"Fry" Electronics, California "People returning new PC's w/Vista

[track09]

Your not a web developer are you?, IE is the crappiest browser to ever grace the internet, standards compliance is not what it understands.

 

 

There are other browsers besides {censored} 1 and {censored} 2. Hello to the world of cross platform Firefox and Opera. Even the WebKit in KDE's konqueror is a far better implementation than in Safari.

 

"I do not like what i have seen of vista thus far though I havent had more then 5 hours of time to play with a vista machine"

 

My point exactly, don't judge anything until you used it for yourself.

 

"If only I could get Parallels to boot my Vista partition... I would be in heaven."

 

Not only will you have activation issues because of the "Virtualized" hardware being different, but Aero will disappear along with 3d acceleration, Vista will get a slightly lower amount of allocated RAM as well.

[cringemaster]

This has got to be one of the gayest flame/nerdwars i've ever seen, sheesh.

 

 

The subject strayed so far from Frys Electronics and their Vista problem to how vista and windows never BSOD and how macs are amazing. get a life. Its all about personal preference. *done ranting*

[bwhsh8r]

I, ghasp.... like vista it was a shock to me too, but it runs as fast as xp (which is pritty fast) on my system, and i like being able to run in a limited account yet be able to install things with just one prompt (very unix-y/linux-y if you ask me )

 

I also like my hacked bios (yes i hacked the actual bios, no emulator for me, hello ultimate )

 

and ResX, rofl, yeppers

[glassJAw]

I was dissappointed in Vista, I'll give it a try again when the new service pack comes out.

[Alessandro17]

Well, I don't buy computers, I build them, so it couldn't happen to me.

However if I wanted a laptop I'd have to buy it.

It is extremely difficult (still) to buy a laptop without Windows preinstalled, unless you buy a Mac.

However: it is very easy and common to find bargain PC laptops. The savings can offset the "Windows tax" many times over.

Thus: who cares if Vista is rubbish? I'll replace it with OS X (if compatible), Linux or Windows XP 64, which in my not so humble opinion is the best Windows OS ever.

[Paranoid Marvin]

From what I understand, all Macs are set to explode on the 27/4/08, destroying your mother's basement and Steve Jobs shrine.

 

I just thought you should know.

 

Hard to say though, just a rumour.

 

/rolls eyes

 

Great, I am busy that day - how am I meant to go buy a new Mac now??

[Vertigo50]

LMAO. NO it did not stop with 98....

 

I am a MCSA and run a 500+ computer network of windows machines. BSOD's happen all the time whether they are Microsoft's fault or a third parties fault. You don't even know what kind of headache IE7 caused with all the third party active-x automotive software we use.

 

No OS is perfect but vista is {censored} atm. Microsoft failed to do as they promised and rebuild windows from the ground up. Now they have this huge resource hog that is going to haunt them much like ME.

 

I'm sorry, I should have qualified. The BSOD's stopped in 98 for people who know how to operate a computer. In a work environment, where most people only know how to start Microsoft Word and surf porn sites,then yeah, you probably get lock ups.

 

But that's the problem, people, not software, not hardware, but people. I have a friend who complains constantly about how unstable Windows is, and how it gets viruses every day, but he visits practically every porn site on the web daily, and downloads endless trash on Limewire. So you're telling me it's Microsoft's fault his machine crashes all the time? I think not.

[RedSox]

From what I understand, they are returning PC's in DROVES.....

 

Just thought you should know....

Also read a rumor that the new logic might have a touch screeen mixer, similar to iPHONE where mixing is done on the screen...would be plausible on say a iMAC, similar....

 

hard to say, just a rumor.

 

Umm, no,no rumor.

 

This was posted today. DELL bringing back XP!

 

http://www.theinquirer.net/default.aspx?article=39051

 

Vista is horrible and all about Microsoft, not the end user and DRM? $crew them and their BLOAT ware. Almost all the good programs are now coming for OSX. All apple really needs to do is find some middle ground, cheaper PC's, better GPU's, being able to use the GPU of your choice and they would see a big jump in sales.

[robotskip]

XP was never gone, the people who said XP was completely gone are just illiterat whores looking for some quick bandwidth without bothering to do some fact-checking.

 

- How is Vista horrible ?

- Apple has DRM too, so do others.

