CAN in theory work http://forum.compiz-fusion.org/showthread.php?t=4760 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lord_muad_dib Posted October 16, 2007 Share Posted October 16, 2007 as said tons of times(search the forum and see) quartz+coreImage uses the same equal identical technology of aiglx! all you see in that movie can be done but it must be programmed in a total different api! you can't just take beryl or compiz fusion plugins to compile and run! is it so hard to understand? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Envying Posted October 16, 2007 Share Posted October 16, 2007 is it so hard to understand? LOL, patient! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Headrush69 Posted October 16, 2007 Share Posted October 16, 2007 *watches following clip* No need, i had compiz running fine back in my Gentoo days, I know all about it. no actually aqua isnt enough..... The API (quartz) along with Core Image is there to do all kinds of fancy things, the problem is no one has written the ones you want, aka Apple. (Many would argue that the majority of compiz effects aren't overly productive for most users and hence why Apple isn't going to "mimic" many of them.) and actually IT CAN in theory work http://forum.compiz-fusion.org/showthread.php?t=4760 No, that was completely different. Even if you could get hardware accelerated 3D working with X-server, its only going to affect X based apps, not most OS X apps. (They don't use that X-server) So basically want you are hoping for, (getting compiz to work on OS X), isn't going to happen. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Atown Posted October 16, 2007 Author Share Posted October 16, 2007 as said tons of times(search the forum and see) quartz+coreImage uses the same equal identical technology of aiglx! all you see in that movie can be done but it must be programmed in a total different api! you can't just take beryl or compiz fusion plugins to compile and run!is it so hard to understand? its not good enough in my book No, that was completely different. Even if you could get hardware accelerated 3D working with X-server, its only going to affect X based apps, not most OS X apps.(They don't use that X-server) So basically want you are hoping for, (getting compiz to work on OS X), isn't going to happen. yes is can happen. is it eventually? who knows. will it always only work for x11 apps, if it works, then at first yes. but overall who knows. honestly im very suprised at the lack of creativity and invention for mac which is known for creativity.... honestly i'm just checking the limitations and not limiting my self by whats "impossible" because 10 years ago a terrabyte was prolly unimaginable and thought to be useless. edit: i dont mean to be insulting in any way, i guess i just bought a mac with a preconceived notion that it was more creative than windows (which at this point it is) but i guess not linux ya know? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mr.manatane Posted October 17, 2007 Share Posted October 17, 2007 edit: i dont mean to be insulting in any way, i guess i just bought a mac with a preconceived notion that it was more creative than windows (which at this point it is) but i guess not linux ya know? GNOME and KDE are a total rip off Vista/Mac OS X. Fast User Switching (Mac OS X) Desktop Search (Mac OS X) Bubble pop up from the task bar (windows) Black task bar with widgets (windows) Kickoff (windows) Plasma widgets (Mac OS X) http://www.ubuntu.com/testing/710rc http://polishlinux.org/kde/kde-4-preview-rev-723381/ It's what you are calling to be more creative ? let me laugh: mwhahaahahahahaahaha!!! And before you try it, no SPACES is not a rip off linux, it's a rip off CDE which was existing far before the beginning of KDE and GNOME. The OSS are like generic medications: they are cheap and work, but do not count on them to improve medicine. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Atown Posted October 17, 2007 Author Share Posted October 17, 2007 even though linux and unix both outdate mac, they have DSL under 50mb for an entire O/S, works on virtually any system and non-computer hardware (ps3, ps2, xbox, xbox360, watches), write guides for everything they do and show others how to do it, X system is the best - dont start on gnome/kde xubuntu did it right with x system, linux doesnt do fast user switching they use multiple workspaces they utlized before xp and use teh fancy cube cuz its seksi like that, ubuntu specific - has add/remove program so i dont have to do asinine google searches for software, etc i think they do pretty good. and if mac was so great compared to linux, then why dont have the coding projects ever work besides making a dinky little widgets (i love my Chuck Norris widget btw) and hours of work just to get a dual monitor setup working. yet this really isnt the place for this branched topic, so yeah Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Headrush69 Posted October 17, 2007 Share Posted October 17, 2007 its not good enough in my book You are making this statement without knowing anything about them. There is a huge difference between having the tools to implement it, and no one doing it yet. (or to your liking) (Look at the cube rotate in Parallels, or the water effect in Dashboard, its the same thing and can be done.) yes is can happen. is it