alloutmacstoday Posted January 10, 2007 Share Posted January 10, 2007 i'd help, and i will, but i'm only good at building games and apps, not compatibility programing, so if i can help, tell me. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Soündless Posted January 10, 2007 Share Posted January 10, 2007 (edited) if by you mean apps, a slider that shows the number and games, using tetris in terminal i cant wait to see some of ur new apps Edited January 10, 2007 by Soundless Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Soündless Posted January 10, 2007 Share Posted January 10, 2007 anyway, someone metioned a while ago that all universal apps needed 10.4.2, so we could try to figure out a patch to applly to all universal apps to run on 10.2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dragon Posted January 10, 2007 Author Share Posted January 10, 2007 we need to get a version of 10.2 somehow first . but getting them to work on 10.4 would be great!! also 8.0.0 (x86) isn't available on darwin site. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dragon Posted January 10, 2007 Author Share Posted January 10, 2007 EDIT:double post. =.= BTW soundless, as a game programmer AllOutMacsToday probably has some experience with GUI's, which may be handy. Dragon Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Colonel Posted January 10, 2007 Share Posted January 10, 2007 Getting Tiger to run on SSE Only machines would be a huge challenge. The machines would run slow, but I'm sure if we all worked together we could get something done. If there's a will, there's a way. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alloutmacstoday Posted January 10, 2007 Share Posted January 10, 2007 i have 10.2!!!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dragon Posted January 10, 2007 Author Share Posted January 10, 2007 Ai Haibara and myself are working together to create an install dvd containing a lightweight linux distribution and qemu/kqemu to emulate OS X at decent speeds. Using FeatherLinux we can create a startup script to launch qemu at fullscreen mode and emulate OS X off a harddrive image. Hopefully if we can tweak it enough we can get it at a reasonable speed, but I still recommend we attempt a native install. I am using an old p3 to test on, and Ai Haibara is using a p2. Dragon Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dragon Posted January 10, 2007 Author Share Posted January 10, 2007 AllOutMacsToday, you have 10.2 for x86 or 10.2 for PPC? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alloutmacstoday Posted January 10, 2007 Share Posted January 10, 2007 just 10.2 normal Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dragon Posted January 10, 2007 Author Share Posted January 10, 2007 Then you have a PPC edition which cannot run on x86 machines. We are wanting the unnoficial x86 edition which is probably stored away in a very very secure location. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alloutmacstoday Posted January 10, 2007 Share Posted January 10, 2007 (edited) i know, but it wouldn be possible to use the ppc version to get it to x86 just very very HARD Edited January 10, 2007 by AllOutMacsToday Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dragon Posted January 10, 2007 Author Share Posted January 10, 2007 It is impossible (without emulating) to run PPC apps on x86 hardware. This is because the processors have a different architecture. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alloutmacstoday Posted January 10, 2007 Share Posted January 10, 2007 frgt sorry, well, at least i have 10.2 now! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Embio Posted January 10, 2007 Share Posted January 10, 2007 (edited) Dragon and Ai Haibara that is awesome news, didnt realise Qemu booted OS X or OSx86. Just thinking here, at some point Qemu or KQemu has to emulate a SSE2 processor right? If thats the case then the answer is staring us in the face, we need to extract this code and use it to patch OS X 10.4. Am I right in thinking only Kqemu is closed-source? I must have missed a step here, please point it out if I have. if we are making progress I think we should move this thread into a more development-orientated area of the forum. Might attract more attention from people who could help that way as well. Edited January 10, 2007 by Embio Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tayklor Posted January 10, 2007 Share Posted January 10, 2007 I'm in. Will darwin 7 run tiger ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Soündless Posted January 10, 2007 Share Posted January 10, 2007 no, i know alloutmcs2day, he in 5 of my classes, he isnt a game programmer. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Soündless Posted January 10, 2007 Share Posted January 10, 2007 okay, could we use emulation? i have seen linux's that look like osx. how hard would it be to mod linux to look like, act like, and run like osx? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Embio Posted January 10, 2007 Share Posted January 10, 2007 would depend to what level you would want it to do it - how long is a piece of string? What we're talking about now is booting a 'thin' Linux distro to use purely to run Qemu and then a virtual instance of OSx86 which would run automatically. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Embio Posted January 10, 2007 Share Posted January 10, 2007 tayklor Darwin 7 is the underlying system of Panther, and Darwin 8 for x86 is available because I have the CD here Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dragon Posted January 10, 2007 Author Share Posted January 10, 2007 ok, featherlinux can be loaded into ram which makes it very quick. and yes qemu is open source (not kqemu). using the source from qemu to modify 10.4 would take a heap of work and programming skills. i think if we are going to go with emulation, we should be using featherlinux/qemu. atm, i just did a hdd install with featherlinux and am now copying the 10.4.1 deadmoo image off my ipod to /. i will then attempt to run the image under qemu. Dragon Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Embio Posted January 10, 2007 Share Posted January 10, 2007 the 10.4.1 image is VMware right? I'm going to attempt similiar with my Fedora box, which is tragically underrammed, and obviously the OS isnt as light as featherlinux (great thinking with the running from RAM! everyone has a 128MB lying around they can throw in, thats brilliant) but its all I have available at the second. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dragon Posted January 10, 2007 Author Share Posted January 10, 2007 my p3 has a coppermine processor (500mhz) and 256mb ram. The 10.4.1 image is the harddrive image created FROM vmware (deadmoo). Tiger-x86-flat.img Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Embio Posted January 10, 2007 Share Posted January 10, 2007 ok so we're on about the same page, apart from the fact that its half 4 in the morning here and im f****** nackered... never mind.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Embio Posted January 10, 2007 Share Posted January 10, 2007 http://forum.insanelymac.com/index.php?sho...132&hl=Qemu these guys already have it done. Still, I dont think it was run from RAM so if you could post some benchmarks Dragon that would be good, we could see where we stand then. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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