- Just what 'almost all good programs' are going to OSX ?

 

'$crew' - Wow, did you think of that yourself or was it a group effort ? Your post is amazing and original, really.

[EFI]

Yep, standard mac zealot proceedure.

 

1. Look up fancy PC job title.

2. Claim you are one

3. Say how you recently switched

4. Claim macs get you laid 100% more, (which is 0 to 1)

5. Claim you hate PCs now, and that macs are 10000000000000x better and you shoulda switched forever ago.

6. Say how macs are better and you're gonna switch the whole office, because you impressed your boss with your MacB00K.

7. Go on about elegance and {censored}, and say how much less maitenence.

 

Standard Windows zealot procedure

 

1. Look up the prices of Macs (doesnt apply to EU customers)

2. Claim that they are too expensive without configuring a similar PC from Dell, HP, etc. (doesnt apply to EU customers)

3. Say how Macs are rediculously overpriced just because YOU still have a job at Wal-mart.

4. Bring in the super retarted market share statement that conributes to windows being better

5. Claim how you hate Macs now, and Windows Vista is just as good as OS X and have 1000000000000000X more software, and how the business world will never use OS X; without realizing how much of the business world is rejecting Vista

6. Say how Windows Vista is so much better, and how now you can watch your porno movies better than ever in Windows Media Center with the big screen TV in your basement (or living room) hooked up to your PC becuase your a windows tech geek, and couldnt find a real girl/or guy.

7. Go on about how OS X is just as unstable as Vista, and XP are....and how their realiability is just as equal as a Windows PC

8. Go on about how OS X is just as maintenance intensive as Windows is...without realizing that there is no such thing as Viruses on OS X...and no such thing as the "registry"....and that almost all applications come in a single package...not 100 files which then split up into 500 files which are ramdomly spread throughout the hard-drive...again, thanks to the registry.

9. claim how Macs do not look beautiful, as if those grey windows boxes known as PC's are designed by Enzo Ferrari himself (this only applies to the most sincere windows zealots out there)

10. Go on about how good the "connected experience" is between 2 failed and 1 sucessful product....Vista, Zune, and Xbox 360, and how OS X does not offer this same kind of connected experience when infact they do with iLife, the iPods/iTunes, AppleTV, and in 2 months the iPhone.

11. You have a model replica of Ballmer's shiny head and worship it hoping to god that one day Apple will licence OS X legally to run on PC's.....which will never happen...and Ballmer's head will only get even more shinier.

12. Claim and lie how you still use OS X (what ever version) along side another computer with Windows Vista or XP and so say that your arguments are not biased, when infact you've probably only played with a Mac at an apple store, and dont actually own a Mac at home

13. You go on and on and on bashing OS X just for the sole reason that you blew and wasted $400 on an operaing system known as Windows Vista....and reaslized that the operating sytem is {censored} compared to OS X...but dont want to admit the money that you thought you invested well...but turned out you didnt

 

 

 

- How is Vista horrible ?

 

Please, the reason has already been stated in some 30 threads in 10 differnet ways....the search feature in the forum is there for a reason....use it before pronouncing yourself ignorant.

 

- Just what 'almost all good programs' are going to OSX ?

 

Adobe's Creative Suite CS3 and Microsoft Office 2008 alone are enough to answer your question.

[track09]

Why is it that Mac users get so heated and post {censored} and personal attacks?

"1. Look up the prices of Macs (doesnt apply to EU customers)"

"2.  Claim that they are too expensive without configuring a similar PC from Dell, HP, etc. (doesnt apply to EU customers)"

Yep, and I can get a dell the equivalent of a Mac Mini for $299, and the Dell includes the keyboard.

iMac, I can still get cheaper.  Remember, I don't want/need a lot of the bluetooth type {censored} included, so all it does is waste my money.

 

"3. Say how Macs are rediculously overpriced just because YOU still have a job at Wal-mart."

Nope, wrong.  They're overpriced.  The average Joe has $600 a month disposable income.  $1200 is far too much for email and web browsing, and the Mac Mini certainly is not giving anyone a "good bang for their buck".  I got my Gateway for $530 total, and it's far superior to a Mac Mini hardware wise, and I even got a 19" Proview Widescreen monitor.  