eventually? who knows. will it always only work for x11 apps, if it works, then at first yes. but overall who knows. Your missing the boat and not listening to people who have programming experience. How many X based apps do most people use in OS X? Extremely few for the average user. So what the incentive for anyone with the skills to implement it? Why not just run Linux? "Overall who knows"; many of us. Compiz will NEVER be added to the native OS X window server. honestly im very suprised at the lack of creativity and invention for mac which is known for creativity.... honestly i'm just checking the limitations and not limiting my self by whats "impossible" because 10 years ago a terrabyte was prolly unimaginable and thought to be useless. edit: i dont mean to be insulting in any way, i guess i just bought a mac with a preconceived notion that it was more creative than windows (which at this point it is) but i guess not linux ya know? Sorry bud, plain FUD. This really has nothing to do with creativity of Mac users or developers. There are differences between proprietary OSes and open-source OSes and with closed OSes core GUI elements/effects are carefully chosen. Remember these are consistent interfaces are essentially identical across machines. This isn't open source where you can have multiple choices of X-servers, GUIs, etc on every level, and anyone can decide to fork or implement any new thing they want. Maybe in your eyes this means they aren't creative, but that isn't going to change anytime soon. At the very least I think you should wait until Leopard and see the useful effects its updated API provides and see how developers use it. IMHO some of the best GUI effects are the subtle little ones that most people don't even notice. (Active object highlighting for one. ) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lord_muad_dib Posted October 17, 2007 Share Posted October 17, 2007 plus, beryl/compiz is not done by the x.org fondation itself, but by others, so... why apple/quartz should be {censored} just becouse it doesn't do those effects out of the box in your opinion? even x org doesn't do anithing if you don't install compiz.. so it's {censored}? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Atown Posted October 18, 2007 Author Share Posted October 18, 2007 who said it was {censored}? not good enough and {censored} are too seperate issues. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
drougnor Posted October 18, 2007 Share Posted October 18, 2007 Atown, do yourself a favor, stop focusing on the 'pretty giftwrap' that you are with the Compiz thing and start digging into the abilities built into the OS. You'll find all the 'creativity' you were looking for in how everything works together with ease. OS X has SOOOOO much more going for it than 'looking pretty'. d Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Atown Posted October 18, 2007 Author Share Posted October 18, 2007 im not going for pretty, im going for extra workspace and productivity Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
drougnor Posted October 18, 2007 Share Posted October 18, 2007 So, you're looking for something like this. It's either that or wait until Leopard is released and get that for it's Spaces software. d Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Synaesthesia Posted October 18, 2007 Share Posted October 18, 2007 Leopard's spaces is going to rock. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
smjork Posted October 21, 2007 Share Posted October 21, 2007 Such a long thread about Compiz on this forum makes me smile and wonder... Lots of computer users tend to swing from one OS to another just by comparing GUIs. It's not bad since this is part of the user's future routine-boring-daily-computing-something life. Unfortunatelly this is the wrong approach on the what-shall-i-use question. In time i've learned that the best computer and the best OS are the ones that do what I need. So if this thread would have been a wish list then I would ask for: - Hardware developers/vendors to make a habit of providing Win/Mac/Lin drivers and software packages for their products - Adobe to port it's apps to Linux :-) (including former Macromedia ones) - Apple to take a peak at the open-source comunity and give back more than just plain Darwin - Both Apple and the open-source comunity to learn from Microsoft's success due to gaming market (DirectX vs what ?) - Microsoft to take two peaks at both Apple and the open-source comunity, learn from mistakes (Vista, WMP11, IE7, etc) and stop thinking that people are blind and stupid. (We already have governments specialised in this matter :-) ...) ... well ... the list could go on ... :-) So ... Compiz is an extraordinary achievement and a wide open gate to nodding non Linux users. But ... ;-) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cmdshft Posted October 23, 2007 Share Posted October 23, 2007 GNOME and KDE are a total rip off Vista/Mac OS X.Fast User Switching (Mac OS X) Desktop Search (Mac OS X) Bubble pop up from the task bar (windows) Black task bar with widgets (windows) Kickoff (windows) Plasma widgets (Mac OS X) Use what's given to you, else, make something better. If you can't, looks like you'll suffer, eh? Tough world, I suppose. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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