mc86 Posted October 26, 2015 Share Posted October 26, 2015 Hi, I'm wondering if I should get an i7 5930K or a Xeon E5-1650 v3? I've looked at some comparison charts, and they look to be almost identical: Similar price, same base clock speed, cache, PCIE lanes, lithography, wattage, etc. The only real difference I've noticed is the Xeon doesn't support overclocking (obviously), while the i7 doesn't support ECC. However, one chart said the Xeon doesn't have multi-display support? Is this true? I'm not entirely sure if I plan on doing any overclocking, but support for multiple displays could be a deal breaker for me down the line. Here's a link to the aforementioned comparison (note: none of the other charts mentioned anything about this) http://www.cpu-monkey.com/en/compare_cpu-intel_xeon_e5_1650_v3-483-vs-intel_core_i7_5930k-439 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hangten Posted October 27, 2015 Share Posted October 27, 2015 @mc86 Intel Core i7-5930K would be my choice, its not that its any better than a good old X79 "Because of how long X99 was under development, it brings a ton of changes and improvements over X79 including native USB 3.0, more SATA 6Gb/s ports and support for DDR4 memory. In addition, Intel is also launching the new Haswell-E CPUs to go along with the new chipset. Unlike X99, however, the Haswell-E CPUs are not quite as clearly superior to the Ivy Bridge-E CPUs they are replacing. They certainly have plenty of improvements, but at the same time have a drop in frequency which may result in little to no performance benefit in some applications." I would recommend to use a real apple genuine wifi/bt, I would also use a real Mac Pro third party OBO USB 3.0 or USB 3.1 PCI-E ( Windows Compatible also) Not sure your aware of all the headaches people run into with El Capitan's USB & Z170 chipset teething issues. Well I can say my ASUS wifi/bt onboard panics and the asmedia USB 3.0 and intel were of no use on the getting El Capitan installed and can also say that my etron USB 3.0 J888 runs native in El Capitan. So live and learn Oh and one last thing my on board Marvell 4 port RAID actually works in Yosemite and EL Capitan. I purchased my X79 with the release of Ivy-brigde-E so there's not any real improvement thats so grand that its worth tossing my rig but I would purchase the X99 if I was without a rig. Z170 is still ??? and running it without super fast storage is just a shame IMO. Happy Hacking @ snatch, nice XP941, can you boot off of it or you need Clover or Chameleon on a separate EFI (usb stick)? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AsusFreak Posted October 27, 2015 Share Posted October 27, 2015 @Hangten Boots Clover fine. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mc86 Posted October 27, 2015 Author Share Posted October 27, 2015 So, can I use multiple displays with the Xeon? Is one better than the other? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MattsCreative Posted October 27, 2015 Share Posted October 27, 2015 if you want a good solid powerful build get a support platform or wait for new skylake workstation xeons since os x will support them in the future but as for x99 it's not worth the time or money and apple will never ever support it Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mc86 Posted October 28, 2015 Author Share Posted October 28, 2015 You may be right. However, like I said, my main priority is building a solid workstation with a 6 core CPU. Turning it into a hackintosh is of secondary importance. I'd much rather have a Windows based system using the best hardware I can afford than a hackintosh that uses less powerful hardware. I'll be dual booting anyway, so I won't mind if my OS X drive has a few bugs. Besides, there have been countless X99 builds made by people who know a lot more about computers than I do; if it's good enough for them, it's good enough for me. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MattsCreative Posted October 28, 2015 Share Posted October 28, 2015 well if you want a good solid hack you need a cpu that has power management if it doesn't have it you will be spitting fumes and not having the full 6 core performance Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mc86 Posted October 28, 2015 Author Share Posted October 28, 2015 Please see my post above. And how exactly do Haswell-E CPUs not have good power management? Besides, the current Mac Pro uses Ivy Bridge-E, and is 2 years old. I'm willing to bet the next version will use Haswell-E. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MattsCreative Posted October 28, 2015 Share Posted October 28, 2015 Please see my post above. And how exactly do Haswell-E CPUs not have good power management? Besides, the current Mac Pro uses Ivy Bridge-E, and is 2 years old. I'm willing to bet the next version will use Haswell-E. x99 has no i repeat zero PM x79 has PM haswell has pm ivy has pm but x99 has no non zero PM so the cpu fails to beat out a 4790k at 4.8 ghz Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mc86 Posted October 28, 2015 Author Share Posted October 28, 2015 Can you please elaborate? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MattsCreative Posted October 28, 2015 Share Posted October 28, 2015 Can you please elaborate? Pm is needed to make sure the cpu can down clock and upclock and have good vm performance and do proper rendering and so on and x99 lacks chipset support so there is no pm but skylake has chipset support and the next macpro is said to be skylake so your best bet is to choose a proper working platform if you want to do work as i have done and if need be choose haswell and get a xeon for the system like i can do Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hangten Posted October 28, 2015 Share Posted October 28, 2015 Hey WarDoctorWho, does point out some good points, mc86, look at some of the geek bench scores, its a fact that not all config perform well. if your running stock and not overclocking and locking the config.plist to a multi or using nullpowermanagement.kext your GHZ might be all messed up. Its not to say you can't but heat and power at full throttle sucks. I myself overclock most of the time but with the option to throttle it low because PM does work. Well my reserve is still for X99 its untouchable in Windows or wait it out 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MattsCreative Posted October 28, 2015 Share Posted October 28, 2015 Hey WarDoctorWho, does point out some good points, mc86, look at some of the geek bench scores, its a fact that not all config perform well. if your running stock and not overclocking and locking the config.plist to a multi or using nullpowermanagement.kext your GHZ might be all messed up. Its not to say you can't but heat and power at full throttle sucks. I myself overclock most of the time but with the option to throttle it low because PM does work. Well my reserve is still for X99 its untouchable in Windows or wait it out thank you for the backup. and on other points the heat will bring the life of your cpu down alot since it can't throttle the ghz properly which is really bad buying x99 for os x is as bad as buying a amd 8350 for os x and calling it good 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mc86 Posted October 28, 2015 Author Share Posted October 28, 2015 Why wouldn't it? Sorry I'm not as well informed about the industry as you, but given that the current version is Ivy Bridge-E based, it would be reasonable to assume the next one will use Haswell-E. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MattsCreative Posted October 28, 2015 Share Posted October 28, 2015 Why wouldn't it? Sorry I'm not as well informed about the industry as you, but given that the current version is Ivy Bridge-E based, it would be reasonable to assume the next one will use Haswell-E. haswell-e was ignored by apple they want skylake for the future and if the os has no chipset support the cpu of that chipset wont have any cpu pm just the way it works Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mc86 Posted October 28, 2015 Author Share Posted October 28, 2015 I see. That said, I'm willing to take the risk, and I'll probably end up using Windows for my DD anyway. The OS is less of a concern for me, and I'm really just hackintoshing for the challenge. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MattsCreative Posted October 28, 2015 Share Posted October 28, 2015 did I say something bad? why are my posts being removed? btw, even x79 still don't have full support to this day, only kernel PM nothing more. there is no point pjalm i give up let him waste his money Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mc86 Posted October 28, 2015 Author Share Posted October 28, 2015 Thank you. If that's the case, I'll look into it. And I appreciate the lack of douchebagerry on your part, unlike some people I've spoken with. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mc86 Posted October 28, 2015 Author Share Posted October 28, 2015 Agreed, but there's a right way and a wrong way to say it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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