 

The personal attack at the end is a typical mac user's response.  It's not that it's overpriced, it's that I'm not going to spend all that money on a luxury computer for myself.  Many people have mortgages, children, and other more important things in life to spend even the $100,000 they make.  

 

"4. Bring in the super retarted market share statement that conributes to windows being better"

Yep, I agree, I hate that arguement, it's retarded now.  In the beginning, it was true, because Microsoft targeted homes more than the original macs did.  Things have changed, and that arguement is pointless.

 

"5. Claim how you hate Macs now, and Windows Vista is just as good as OS X and have 1000000000000000X more software, and how the business world will never use OS X; without realizing how much of the business world is rejecting Vista"

I don't hate macs, if I did, I wouldn't own 3 of them.  Windows Vista is just as good as OS X, in my opinion.  Each OS does outperform the other in certain areas, and Windows DOES have much more software (not always better quality, though).  Only a handful of places (what 30), have rejected Vista, but more said they'll HOLD OUT for a while.  The mac fanboys take these few exceptions, and call it a MAJOR VICTORY, and the world is now against Vista.

 

"6. Say how Windows Vista is so much better, and how now you can watch your porno movies better than ever in Windows Media Center with the big screen TV in your basement (or living room) hooked up to your PC becuase your a windows tech geek, and couldnt find a real girl/or guy."

Personal attack, rather than technical.  But the fact remains, unless 90% of the world never gets laid, then it's a lie.  I'm not the one making a blog in my iWeb and a movie in iMovie, to post online, for no one to view.  Mac users get laid no more than PC users.  As a matter of fact, the majority of "cool" people that don't care about computers more use Windows, and they gaid laid far more.  Anyway, it's still a fact that PCs have superior connectability with many devices.  They're not all locked down to Apple's latest iDevice, and work with many other manufacturers

 

"7. Go on about how OS X is just as unstable as Vista, and XP are....and how their realiability is just as equal as a Windows PC"

Yes, and as long as I use the software I'm using now it's true.  Give me numbers and data not from Apple, then I might listen to you.  I see no more stability problems related to first party in Windows than OS X.  Most stability problems are third party, I eliminate them, and I am fine.  Apparently Server 2003 is reliable, that's why its far more used than OS X Server.

 

"8. Go on about how OS X is just as maintenance intensive as Windows is...without realizing that there is no such thing as Viruses on OS X...and no such thing as the "registry"....and that almost all applications come in a single package...not 100 files which then split up into 500 files which are ramdomly spread throughout the hard-drive...again, thanks to the registry."

 

Viruses, not yet, but surely possible.  OS X has beautiful package management, and the registry is a dump, along with how some things are installed with many .dlls.  Still, the registry is a good idea, it just needs a revamped implementation.

 

"9. claim how Macs do not look beautiful, as if those grey windows boxes known as PC's are designed by Enzo Ferrari himself (this only applies to the most sincere windows zealots out there)"

 

Macs are beautiful, far more than PCs.  It's just unneccisary, and not something to justify the cost, or purchase of one for that reason alone.

 

"10. Go on about how good the "connected experience" is between 2 failed and 1 sucessful product....Vista, Zune, and Xbox 360, and how OS X does not offer this same kind of connected experience when infact they do with iLife, the iPods/iTunes, AppleTV, and in 2 months the iPhone."

Vista is far from failed.  To call it that, is idiotic.  Zune maybe, Xbox 360 not.  Vista will get quite a bit of market share, more than OS X and you know it.  So to say that Vista is a failure, then OS X must also be.  Apple offers a connected experience, but much less so than Microsoft (Apple looses gaming), plus look at all the Windows smartphone/PDA style devices, that do better than the Newton did, and will likely have more market share than the iPhone.  Apple offers it, with their devices, and so does Microsoft with it's 2 successful products, and 1 half well product.

 

"11. You have a model replica of Ballmer's shiny head and worship it hoping to god that one day Apple will licence OS X legally to run on PC's.....which will never happen...and Ballmer's head will only get even more shinier."

 

I'd like Apple to do that, so I wont be locked to their hardware, and ultimately, repair costs.  (Cant fix proprietary mainboards on Apples).  It won't and I certianly don't care that much about it.

