Ai Haibara Posted January 3, 2007 Share Posted January 3, 2007 (edited) is the 10.4.2 exec patch the one you're talking about Sherry? Yes, it is. If I remember correctly, Apple introduced a new type of binary with 10.4.2 which cannot run on previous releases of Mac OS X x86. Anyway, someone (maybe Maxxuss?) hacked it and find a way to make those binaries to run well even with 10.4.1. Sherry Haibara EDIT: nevermind, I've found this: back on topic, the installer can easily hacked to make it install over 10.4.1 but apple has broken binary compatibility again and not in the old way. dunno if you remember that maxxuss released a 10.4.2 kernel exe patch that used to work but doesn't anymore. So it seems that we cannot even run younger applications. Edited January 3, 2007 by Sherry Haibara Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dragon Posted January 3, 2007 Author Share Posted January 3, 2007 i'm sure that as long as we got it running and demonstrated it, people would be interested enough to patch it up for the sse people. maybe we might even get some help from some real kernel gurus like semthex. let's just see what we can do and then worry about application compatibility later. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Soündless Posted January 4, 2007 Share Posted January 4, 2007 this is kindof a non sequitor, but i might be @ the apple hq in may. people said that they would need the orriginal image, i it is not under copyright or any protection, i could ask nicely for it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alloutmacstoday Posted January 4, 2007 Share Posted January 4, 2007 ur going to apple hq, i thought u needed to be invited to go. and i doubt they'll just give u 10.2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Soündless Posted January 4, 2007 Share Posted January 4, 2007 i am going to be in the cupertino area, my parents know i like apple, they would drop me off, and i could shoot the breeze with the security guard if they dont let me in. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dragon Posted January 4, 2007 Author Share Posted January 4, 2007 haha, good luck with that soundless. anyways, i spoke to semthex about the kernel today and he said the problem is not with the kernel, it's with the non open source extensions and that we can boot the current kernel with "-s" to run on sse. so does somebody have a list of all the extensions which require sse2? if so, post plz. ta, Dragon Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dragon Posted January 4, 2007 Author Share Posted January 4, 2007 soundless i know the chances are low... but if you get that dvd, i will be very happy. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ai Haibara Posted January 4, 2007 Share Posted January 4, 2007 It'll probably be on two CDs Ok, and for Tiger so the problems are extensions and closed-system apps (like the Finder and the Dock)? So we still need an SSE2 emulator, isn't it? But if between SSE2 and SSE3 there are only few differences, between SSE and SSE2 there are a LOT of new instructions. And remember that SSE-only processors are usually slow... It'll be useless, maybe. Sherry Haibara Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dragon Posted January 4, 2007 Author Share Posted January 4, 2007 maybe we could get it loading different versions of the extensions? older ones perhaps? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dragon Posted January 4, 2007 Author Share Posted January 4, 2007 what i'm saying is.. maybe we can avoid emulating sse2 by using combinations of open source/hacked stuff we've already got that can run without. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Embio Posted January 4, 2007 Share Posted January 4, 2007 what are we trying to do here? Tiger on SSE or OSx86 10.2? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Colonel Posted January 4, 2007 Share Posted January 4, 2007 what are we trying to do here? Tiger on SSE or OSx86 10.2? We're trying to obtain a copy of Mac OS X 10.2 for Intel. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dragon Posted January 5, 2007 Author Share Posted January 5, 2007 Nobody has it, except the apple developers in cupertino and I seriously doubt they would agree on handing it over. Tiger on SSE is the simplest solution we have in our hands considering the information, source and files on our hands. So is anybody interested? If not, i'll just shut up and continue dreaming over a 10.2 x86 being *given to us*. Dragon Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
asap18 Posted January 5, 2007 Share Posted January 5, 2007 its probably in the "vault", not laying around on someones' desk, just tell them you wanna try it on your macbook. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sHARD>> Posted January 5, 2007 Share Posted January 5, 2007 This thread is most amusing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mifki Posted January 5, 2007 Share Posted January 5, 2007 One Word: Lol Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dragon Posted January 5, 2007 Author Share Posted January 5, 2007 shard: what's so amusing? :S Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Embio Posted January 5, 2007 Share Posted January 5, 2007 erm.... got to say this is a bit daft. You are going to walk into 1 infinate loop and ask nicely for a beta operating system that was never meant to leave Apples possession - not even as a developer copy like Rhapsody? dream on ;-) however, I have a couple of 'Coppermine' PCs that would like Tiger, even if it means removing a load of Apps like iTunes and Safari that need SSE2. What we need is a list of Apps and parts of the OS that need SSE2, then we can write emulators, write around or replace as neccesary. just my 2p Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cringemaster Posted January 5, 2007 Share Posted January 5, 2007 after scouring limewire, i found 2 things that caught my eye: "cheetah_intel.toast" "marklarpanther.iso" cheetah_intel.toast is taking way too long to download. the speed is about 500bps and the file is 637 mb. it also keeps disconnecting from the host so dont get excited" marklarpanther.iso wont download, its "looking for sources". i doubt they are real, but you never know. if you want to try and find it on limewire, just put in "marklar" or "panther" and it should come up. but i had to wait like 1 minutes before i saw them because limewire slowly connects to each peer. Cheetah is, from what i remember, 10.0 and Panther is 10.3. Now off to google to look for those files. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dragon Posted January 5, 2007 Author Share Posted January 5, 2007 i agree with you embio, we need a list. ResXhacker : i can't find these on limewire... i just get spam >< how long did you hav to search to find them? Dragon Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Embio Posted January 5, 2007 Share Posted January 5, 2007 (edited) I just think its easier to work with what we do have rather than what we could have. We know that Apple developer machines used Pentium 4s for Tiger, but what about Jaguar or anything earlier?? Edited January 5, 2007 by Embio Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
McSkywalker Posted January 5, 2007 Share Posted January 5, 2007 I wouldn't expect anything less than P4. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dragon Posted January 5, 2007 Author Share Posted January 5, 2007 apple have compiled an x86 build for every release of OS X since beta. even since rhapsody nextstep they have had x86 builds. i would guess that they used a range of computers from pentium IIs to P4's. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Embio Posted January 6, 2007 Share Posted January 6, 2007 I think McSkywalkers right in this case, the P4 was released around the same time as Cheetah... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dragon Posted January 6, 2007 Author Share Posted January 6, 2007 The darwin kernel for cheetah does not require sse2. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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