lord_muad_dib Posted February 21, 2007 Share Posted February 21, 2007 (edited) it will be out on june ( ) Edited February 21, 2007 by lord_muad_dib Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mifki Posted February 21, 2007 Share Posted February 21, 2007 well my magic stick says, july the 21st at 6 am est. Disclaimer: I could be wrong Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Embio Posted February 21, 2007 Share Posted February 21, 2007 x64 only! damnit I am going to need a new Macbook! what a puzzling business decision from Apple....... that would be quite daft. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
asap18 Posted February 21, 2007 Share Posted February 21, 2007 Its going to be an AIO (x64 and x86 in one package, like PPC binaries and Intel, ahh Mach kernel rocks), and will be released in June at WWDC. Why do you think the moved wwdc up to June? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MrDee Posted February 21, 2007 Share Posted February 21, 2007 Its going to be an AIO (x64 and x86 in one package, like PPC binaries and Intel, ahh Mach kernel rocks), and will be released in June at WWDC. Why do you think the moved wwdc up to June? I don't know, its a Universal Binary I would say. The Frameworks (Carbon and Cocoa) have been compiled as one universal binary that is dynamic I believe by running when it detects the appropriate instruction set, whether its PPC 32-Bit, PPC 64-Bit, Intel x86 or Intel EM64T. I could be wrong. Just saying its an AIO would mean there are 4 versions of Leopard: Leopard for PPC 64-Bit Leopard for PPC 32-Bit Leopard for x86 Leopard for EM64T I am sure a Dual Layer DVD can only hold 8 GBs worth of data. 4 x 4 = 16 which means, Leopard would have to come on at least 2 dual layer DVDs which just not sound like something I think they want to do. Its an amazing feat they have accomplished to get it working so smoothly on so many architectures. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
projectle Posted February 21, 2007 Share Posted February 21, 2007 (edited) Where the hell do you people get this information? Leopard runs on EVERYTHING, G3 unofficially, G4 no problems, G5 no problems, Intel 32-bit and Intel 64-bit just fine. Quit spouting off mindless garbage that you know nothing about! The applications use Fat Binaries, ones that have extra code added to them to allow them to run natively under multiple architectures. The big thing in programs are the Resource Files, the ones that give you your UI, your icons, and all that other stuff. While it is actually an "All In One", it does not have multiple versions of the same files on the disc. It is one OS that runs everywhere and you can swap between architectures with no issues. Edited February 21, 2007 by projectle Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fizzeh Posted February 21, 2007 Author Share Posted February 21, 2007 @asap... They did not move WWDC up to June...last year they moved it back to August. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Schwinn555 Posted February 21, 2007 Share Posted February 21, 2007 Where the hell do you people get this information? Leopard runs on EVERYTHING, G3 unofficially, G4 no problems, G5 no problems, Intel 32-bit and Intel 64-bit just fine. Quit spouting off mindless garbage that you know nothing about! Thank you for saying what I was thinking ;-) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
track09 Posted February 21, 2007 Share Posted February 21, 2007 JaS has already retired, in case you have been updated with the news. Leopard is supposed to be x64 only, wonder if they are going to crack is so badly that it runs on the 32bit x86 systems as well. About getting leopard by late march, it has been experience that Apple doesn't delay its products as much as Microsoft, so it is highly improbable that leopard will be behind schedule. Therefore, it is only reasonable to expect that it will be here by spring. That's strange, because the PowerPC would be 32 bit for only the G4, but the G5 and Intel Core chips are all 64-bit. Strange... Cause Tiger x86 is 32-bit as of now except the Mac Pros. Fortunately, I have EM64T, for those without, this may be the end of the road, as there's no way to "patch" this, as all the code is 64-bit. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Purple Puppy Posted February 22, 2007 Share Posted February 22, 2007 I take back my words about x64 only. Sorry I haven't read the apple website carefully enough. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Embio Posted February 22, 2007 Share Posted February 22, 2007 That's strange, because the PowerPC would be 32 bit for only the G4, but the G5 and Intel Core chips are all 64-bit. Strange... Cause Tiger x86 is 32-bit as of now except the Mac Pros. Fortunately, I have EM64T, for those without, this may be the end of the road, as there's no way to "patch" this, as all the code is 64-bit. shall I open up my Macbook and ask the godamn Core Duo if its 64-bit or would you like to use Google and edit your post accordingly? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Adrian Fogge Posted February 22, 2007 Share Posted February 22, 2007 Only the Core2Dous and Xeons are 64-bit processors. The CoreSolos and CoreDuos are 32-Bit. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