 

"12. Claim and lie how you still use OS X (what ever version) along side another computer with Windows Vista or XP and so say that your arguments are not biased, when infact you've probably only played with a Mac at an apple store, and dont actually own a Mac at home"

I own three macs, and use them often.  (PowerMac G4, iMac G3, Powerbook G3 "Pismo")  I don't plan on buying a new mac, not at the cost per what you get.  I've used the new ones, and don't think they're all that.

 

"13. You go on and on and on bashing OS X just for the sole reason that you blew and wasted $400 on an operaing system known as Windows Vista....and reaslized that the operating sytem is {censored} compared to OS X...but dont want to admit the money that you thought you invested well...but turned out you didnt"

I paid a little more than $400 for a whole system to run Vista.  Everything I need runs fast and well on Vista, and I have no regret, and prefer it to OS X.  OS X simply doesn't compel me enough to want to swtich, worth the cost.  My money was invested well in Vista, and I enjoy it, so don't call me something I'm not.

 

Add to all that.  What happens if you plug in a PhysX card into a mac?  I know it has PC support, does it support a mac?

[Azurael]

These threads are all so pointless! Haven't you got better things to do than argue over which OS is best? Just use the one you prefer and shuddup!

[robotskip]

> Please, the reason has already been stated in some 30 threads in 10 differnet ways....the search feature in the forum is there for a reason....use it before pronouncing yourself ignorant.

 

No, the only reasons on here is stupid rubbish like "LOLOL DRM AND LOLASK# THEY COP1ED DASHBORD ROFLZ."

 

> Adobe's Creative Suite CS3 and Microsoft Office 2008 alone are enough to answer your question.

 

Those 2 apps have always been available on Mac (As in, previous versions) and is nothing new. Next ?

 

----

 

Exactly Azurael, they should leave Windows and it's users alone, sure, you can 'advertise' to your friends/whomever but not the FUD and lies (Where I've caught them out soo many times, it's ridiculous) these guys spread.

[TvvqKMZ72bsklauw5]

No, you're not a n MCSA, you're a lying fanboy who never touched Vista, and is playing with his iApps and bashing people on one of the few sites Safari renders properly.

Wow, somebody better get out the sun screen, cause CiDhed just got BURNED.

 

But seriously, as for my opinion on Windows Vista, I have to say that it is an awesome operating system. I was skeptical of buying a laptop with Vista on it because of integrated graphics in most laptops and that Vista runs heavily on graphics. I recently purchased a Vista Laptop (Acer Aspire 5100-3357) and I must say that I'm impressed. Vista is awesome and still yet to actually see a crash or BSD, not saying that I expect it or anything.

[EFI]

Those 2 apps have always been available on Mac (As in, previous versions) and is nothing new. Next ?

 

yes, those two apps have always been for Mac...but not for the new Intel Macs...so their speed was not as fast as the PPC ones. It makes all the difference in speed, especially in softwares like Photoshop CS3 and Illustrator CS3.

 

I don't want/need a lot of the bluetooth type {censored} included

 

Umm..welcome to the 21st century. Do you even know what bluetooth is...and what it can do?

 

Windows Vista is just as good as OS X, in my opinion

 

The key word there is your opinion...next time before you post anything...make sure you say "in my opinion"...becuase all you do is just go straight to how Vista is better like its a fact thats written in stone, and everyone knows and abides by it.

 

Anyway, it's still a fact that PCs have superior connectability with many devices

 

More connectivity options, yes....superior connectivity...hell no.

 

Give me numbers and data not from Apple, then I might listen to you. I see no more stability problems related to first party in Windows than OS X.

 

You want proof other than Apple? Sure, no probs: http://www.xvsxp.com/

 

the registry is a good idea, it just needs a revamped implementation.

 

The resigtry is a good idea? are you kidding me? And this revamped implementation was suppose to happen in Windows Vista...with WinFS, but that never happend....care to enlighten me with your justification of why this is good?

 

Vista will get quite a bit of market share, more than OS X and you know it.

 

Thanks for letting me know that, Captain obvious . With 90% market share...what did you think, that OS X was going to get some kind of magical overnight market domination? The fact remains that Visa will always have more market share than OS X, no matter what...but that doesnt necessarily convert to it being better.

