borisbadenov Posted September 4, 2007 Share Posted September 4, 2007 Am I the only one out here that thinks that Apple, well known for style, design, great looks, etc, has taken a back seat with their new folders? To me, it looks like they raided the abandoned files from KDE 2 and recycled them. They are ugly, flat, monocolour. They look like {censored}. How did they ever make it to a beta build? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HackerName Posted September 5, 2007 Share Posted September 5, 2007 Yes. You are the only one. The new folder icons are sexy and professional all at once. They do not get in the way and are hallmarks of good UI design.And I couldn't find anything remotely like those folders from any of the KDE 2 screenshots I found. It seems however that they did a little ripping off themselves - from OS 8: In fact KDE 2 looks like a hodgepodge of OS 8, BeOs and Windows 95, a fact they readily admit: Some people say KDE is too much of a Windows clone. This is not particularly true, as other screenshots have shown: KDE attempts to take the best parts of various existing desktops such as MacOS, CDE, BeOS, NeXt and indeed, also Windows. Not really a good example at all. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Headrush69 Posted September 5, 2007 Share Posted September 5, 2007 Not sure I would say they are copied from KDE 2.0 but I sure don't like them. Had no issues with the Tiger colored ones. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
borisbadenov Posted September 5, 2007 Author Share Posted September 5, 2007 I only picked KDE 2 because I wanted something "old fashioned" Honestly, I cannot remember how those folders looked but they have to look better than Leopard. Leopard folder icon just look flat, monotone, dull, boring, insipid, no deatil and whereas just about evrerything else in Leopard, drom the new Aero....oops, Aqua look with new drop shadows, semi-transparent menu bars (wait, are we talking about Vista??) ooops. the dock, the trash can, etc, so much of Leopards GUI gives the 3D illusion but for these damn fugly folder icons Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HackerName Posted September 5, 2007 Share Posted September 5, 2007 I'm not sure why you don't like them. I have always replaced my folder icons with something more functional, but these one's I'll keep. Please do give an example on folder icons you DO like though. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
borisbadenov Posted September 5, 2007 Author Share Posted September 5, 2007 I like the current ones. At least with Tiger foilder icons, they have depth, an illusion of depth, 3D, sublte colour gradations. It looks like someone took time, skill and devotion to make these icons. With Leo, just looked like thewy were slapped about in a few minutes flat and with all the care and attention three minutes can give. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Numberzz Posted September 5, 2007 Share Posted September 5, 2007 i LOVE the icons for the folders that are "special"(desktop, pictures, movies etc...) im not a fan of the plain ones but hey, there are only so many ways to display a blank folder. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Taylor_C Posted September 5, 2007 Share Posted September 5, 2007 I actually really like the new Leopard folder icons. They took awhile to grow on me though. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MrDee Posted September 5, 2007 Share Posted September 5, 2007 Am I the only one out here that thinks that Apple, well known for style, design, great looks, etc, has taken a back seat with their new folders? To me, it looks like they raided the abandoned files from KDE 2 and recycled them. They are ugly, flat, monocolour. They look like {censored}. How did they ever make it to a beta build? Actually, I think I know what you are referring to, its KDE 4 Dolphin File Manager not version 2. KDE presented the new icon set for version 4 around May 2007, so you will see some resemblances there. But I think its only coincidental or someone probably on the KDE team is a private Leopard beta tester since they are actually porting KDE to multiple platforms such as OS X and Windows. In such a case, they probably got a glimpse of the new folder icon set and decided to adapt it to provide consistency and ease of use for users transitioning from multiple platforms. As for rip off as someone noted, looks like KDE folks have been doing that a lot. The Trash can is a clear copy from the Classic Mac OS. As for the new folders, take a look at the attached screenshot and look at the blue Home folder under Places in addition to the hierarchical tree. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Prawker Posted September 5, 2007 Share Posted September 5, 2007 I love the new folders in leopard. The tiger ones were Okay, but they were too loud and I'm not a fan of the pinstripes design. The leopard folders are quiet and they blend in with the rest of the UI better, they just don't stand out as much as the tiger icons did, and thats a +1 in my book. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HackerName Posted September 5, 2007 Share Posted September 5, 2007 Actually, I think I know what you are referring to, its KDE 4 Dolphin File Manager not version 2. KDE presented the new icon set for version 4 around May 2007, so you will see some resemblances there. But I think its only coincidental or someone probably on the KDE team is a private Leopard beta tester since they are actually porting KDE to multiple platforms such as OS X and Windows. In such a case, they probably got a glimpse of the new folder icon set and decided to adapt it to provide consistency and ease of use for users transitioning from multiple platforms. As for rip off as someone noted, looks like KDE folks have been doing that a lot. The Trash can is a clear copy from the Classic Mac OS. As for the new folders, take a look at the attached screenshot and look at the blue Home folder under Places in addition to the hierarchical tree. Those are clearly not even remotely alike. Besides, there's plenty of similar folders around - both to the KDE ones and the Leopard ones. In Leopard, the folders are a derivation of the Pro Apps folders (as seen in the Pro Apps file browsers), which is again a throwback to System 7 folders and so on back to the original Mac folders from 1984. There is someone ripping people off here, it's just not Apple Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Baron Posted September 5, 2007 Share Posted September 5, 2007 I'm also a fan of the Leo folders, if you view them large in Finder you can even see specks of paper etc like a real folder. The Tiger folders are looking way too tired now, they're the one icon I don't like. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NeXTstop Posted September 5, 2007 Share Posted September 5, 2007 I'm also a fan of the Leo folders, if you view them large in Finder you can even see specks of paper etc like a real folder. The Tiger folders are looking way too tired now, they're the one icon I don't like. Waht do you mean with "you can even see specks of paper etc like a real folder"? Is this a feature of last Leopard build only? Have you a screenshot? Thanks. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MrDee Posted September 5, 2007 Share Posted September 5, 2007 Those are clearly not even remotely alike. Besides, there's plenty of similar folders around - both to the KDE ones and the Leopard ones. In Leopard, the folders are a derivation of the Pro Apps folders (as seen in the Pro Apps file browsers), which is again a throwback to System 7 folders and so on back to the original Mac folders from 1984. There is someone ripping people off here, it's just not Apple There are similarities, I am sorry you are too blind to see that. The ones in the Explorer shell do not of course look like Leopards folders. But the folders in addition to that red one under Places do. The difference with Leopard is, they are more photo realistic and the water marks on common location folders such as Applications, Pictures and Documents are less pronounced. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mnit Posted September 5, 2007 Share Posted September 5, 2007 Think how ridiculous the tiger three-quarter-view folders would look in coverflow. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cargoplex Posted September 6, 2007 Share Posted September 6, 2007 Behold the Leopard folder icon in all its speckled glory!!! More of Leopard's deliciously detailed icons here. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ToA Posted September 10, 2007 Share Posted September 10, 2007 I LOVE that folder haha. it's better than tigers. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HackerName Posted September 10, 2007 Share Posted September 10, 2007 There are similarities, I am sorry you are too blind to see that. The ones in the Explorer shell do not of course look like Leopards folders. But the folders in addition to that red one under Places do. The difference with Leopard is, they are more photo realistic and the water marks on common location folders such as Applications, Pictures and Documents are less pronounced.Have you ever seen a System 7 or earlier folder? Any folder icon looking like that is a rip off of Apple's original folder icon. So the similarities aren't because Apple got "inspired" by anyone but themselves. In fact the folder icon originated on the Lisa: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MrDee Posted September 11, 2007 Share Posted September 11, 2007 Have you ever seen a System 7 or earlier folder? Any folder icon looking like that is a rip off of Apple's original folder icon. So the similarities aren't because Apple got "inspired" by anyone but themselves. In fact the folder icon originated on the Lisa: Your knowledge of operating systems and their history is sorely lacking. The folder concept, GUI, point and click and many other concepts you see in the Mac OS, Windows, UNIX, Linux and many generations of operating systems were "inspired" by what folks like Steve Jobs and Bill Gates saw in early prototypes at the XEROX Parc Palo Alto Research and Development Center. So your idea that Apple inspired themselves shows your lack of maturity when it comes to doing the research to make an educated comment. Again, KDE 4 share some similarities that are based on those in the Macintosh which Apple has improved over the years and I will leave it at that. Not because they popularized the GUI mean they invented it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mr.manatane Posted September 11, 2007 Share Posted September 11, 2007 It seems that you are not the only one to think that the new icons suck. http://www.indiehig.com/blog/2007/09/09/fi...eopard-folders/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cargoplex Posted September 17, 2007 Share Posted September 17, 2007 Whether you like them or not, here's proof that the new 'speckled folders' are here to stay... It's an image from this page on Apple's site discussing the mobility features in their new Logic Studio suite. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Numberzz Posted September 17, 2007 Share Posted September 17, 2007 nice find! Oh and the old ones look horrible in cover flow they needed flatter icons to make it look better lmao Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zeblade Posted September 17, 2007 Share Posted September 17, 2007 Yes there a nice change from the Tigers but sexy their not. If you have ever made icons these in leopard are nice and simple "folders". Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bluedragon1971 Posted September 20, 2007 Share Posted September 20, 2007 Your knowledge of operating systems and their history is sorely lacking. The folder concept, GUI, point and click and many other concepts you see in the Mac OS, Windows, UNIX, Linux and many generations of operating systems were "inspired" by what folks like Steve Jobs and Bill Gates saw in early prototypes at the XEROX Parc Palo Alto Research and Development Center. So your idea that Apple inspired themselves shows your lack of maturity when it comes to doing the research to make an educated comment. Yep, the general GUI layout (including folders) goes back to the XEROX Star (from all of the screenshots I can find of early GUIs, this was the first one with folders, all earlier ones simply had text based file managers). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HackerName Posted September 21, 2007 Share Posted September 21, 2007 Your knowledge of operating systems and their history is sorely lacking. The folder concept, GUI, point and click and many other concepts you see in the Mac OS, Windows, UNIX, Linux and many generations of operating systems were "inspired" by what folks like Steve Jobs and Bill Gates saw in early prototypes at the XEROX Parc Palo Alto Research and Development Center. So your idea that Apple inspired themselves shows your lack of maturity when it comes to doing the research to make an educated comment.No one is denying that Apple where inspired by their brief trip to the XEROX, (as well as help from some of the engineers that jumped ship because the XEROX Alto project went nowhere). What few neglect to mention though, is that the work at Palo Alto was based on research by Jef Raskin from 1967, the father of the GUI and Apple Employee #31. In fact, the trip to Palo Alto was on the insistence of him with the intention of bringing his own concept into further development by Apple. So yes, a lot of the concepts we use today were present in the early Alto, but lots of them weren't (overlapping windows was deemed "confusing" for end users by XEROX, opting for a tiled approach instead, no pull-down menus which were developed for the LISA etc.). So while XEROX certainly deserve some credit for developing some of the initial concepts, without Jef Raskin, Bill Atkinson and Apple it is very likely that the GUI would never had won out as the primary interface for interacting with computers. The constant parroting of "Apple stole from XEROX" is ignoring so many factors of user interface evolution and the fact that Apple did indeed ignite the modern computing revolution. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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