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Appleinsider is reporting that Leopard has dropped support for 800MHz PPC systems, raising the requirement to an 867MHz G4, 512 MB RAM, a FireWire port, a DVD-drive, and 9GB of free hard drive space. It seems that what we thought would never could happen...happened. We thought that Apple would not raise it's system requirement so high, as Vista did. People are starting to suspect that Apple will drop support for PPC systems, which were last sold in August 2006, in Mac OS X 10.6. But seeing how long it took to release Leopard, who knows how long until 10.6. Maybe Apple will be releasing another cool item like the iPhone during it's Leopard development Process. Build 559 has only 2 known bugs.

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Big whoop. Personally I can't belive the nerve of those on 6 year old un-upgraded computers wanting to be able to run the cutting edge OS. They realistically should have cut out all sub 600mhz machines in 10.3.

 

However I do definetly sympathize with G5 powermac users who have been dumped by all the 3rd party softwear developers. I'm just happy my G4 will be able to run OSX 10.5, in the two years time I'm pretty sure even the most maxed out G4s and G5s will be near retirement(as in well past the point of needing the newest software).

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Tiger is a fine OS and will be for some time. It's not like PPC machines are going to be left with a buggy/crappy system.

 

Well, there goes my hopes of having my 700Mhz G4 running Leopard. Oh well. It still runs quite well with Tiger.

Just use the modified OSInstall.mpkg, works fine.

 

(Although 559 is better, Leopard GUIs is still slower than Tiger on my old G4.)

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Big whoop. Personally I can't belive the nerve of those on 6 year old un-upgraded computers wanting to be able to run the cutting edge OS. They realistically should have cut out all sub 600mhz machines in 10.3.

 

However I do definetly sympathize with G5 powermac users who have been dumped by all the 3rd party softwear developers. I'm just happy my G4 will be able to run OSX 10.5, in the two years time I'm pretty sure even the most maxed out G4s and G5s will be near retirement(as in well past the point of needing the newest software).

psh, i want to be able to use my computer for as long as i can

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~pcwiz
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Apple eventually has to drop support for PPC systems. My 500Mhz (don't laugh) iMac G3 (now dead) was compatible with everything all the way up to Tiger (crazy, eh?) They eventually have to stop support for PPC systems. And besides, people with PPC systems won't be able to use most of the apps that are coming out these days unless the programs are Universal Binary.

 

So my opinion: They have to drop PPC sometime. I think its best if they do it now.

 

EDIT: Extremely sorry if I offended any "Proud PPC Users" on the forum :(

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I can understand dropping support for certain architectures such as the G3 and G4. By 2009 or 2010, those architectures will be about 7 to 10 years old. But looking at it from the perspective of someone with a G5 dual core 2.5 GHz or a 2.7 GHz, there is still a lot of life left in those machines. Those machines also support up to 8 GBs of RAM, so there is still a lot of life left in them to go on for another 5 to 10 years. Also, they are very upgradeable.

 

The fact that Apple was selling PowerMac G5s up to August 2006 just before the MacPro was introduced means that Apple should give those users good 4 to 5 year run out of those systems. So, I believe Apple should support the G5 under 10.6. I don't believe a Mac Mini with an Intel Core Solo is faster than a dual 2.5 G5 with 8 GBs of RAM and a PCI-X video card.

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psh, i want to be able to use my computer for as long as i can

Your computer won't stop working on the release date of a new OS, nor will the Old Mac Police bust down your door forcing you to upgrade.

 

And Apple hasn't even said anything about 10.6 yet. This is pure speculation on the part of rumor sites. This article was pageview bait at AppleInsider, it was pageview bait at MacRumors, and it's pageview bait here.

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to double post:

 

I don't see Apple dropping PPC support in 10.6. Maybe they'll raise the minimum requirements to something like a 1.5Ghz G4 or a G5, but I don't see support being phased out completely.