 

plus look at all the Windows smartphone/PDA style devices, that do better than the Newton did, and will likely have more market share than the iPhone

 

Lol, the same thing was said about the Ipod too with Sony's walkman, and creative's players both of which had the majority of the market share...and look at the market share now...the ipod crushed every single competition and totally dominates the music player market. I think the quote "you mess with the best, and you die like the rest" goes perfectly here. We'll see how it turns out...but if the iPhone does the same thing as the iPod did....Microsoft is in a lot, like really in deep trouble....and I hope you atleast realize that part. Plus why the heck are you comparing the Windows smartphone with the Newton...which was from a completely different generation. The newton has long since been discontinued...so why mention that now? Thats like saying hey..look here, my new 2007 Honda Civic is better than your old 1996 Ford Tempo which was recalled several times. Duh. I dare you to make the same comparison once the iPhone comes out...and then compare that to the windows smartphones.

 

There is one thing that consumers like....and thats ease of use, and simplicity, which is not in any of the smartphones thus far....so again like I said, only time will tell....but if the iPhone repeats the iPod history...97% of the cell phone market is in trouble.

 

I'd like Apple to do that, so I wont be locked to their hardware, and ultimately, repair costs

 

Your honestly talking as if owning a PC is financially free. Please come back to reality before you say things like that. Owning a PC is much more expensive than owning a Mac, this is because of the locked hardware that Apple continues on. And besdies....its not like the Apple hardware nowadays is below par or anything...you can get fast configs and modern setups from Macs as well...so this point makes no sense. If Apple offered crappy configs that were behind the rest of the industry...then your point would make sense, and you would need the open config idealogy. When they already give you top of the line processor, memory, HD, and a pretty good video card...why complain?

 

I paid a little more than $400 for a whole system to run Vista.

 

While thats proably true...there is no way in hell you have Windows Vista Premium or Ultimate as your installed OS legally in a $400 system. Premium or Ultimate themselves are $200+, so I dont see how thats possible. I'm assuming you have basic installed, in which case it beats the whole purpose of owning Vista.

 

 

Add to all that. What happens if you plug in a PhysX card into a mac? I know it has PC support, does it support a mac?

 

Where do you pull these random comments out of? First of all. PhysX is going no where...it was just an idea intriduced that saw the light with a few games. It sounded good in what it can do...but for a card that costs $200 but does nothing more than handle physics in the game...its not worth it. Add to that the newer DX10 cards have something called a geometry shader...which was pretty much designed to boost physics performance in games....so even more reason why the Ageia PhysX card is useless. Pretty much 95% of the games dont even take advantage of the card, so whats even the point of having one...even on a PC, let alone a Mac?

[RedSox]

Hmm,

 

All Fortune 500 companies passing on Vista right now.

 

Also many articles says it takes forever to boot and install.

 

Micro$oft is more FOR and ABOUT M$FT than it is the end user. And M$FT is what those who follow stocks call the bloat ware company!

[Darwin x86]

GUYS GUYS GUYS

 

Apple spends the last 5 years building bridges between all major operating systems, and instead of Unity, we still have strife and civil unrest.

 

It doesn't matter what you think anymore.

 

If you like windows, run it. If you like OS X, use it. If you like Kubuntu or OpenSuSE, then by all means, have at it. FreeBSD, Unix, Solaris... go for it.

 

The Macintosh is now all things for all people.

 

Is a Generic PC running OSX better than a Macintosh running Vista? Is a cluster of Playstation 3's running Yellow Dog Linux better than a Gateway running OSX and Windows at the same time?

 

Who gives a {censored}? It's all a matter of preference. Do whatever you want.

 

I like OS 9.2.2. I like it. So what? Doesn't mean {censored} to anyone but me. I have my reasons that I am sure do not apply to %99.9999999999 of the people reading this pointless dribble.

[MadDoggyca]

see a MBP princed at aorund 2500$ after configuring.

 

My Desktop...

 

Based Price before upgradgin 1000$

 

upgraded

 

cpu=200

Videio cards dual sli 499

audgiy 4 100

new Mainboard 200

 

otehr minorupgrades 100$

 

in end payed aroudn 2300$ for my pc... and still didn't hit the power of a MBP...... I waz better of jsut buying a MBP in the end.

 

In the end Macs are as exspince as normal PC.... to turly hit comapire Macs to pc u need to go to mac store custome buidl a unite.. then go to Alian ware and build one... cuz ALine is the only line of hardware that comapires to apple hardware....

