steenamaroo Posted December 6, 2016 Share Posted December 6, 2016 Hi all, Not strictly an osx86 question but I figure you guys are way more likely to know. Are there global issues with 'unsupported' nvidia cards in Sierra? I run a GTX970, stock ROM, on 2009 4,1 flashed to 5,1- 3x8gb 1333 + 2x2.66 6 core. OSX 10.12.1 16B2657 with NVWD 367.15.10.15f03 + Cuda 8.0.53 I did have the same issues on 10.12.0 and 16b2555, with the appropriate nvidia driver versions. OpenGLExtensionsViewer show glitches on all tests when set to core - compatible works fine, so that means issue is specific to OpenGL 3.1 or higher, I suppose. It shows diagonal flickering distortions, and the top-left writing (gpu+display info) is cut off diagonally. The bottom right of the open GL info bar is also cut off. I have the same result with a gtx560TI that I happen to have, so that's the card ruled out. I've done a completely clean Sierra install on a blank drive with the same result, tried the card in slot1+slot2, and tried removing a pci-e->Sata card that I have. Always the same result. I can't really think of anything else to rule out other than the NV web drivers and the fact that I don't have the MacVidCards ROM, but if the drivers had issues I guess MacVidCards would have announced it on their site. Could the custom ROM make this kind of difference? I'm not really bothered about boot screens so I'd hate to buy a card or send mine to be flashed just to find out. Both of the tested cards are dual DVI though, and that's what I'm using - Might be worth mentioning. I have tried single screen on each port. Same same. I am seeing issues outside of OpenGLEV. Safari and other apps are very sluggish and I see glitches and crashes in game. Rust, for example, has no fog which, admittedly, is a pretty cool advantage. Long Dark has glitchy indoor textures and crashes (the whole machine) after a period of play. Usually under half an hour. Unfortunately I don't have a 8800/120/680 to test with. Putting it out there. Any info is much appreciated. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
steenamaroo Posted December 8, 2016 Author Share Posted December 8, 2016 Update: I disabled SIP blind, with the intention of testing different graphics versions. Upon restart everything was a shedload quicker. Boot time, ftp access+navigation, safari doesn't hang for 5 seconds per page now....Everything's like lightening. Graphics issue is still true, all the same. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
J Lamp Posted December 28, 2016 Share Posted December 28, 2016 That's interesting that it ran faster with SIP disabled. I'm not sure what you have going on there. I was running a MSI GTX 670 in one build and have had graphics issues in certain apps (Safari by far being the worst) Web drivers didn't help. I just stuck an Asus GTX 650ti in that machine that I took from another build and the problems are gone. Likewise, the machine I took the 650 out of, I replaced the card there with an Asus 750ti. It didn't work at all (though it was fine under Windows.) Returned that and got a Gigabyte 750ti, no problems. It's a reminder that these are hacks and theres no warranty with the builds. I don't know what brand 970 you have, but mostly I see success stories with those, though there are the odd problem too if you search the forums. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
steenamaroo Posted December 28, 2016 Author Share Posted December 28, 2016 Hey, Thanks for the insight. Yeah, I don't get the SIP thing either but the change was black and white. Machine went from laggy p4 to 12 core xeon with the flick of that switch. It's not a hack - It's a real 5,1, although I realise I'm in the 0Sx86 section so my bad. Also realise that gtx cards aren't officially supported outside of 680 so point taken. I got chatting with one macpro+gtx970 owner who had the same artefacts in opengl extensions viewer but was aware of no other symptoms. He put it down to an app glitch. That may be the case and it may be coincidental, but he didn't game on his mac. If I didn't, I wouldn't be aware of the additional glitches either. It's my own fault but reverting to 10.11 would be a massive upheaval for me. Do you think is there any way to run El Capital graphics kexts and frameworks in 10.12? No idea if that's even logical but I'm out of ideas. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lord Kamina Posted December 28, 2016 Share Posted December 28, 2016 NVidia web drivers (which aren't allowing me to boot with my current build) resulted in smoke coming out of my PC yesterday... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