 

What I could easily see though, is 10.7 dropping 32-bit support. This would keep those old-timer G5 owners happy, but it would screw the Core Solo/Core Duo buyers. But that would be around 2011/2012 anyway, and if my Core Duo macbook has lasted 5 or 6 years with full updates that's a pretty good run.

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cant see Apple dropping their 'cater for 75% of machines' rule any time soon....

 

....however annoyed I am that my PowerMac G3 wont run Leopard Server in some itteration. Rant: Its a Server for gods sake, without a monitor! So it doesnt need QE/CI or any of that, I just want to be running the current OS for security...... morons.....

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Dainas
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I do have one concern about this; will the OS rule if it can installed by reading the MHZ, or the logicboard model number and remembering the fastest processor for that machine? .....If the latter I might be tanked out of Leopard on this powermac myself.

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What I could easily see though, is 10.7 dropping 32-bit support.

even in a few years, 32-bit will be perfectly fine for the email checker and safari-user. So I don't think this will come true.

However, when H.264 in its later revisions are a defacto-standard, you better believe it will be a requirement for iMovie! Just not for the whole system... not when Apple's created this perfect seamlessness between the two. It's just like universal binaries: they're not going away anytime soon, simply because there's no reason to drop support for PPC when it costs devs (and Apple in the software divisions) next to nothing to spit them out.

 

My 2 cents!

 

-Urby

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@Urbz Of course they will drop support for PPC-s as soon as possible. Apple is nothing but stock company and first and only reason for existence is to make profit for shareholders. As the majority of profit in Apple is made by selling of hardware, they have no intention to support running new system on old hardware. They must push those loyal users to invest in new hardware. Believe me, my first Mac was IIfx and I went through 68k -> PPC transition. My then very good equipped Quadra 950 was obsolete in short time. Then so praised fat binary (an equivalent to UB-s) programs rapidly vanished. As PPC started on System 7.X, support for 68K ended with 8.1. So as the official support for Intel is something like 1 and a half year, it is expected to drop PPC-s in about a year or so. Even today you can find programs for Intel only (look at Adobe!).

But no problem, crazy faithful users are always funding Apple OS and hardware transitions and make their shareholders happy people.

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imho.. there's no need to support ppc on future versions

apple is selling ppcs no more, so, there will be no more powefull specs to support newer features

 

and... i doubt 1.6 will be released soon, leo will live long as tiger did, current ppc lineup will be old at that time

 

as for higher requirements for leo there's an easy fix, just delete a file inside a packahe(don't remenber the name)

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http://www.theinquirer.net/gb/inquirer/new...elderly-leopard

 

 

Ok, not someone who puts much stock into the Inq, but somehow this sounds like my fears are coming to fruition ; "What the OS X installer does isn't check how fast your processor is running; it looks at the model number of your Mac and compares it to a list of "bad" machines that are officially rated as too slow. So if you've got an upgraded CPU and your box is actually fast enough, well, it won't work."

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@Urbz Of course they will drop support for PPC-s as soon as possible. Apple is nothing but stock company and first and only reason for existence is to make profit for shareholders. As the majority of profit in Apple is made by selling of hardware, they have no intention to support running new system on old hardware. They must push those loyal users to invest in new hardware. Believe me, my first Mac was IIfx and I went through 68k -> PPC transition. My then very good equipped Quadra 950 was obsolete in short time. Then so praised fat binary (an equivalent to UB-s) programs rapidly vanished. As PPC started on System 7.X, support for 68K ended with 8.1. So as the official support for Intel is something like 1 and a half year, it is expected to drop PPC-s in about a year or so. Even today you can find programs for Intel only (look at Adobe!).

But no problem, crazy faithful users are always funding Apple OS and hardware transitions and make their shareholders happy people.

 

Adobe Creative Suite 3 runs on Power PC Macs, minimum requirements, Tiger. Only SoundBooth and Premier CS3 do not support PowerPC systems.

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PPC needs to go out the window. They should start focusing development on the new architecture they are supporting and not let coding around PPC hold them back. PPC users can either get a new system or keep using Tiger, much like a PC user is limited by their decisions based on the hardware they own.

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