 

hey let me do custome buidl a pc for ya know in alianware for ya

 

for the sake of the agument I will complair a AW notebook with a MBP since notbooks seem to be more mainstreemed these days

 

-------------------------------------------------------

 

MacBook Pro (best u can buy and fully upgraded)

 

2.4GHz Intel Core 2 Duo

4GB 667 DDR2 - 2x2GB SO-DIMMs

250GB Serial ATA Drive @ 4200 rpm

SuperDrive 8x (DVD±R DL/DVD±RW/CD-RW)

MacBook Pro 17-inch High-Resolution Glossy Widescreen Display

Backlit Keyboard/Mac OS - U.S. English

AppleCare Protection Plan for MacBook Pro/PowerBook (w/or w/o Display) - Auto-enroll

 

Price $4,148.00 USD

 

----------------------------------------

 

Area-51® m9750

 

Video/Graphics Card: 512MB NVidia® GeForce™ Go 7950 GTX

Chassis: 17" WideUXGA 1920 x 1200 LCD with Clearview Technology - Stealth Black

Processor: Intel® Core™ 2 Duo Processor T7600 2.33GHz 4MB Cache 667MHz FSB

Memory: 4GB Dual Channel DDR2 SO-DIMM at 667MHz - 2 x 2048MB

Operating System (Office software not included): Genuine Windows Vista™ Home Premium

Tuners and Remotes: Without Media Center Remote Control or TV Tuner

System Drive: 250GB

Primary CD ROM/DVD ROM: 8x Dual Layer CD-RW/DVD±RW Burner

Wireless Network Card: Internal Intel® PRO Wireless 3945 a/b/g Mini-Card

Sound Card: High-Definition Audio with surround sound

Warranty: 1-Year AlienCare Toll-Free 24/7 Phone Support w/ Onsite Service

 

$4,503.00 USD

 

----------------------------------------------------

As you cna see I build the Alain ware aroudn the hardware compointes of the mac

 

as you see alian ware is the only hardware that can acutlly compaire to a mac hardware. and you see htat infact same specs on both the pc is roughly 399$ more then the MBP

 

NO YOU CAN NOT DO THIS SAME COMPAIRES WITH DELL/HP/GETWAY/AUSU AND SOO ON SO NO AGRUMENT THERE

 

Dells line do not evne come polse to Mac or Alineware hardware... (same is tur twith the XPS line)

HP line dose not come close to Mac or Alian

Ause Farrie Line dose not come closes to mac or alian....

Compaqs (won;t go there)

 

Custom Builds can alwazs outlcass Alian and Mac hardware (but u will notice the price of a custoem build will be higher then Mac and Alian hardware) Also custom build will alwazs surpass any mac hardware but with a price....

 

Intel Quad-Core 999$ USD

1TB Sata 699$ USD

FX-sound blaster Gammer edition 399$ USD

SLI Nvida Mainboard 299$ USD

SLI (x2) 8800 GTX Ultra 769MB ram 1400$ USD

Case with Liqued Cooling (ATX Full size Case) to house ever thing 699$ USD

 

Final Bill Priceless......For ever thing here u will need a mastercard.....LMAO

 

as u can see mac hardwre is infact not the best but remmber if you buy cheap you get cheap.... and u spend more in the long run......

 

 

FYI I DO NOT OWN A MAC.

 

MY PC AFTER UPGRADE IS THE FOLLOWING

 

 

AMD DUAL-CORE 4200+

2GIG OF RAM

SLI 8600 GT (X2)

AUDIGY 4.0

300GIG HD

AND RES ONBOARD

 

Price 2300$ USD in the end.... almost the same price for a half decent upgraded MBP...... in the end high end pcs are just the same about as a high end mac.

 

PS I em a hardware specliest and PC euthist... I dazzle in the art of PC moding and custom building for others for a living. I only build extream Mechines uselly selling around 3000$ + a pc.....SO in my line of work even a custom Macs are uselly cheaper then custom pc I sell

 

The only thing I do not sell or build for is carp linux... if soem one askes or asked me to build a pc for linux I tell the mto {censored} off and run a real OS.... I will NOT Suport LINUX.. I will not watch any type of hardware go to wast....and linux is by far is wasting any ones hardware....