asap18 Posted February 22, 2007 Share Posted February 22, 2007 umm fizzeh, http://developer.apple.com/wwdc/faq/ actually the g5 chip is a 64 bit chip. Leopard wll probably ship with two double layer dvds. One for Intel one for PPC, itd be very hard to put qll on one disk. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fizzeh Posted February 22, 2007 Author Share Posted February 22, 2007 Why would is ship as two DL-DVDs...right now the UB is about 5.5 gigs...and fits on a DL-DVD Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MrDee Posted February 22, 2007 Share Posted February 22, 2007 The applications use Fat Binaries, ones that have extra code added to them to allow them to run natively under multiple architectures. The big thing in programs are the Resource Files, the ones that give you your UI, your icons, and all that other stuff. While it is actually an "All In One", it does not have multiple versions of the same files on the disc. It is one OS that runs everywhere and you can swap between architectures with no issues. Fat Binaries, thats the word I was looking for. Perfect answer. Why would is ship as two DL-DVDs...right now the UB is about 5.5 gigs...and fits on a DL-DVD Mistake, projectle corrected with the FAT binaries answer. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mr.manatane Posted February 22, 2007 Share Posted February 22, 2007 I think it will be shipped with multiple DVD if needed (one for the OS and another one for the softwares) because not all macs support DL DVD. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bearcat Posted February 22, 2007 Share Posted February 22, 2007 (edited) I think it will be shipped with multiple DVD if needed (one for the OS and another one for the softwares) because not all macs support DL DVD. But even my Macbook Pro CoreDuo, which only has a single layer superdrive, can read DL DVD disks. BTW: in regards to other posts, the processor in it is a 32 bit processor. Edited February 22, 2007 by Bearcat Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fizzeh Posted February 22, 2007 Author Share Posted February 22, 2007 With Tiger, a CD version (of about 5 CDs) was available. Additionally, some people say iLife 07 will be bundled with Leopard, and that would need its own DL-DVD Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bwhsh8r Posted February 22, 2007 Share Posted February 22, 2007 But even my Macbook Pro CoreDuo, which only has a single layer superdrive, can read DL DVD disks. BTW: in regards to other posts, the processor in it is a 32 bit processor. really? its 32bit? i thought for sure core was 86-64 arch. (AMD64) and yea, theyd probably make it dvd dl, but some older macs that would support it dont have dvd-dl, so there may be a cd version too. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Adrian Fogge Posted February 22, 2007 Share Posted February 22, 2007 All DVD drives can read Dual-Layer DVDs. Not all DVD recorders can write Dual-Layer DVDs. Oh, and under Intel, only the Core2's and Xeons are 64-bit. Okay, there are others, but none that are used in Macs. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bearcat Posted February 22, 2007 Share Posted February 22, 2007 (edited) really? its 32bit? i thought for sure core was 86-64 arch. (AMD64) and yea, theyd probably make it dvd dl, but some older macs that would support it dont have dvd-dl, so there may be a cd version too. As Adrian has nicely put it. Any machine with at least a combo drive or dvd-rom will be able to read DL-DVDs. Only DL burners can create them. All CoreDuo machines (Mac mini, Macbook 1st gen, Macbook pro 1st gen, iMac CoreDuo 1st gen) are all 32 bit machines. (all with G wireless in them). All Core2Duo machines (iMac 2nd Gen and 24", Macbook 2gn Gen, Macbook pro 2ng gen) released last fall are 64 bit machines. (all with N wireless in them). All Mac Pros (Xeon Woodcrest) machines are 64 bit. Hope that helps Edited February 22, 2007 by Bearcat Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bwhsh8r Posted February 22, 2007 Share Posted February 22, 2007 As Adrian has nicely put it. Any machine with at least a combo drive or dvd-rom will be able to read DL-DVDs. Only DL burners can create them. All CoreDuo machines (Mac mini, Macbook 1st gen, Macbook pro 1st gen, iMac CoreDuo 1st gen) are all 32 bit machines. (all with G wireless in them). All Core2Duo machines (iMac 2nd Gen and 24", Macbook 2gn Gen, Macbook pro 2ng gen) released last fall are 64 bit machines. (all with N wireless in them). All Mac Pros (Xeon Woodcrest) machines are 64 bit. Hope that helps oh yea, i forgot about the core vs core2, thanks for clarifying it for me Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fizzeh Posted February 23, 2007 Author Share Posted February 23, 2007 To clarify about DVDs...Most commercial DVD movies are Dual Layer, so therefore any *close to decent* player can read them. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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