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fear not, MacNN says Blizzard's next patch will be universal binary.

 

Which is awesome...the only thing I use Windows for is WoW.

 

WoW supports Rosetta at the moment. Don't ask me how "nice" it runs, but it does from what I read into their forums :( The univ bin patch isn't that far anyhow.

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The 1.9 patch notes even talk about upcoming intel support, so I doubt it is long off now.

 

Plus, the demoed it on an iMac at MWSF. Runs the game very very well. :)

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The 1.9 patch notes even talk about upcoming intel support, so I doubt it is long off now.

 

Plus, the demoed it on an iMac at MWSF. Runs the game very very well. :)

 

Yep, it will come with 1.9.3 at the end of the month and from what I heard, the game is running pretty good on OSX in native.

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wonder how it runs right now, since it's not native yet...yet another app to install tonight, I guess... :)

 

Ok there is definitly something now we don't know : I tried WoW with my Radeon (so QE & CI) and it crashes the same way as DIabloII & Starcraft, while i can see the intro though, but crashes when the menu should display.

 

The thing is Blizzard managed to run it within their 10.4.3 dev kit (they said so themselves on their forums) and 10.4.4 users with a geniune macintel can run the game under Rosetta as well.

 

So how come our 10.4.3 straight from the dev kit doesn't run all Blizzard's games ? Yep i do have SSE2, but Doug has SSE3 and has the same bugs.. Really I don't understand... Could be some PAE patch or something, or the Radeon which isn't fully supported ? Shouldn't be the video card since diablo 2 & SC doesn't have to use OpenGL... They should work in VESA mode even logically.

 

There is something we are missing there, i guess only Maxxuss would be able to help us, though he doesn't seem to be very aware atm.

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@cyclonefr:

 

Don't get me wrong, it is very much appreciated to put you log in here for debug purpose.

But wouldn't it be nice to use the attachment function with a .txt file instead of this monster? :P

 

Only thing missing now is a reply to your posting with a fullquote in it, to make my day complete

 

Maybe PC GURU can help me with this *lol :)

 

So how come our 10.4.3 straight from the dev kit doesn't run all Blizzard's games ? Yep i do have SSE2, but Doug has SSE3 and has the same bugs.. Really I don't understand... Could be some PAE patch or something, or the Radeon which isn't fully supported ? Shouldn't be the video card since diablo 2 & SC doesn't have to use OpenGL... They should work in VESA mode even logically.

 

I have an athlon Venice that supports everything. (SSE3 NXXD and PAE). Also I have QE an CI with my Ati.

 

When I try to load Warcraft, it just loads and then dissappears after a while. So we can exclude issues with SSE3, PAE and NXXD.

 

Means: it is not a kernel issue, it is the patched rosetta.

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@cyclonefr:

 

Don't get me wrong, it is very much appreciated to put you log in here for debug purpose.

But wouldn't it be nice to use the attachment function with a .txt file instead of this monster? :D

 

Only thing missing now is a reply to your posting with a fullquote in it, to make my day complete

 

Maybe PC GURU can help me with this *lol :(

I have an athlon Venice that supports everything. (SSE3 NXXD and PAE). Also I have QE an CI with my Ati.

 

When I try to load Warcraft, it just loads and then dissappears after a while. So we can exclude issues with SSE3, PAE and NXXD.

 

Means: it is not a kernel issue, it is the patched rosetta.

 

Indeed, sorry about that TXT file, i'll try to edit my post sooner or later.

 

When you are speaking about Warcraft, you mean WoW, not War3 (which runs beautifuly btw) right ?

 

If so, then you may be 100% right, that TPM patch must be killing Rosetta since this is the only thing patched.

 

Nice find man :) Hopefuly Maxxuss will be out there, but i bet he is busy hacking 10.4.4 in the dark :)

 

So all those crashes we have with Rosetta lately, specifically in games is a TPM bug... We gotta inform everyone about that discovery!! :)

 

EDIT : After a while (only at the first run, else i have to delete that WTF dir), I can see the intro of WoW, and hear the main theme from the menu, but it crashes right after this (means when it actually display the 3D menu, it crashes right at this moment).

 

Really weird you can't even get there from what I understood though...

