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cant we just use a 10.2 install dvd?

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soundless miht be right, i don't think they had great security/hd security back then. did they?

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cant we just use a 10.2 install dvd?

No, we can't.
We haven't got ANY 10.2 install DVD that works on Intel processors, we only have the PPC version of Jaguar.
And still if we can make 10.4.1 running on processors without SSE2 instructions, it seems to be pointless, because almost every universal binary actually shipping requires at least Mac OS X 10.4.3/4.
But... I just saw somewhere that the internal 10.4.2 build of Mac OS X x86 was hacked to allow the applications built with it or further releases of Mac OS X run on previous Mac OS X x86 releases too, so... Maybe we can make a lot of applications work even without 10.4.3 and even without SSE2.
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that's great news, so what files do we need to get a hold of?

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is the 10.4.2 exec patch the one you're talking about Sherry?

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is the 10.4.2 exec patch the one you're talking about Sherry?

Yes, it is.
If I remember correctly, Apple introduced a new type of binary with 10.4.2 which cannot run on previous releases of Mac OS X x86. Anyway, someone (maybe Maxxuss?) hacked it and find a way to make those binaries to run well even with 10.4.1.
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EDIT: nevermind, I've found this:

back on topic, the installer can easily hacked to make it install over 10.4.1 but apple has broken binary compatibility again and not in the old way. dunno if you remember that maxxuss released a 10.4.2 kernel exe patch that used to work but doesn't anymore.

So it seems that we cannot even run younger applications. :thumbsup_anim:

Edited by Sherry Haibara, 03 January 2007 - 11:13 AM.


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i'm sure that as long as we got it running and demonstrated it, people would be interested enough to patch it up for the sse people. maybe we might even get some help from some real kernel gurus like semthex. :thumbsup_anim:
let's just see what we can do and then worry about application compatibility later.

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this is kindof a non sequitor, but i might be @ the apple hq in may. people said that they would need the orriginal image, i it is not under copyright or any protection, i could ask nicely for it.

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ur going to apple hq, i thought u needed to be invited to go. and i doubt they'll just give u 10.2

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i am going to be in the cupertino area, my parents know i like apple, they would drop me off, and i could shoot the breeze with the security guard if they dont let me in.

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haha, good luck with that soundless.

anyways, i spoke to semthex about the kernel today and he said the problem is not with the kernel, it's with the non open source extensions and that we can boot the current kernel with "-s" to run on sse. so does somebody have a list of all the extensions which require sse2? if so, post plz.

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soundless i know the chances are low... but if you get that dvd, i will be very happy.

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It'll probably be on two CDs :P
Ok, and for Tiger so the problems are extensions and closed-system apps (like the Finder and the Dock)?
So we still need an SSE2 emulator, isn't it?
But if between SSE2 and SSE3 there are only few differences, between SSE and SSE2 there are a LOT of new instructions.
And remember that SSE-only processors are usually slow...
It'll be useless, maybe.
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maybe we could get it loading different versions of the extensions? older ones perhaps?

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what i'm saying is.. maybe we can avoid emulating sse2 by using combinations of open source/hacked stuff we've already got that can run without.

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what are we trying to do here? Tiger on SSE or OSx86 10.2?

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what are we trying to do here? Tiger on SSE or OSx86 10.2?

We're trying to obtain a copy of Mac OS X 10.2 for Intel.

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Nobody has it, except the apple developers in cupertino and I seriously doubt they would agree on handing it over. Tiger on SSE is the simplest solution we have in our hands considering the information, source and files on our hands. So is anybody interested? If not, i'll just shut up and continue dreaming over a 10.2 x86 being *given to us*.

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its probably in the "vault", not laying around on someones' desk, just tell them you wanna try it on your macbook.

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This thread is most amusing.





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