steenamaroo Posted December 28, 2016 Author Share Posted December 28, 2016 I'm going to take a punt and say there was more to it....... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lord Kamina Posted December 28, 2016 Share Posted December 28, 2016 The only thing that changed between "no smoke" and "oh holy sh-..." Was me removing nv_disable=1. As to why I can't boot with the current motherboard... That's anybody's guess. I only know it's not related to AGDP Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
steenamaroo Posted December 28, 2016 Author Share Posted December 28, 2016 Damn, Sorry to hear that man. Can't even offer any advice - I've been out of osx86 since 10.5. I think I'm done with my issue. Can't even find people to compare notes with, let alone someone with the same issue. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
J Lamp Posted December 28, 2016 Share Posted December 28, 2016 I'm sorry to hear about the smoke too, power supply? (Hopefully) I've suspected some power management issues with these builds from time to time. The machine that I changed the 650ti to a 750ti is an x58 chipset, about as macpro 5,1 as a hack can get. We replaced 2 1920x1200 monitors on the desk with a single 2k 34" monitor. The 650ti would only support that resolution at 30hz. That worked for about a week before the screen started blanking, devices on the USB bus were losing power (in conjunction with the screen blanking) and the computer was making buzzing sounds (again with the screen flickering) I figured that the old chipset was maxed and so was it's power consumption. The 750ti uses less power and produces more graphics horsepower. So far no problems. I'm guessing that if I was running Windows on this box I wouldn't have had any problems. The power supply in the build is well overrated for the power requirements, so I think it's a software issue. I've also read in many places that the Open CL/GL support in Macs is lacking compared to Windows. I use a particular photo editing app (Phase One Capture One) where at one point they had to release a script that would disable Open CL on Macs just to get the application to run. I hear that Apple and Nvidia are doing business again for some future machines.Hopefully the hardware support will improve. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lord Kamina Posted December 28, 2016 Share Posted December 28, 2016 I honestly have no idea what failed (if anything), despite the smoke and obvious "burnt" smell I can't really spot any symptoms other than some HDDs not being seen by the BIOS (but working fine in both Win and macOS) Although a PSA, I appear to have found what actually caused the issue: ASPM. My previous board (P67A-GD55) didn't have ASPM support; i.e. I got the "AppleLPC::notifyPlatformASPM - registering with plugin with ASPM Support false." message, so I used DisableASPM on CloverConfigurator. My current board (Z77 OC Formula) has ASPM support and gave a different message (basically saying ASPM registered) so I wasn't using the DisableASPM option in CloverConfigurator. Yesterday I booted without ASPMDisable and got that problem. Today I got the idea to try it, so I booted with nv_disable=1 and turned off ASPM in CloverConfigurator. Result? I can now boot with my GTX980 and the webdrivers! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
steenamaroo Posted December 28, 2016 Author Share Posted December 28, 2016 Do either of you know anything relating to the OP? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
J Lamp Posted December 29, 2016 Share Posted December 29, 2016 Just that it can still be hit and miss, even with something as well supported as the Nvidia cards. Also that on Macs, even with the web drivers, the open CL/GL support isn't top notch. I don't know what brand card you've got, you could try another rom. If you remove the build checking on the web driver installer (check the downloads section for the Nvidia Web Driver Updater app, I believe it will help with that) you could try another web driver version. Any chance the hardware itself is failing? The problematic GTX 670 I removed from my machine (which worked fine all the time except it constantly gave me graphics corruption in Safari) had parts fall out from under the cooling shroud when I shook it. Otherwise, sorry, not much more to add. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
steenamaroo Posted December 29, 2016 Author Share Posted December 29, 2016 Hey, I had played with different driver versions and I'm confident that the hardware is good, but I hadn't considered trying other roms. Good call! I'm pretty sure my card is EVGA but I'd need to check. It's dual DVI, though. Not sure how relevant that is. Thanks man. I'll post back if I learn anything. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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