 

here is my crash log file for debuging if someone can understand a thing about this.

wowcrash.txt

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Hi,

 

Thanks cyclonefr :D

 

When you are speaking about Warcraft, you mean WoW, not War3 (which runs beautifuly btw) right ?

 

Ah, yes sorry, I meant World of Warcraft (WoW)

 

If so, then you may be 100% right, that TPM patch must be killing Rosetta since this is the only thing patched.

 

Nice find man :) Hopefuly Maxxuss will be out there, but i bet he is busy hacking 10.4.4 in the dark :D

 

haha :D lets hope so :)

 

So all those crashes we have with Rosetta lately, specifically in games is a TPM bug... We gotta inform everyone about that discovery!! :)

 

I agree, we have to keep it in mind and maybe if there is time, he will optimize it even more. But maxxuss

knows about these issues, and this is simply the price for skipping the tpm. There are uncounted apps out

there, and most are running fantastic, but we can't have them all atm. But I think it is also on Blizzard to

make an universal binary pretty fast. And a unibin would run without probs (I guess :D) games are always

the heaviest apps, because they need it all. Accelerated graphics, sound, display modes and all the other

coding stuff that I don't understand :D

 

Asha felah :D

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Means: it is not a kernel issue, it is the patched rosetta.

 

It didn't even occur to me that since the Rosetta files are patched that it could be the issue, but I'm willing to bet you're right. That's all that's left.

 

There must be some sort of additional TPM check in the Rosetta files that's causing Blizzard's stuff (and probably other apps, but nothing this high-profile) to crash.

 

The X600 didn't help, but that's OK...xtraa seems to have a very good point about the issue.

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It didn't even occur to me that since the Rosetta files are patched that it could be the issue, but I'm willing to bet you're right. That's all that's left.

 

There must be some sort of additional TPM check in the Rosetta files that's causing Blizzard's stuff (and probably other apps, but nothing this high-profile) to crash.

 

The X600 didn't help, but that's OK...xtraa seems to have a very good point about the issue.

 

We will definitly have more info sooner or later in a few days when 1.9.3 arrives (universal binary patch) since Rosetta won't be needed.

 

The thing is, I have the french version of WoW and i can't find a proper 1.0 to 1.9 french patch so i won't be able to patch it anyhow (since you are supposed to patch it in-game, trough Rosetta from what they said) :D

 

Or I could patch the game under Windows, then just ask to one of you (hint, hint) for the new mac univ bin executable.

 

In any case, prepare your game into 1.9 !

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  • 2 weeks later...

GOOD NEWS GUY!!

ive been honnored to test in beta test 1.9.2 Universal Binary version of WOW! and guess what even on SSE2 it works ! just fine a little bit slow : slower than pc but it's osx86 by maxxuss :angel:

 

GREAT WORK MAXXUSS IF U READ THIS!

which means technically we can run every UB apps

 

So this confirms what we thought : that Anti-TPM patch on Rosetta DOES affect Rosetta making it not working correctly (ie in WoW, Diablo 2 or even StarCraft, whille it works on Developpment kit machines).

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Well the real patch is out now, you just need to figure out how to get it installed and patched from within the game.

 

I intend to install it on my wife's eMac and start the patching process, then install it on my Dell (to get preference files created) and then copy the patched version across to my Dell.

 

And it may not even be that tough...from what I've seen, the app keeps the patch files in the application folder even after they're applied. I could probably just burn those to a CD and then patch my copy on my Dell. Better yet, once I get those patches downloaded, I could put them in a .dmg and then make a torrent. :)

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i did that trick to run the 1.92 file for MACINTEL : i took al the patch from my xp version and added the app file... :D

 

that would be awesome... the patching process is broken unless you do it on a ppc mac and then move the whole wow copy over to the intel mac, since intel macs can't even start the game without a universal binary.

 

Well, actually you can patch it as well from a REAL Intel Imac Dual Core since Rosetta works perfectly with WoW on this (it seems, i repeat it once again, I know, that Maxxuss corrupted some instructions into Rosetta while doing that ANTI-TPM patch, that's why WoW, nor Diablo II nor StarCraft won't work at all on 10.4.3 1111 or 1099 using Rosetta).

 

So we won't be able to play those oldies for now : as Blizzard stated already, they just don't see the point on making UB of Diablo 2 or Starcraft since they run full speed on Rosetta using "real" intel imacs.

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