mnfesq Posted June 25, 2015 Share Posted June 25, 2015 Long read but it covers this issue pretty comprehensively. http://appleinsider.com/articles/15/01/16/five-barriers-that-might-hold-apple-back-from-moving-intel-macs-to-custom-arm-chips Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Navaira Posted June 26, 2015 Share Posted June 26, 2015 Apple will lose countless customers if they ever switch to ARM Macs, so I don't think they will take the risk. It's the age of Tim Cook, not Steve Jobs, so innovation is the past, profit is the present Profit from the free OS? Or what else do you mean? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
joe75 Posted June 26, 2015 Share Posted June 26, 2015 Apple has already said they want to keep the Mac the way it is.. They are finally getting sales thanks to lower prices on competitive hardware and the fallout from windows 8 release. It is important for them to keep machines that can create the content they want to sell you.. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
0000-1248 Posted June 27, 2015 Share Posted June 27, 2015 Apple has already said they want to keep the Mac the way it is.. They are finally getting sales thanks to lower prices on competitive hardware and the fallout from windows 8 release. It is important for them to keep machines that can create the content they want to sell you.. If they wanted to keep the Mac the same than why did they ruin it with Yosemite? You can't create content on Yosemite because it is an OS built by 5-year olds for 5-year olds. By this I mean that the icons were made in the exotic workplace of kindergarten. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
crusher Posted June 27, 2015 Share Posted June 27, 2015 I'm not afraid while here @Pike R. Alpha,@Slice and @netkas!!!!!! And Oz bootloader!!!! 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mendietinha Posted June 27, 2015 Share Posted June 27, 2015 I'm not afraid while here @Pike R. Alpha,@Slice and @netkas!!!!!! And Oz bootloader!!!! i want to add clover bootloader to your list. along with other brilliant developers and collaborators. the retired ones and the ones starting in the past couple of years. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GhostRaider Posted June 29, 2015 Share Posted June 29, 2015 I'm not sure if anybody has thought of this but technically the new MacBook is somewhat designed to run an Apple A chip processor. Apple already has plans to implement it since the motherboard is fairly similar to that of an iPad. The hard work is already done at this point. All that's left is for Apple to implement an OS that uses its ARM processor. It could be a professional version of iOS or a ported version of OS X. Also, the MacBook Air basically has no future at this point and will eventually be phased out, unless this will be the "MacBook" that runs Intel chips. So Hackintoshes are safe for now. But the possibility of seeing an ARM chip on a Mac is very high. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
0000-1248 Posted July 2, 2015 Share Posted July 2, 2015 So Hackintoshes are safe for now. But the possibility of seeing an ARM chip on a Mac is very high. Yes, although did you watch the WWDC 2004? Steve Jobs said that it took a tremendous effort and about 6-8 months just to design the hardware, let alone port the OS to Intel Processors, so Apple may not be bothered. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mrjayviper Posted July 2, 2015 Share Posted July 2, 2015 Apple will lose countless customers if they ever switch to ARM Macs, so I don't think they will take the risk. It's the age of Tim Cook, not Steve Jobs, so innovation is the past, profit is the present do you honestly think the ones buying the mac products care what processor is inside as long as it works and as fast like nothing happened? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mhaeuser Posted July 2, 2015 Share Posted July 2, 2015 Compatibility issues with every single app every released for OS X is not what I would call 'just working'. Even if most of them could be recompiled to target ARM, what about the discontinued ones? In the Intel switch time, there was a PPC emulator - but I honestly doubt Apple would write a x86 emulator for ARM. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
joe75 Posted July 2, 2015 Share Posted July 2, 2015 New macbook is a perfect example of how terrible OS X performance is on a slower cpu.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Allan Posted July 2, 2015 Share Posted July 2, 2015 New macbook is a perfect example of how terrible OS X performance is on a slower cpu.. For simple things is very useful, but if we buy a new MacBook for use PS, Final Cut etc...that is very slower... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VACAS Posted July 4, 2015 Share Posted July 4, 2015 Best system in opinion its Mountain Lion 10.8.5 ! 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gils83 Posted July 5, 2015 Share Posted July 5, 2015 machdep.user_idle_level: 0 machdep.cpu.max_basic: 13 machdep.cpu.max_ext: 2147483678 machdep.cpu.vendor: AuthenticAMD machdep.cpu.brand_string: AMD FX-8320E Eight-Core Processor machdep.cpu.family: 21 machdep.cpu.model: 2 machdep.cpu.extmodel: 0 machdep.cpu.extfamily: 6 machdep.cpu.stepping: 0 machdep.cpu.feature_bits: 4510410050032630783 machdep.cpu.extfeature_bits: 138415316303870975 machdep.cpu.signature: 6295328 machdep.cpu.brand: 0 machdep.cpu.features: FPU VME DE PSE TSC MSR PAE MCE CX8 APIC SEP MTRR PGE MCA CMOV PAT PSE36 CLFSH MMX FXSR SSE SSE2 HTT SSE3 PCLMULQDQ MON SSSE3 FMA CX16 SSE4.1 SSE4.2 POPCNT AES XSAVE OSXSAVE AVX1.0 F16C machdep.cpu.extfeatures: SYSCALL 1GBPAGE EM64T LAHF LZCNT PREFETCHW RDTSCP TSCI machdep.cpu.logical_per_package: 8 machdep.cpu.cores_per_package: 8 machdep.cpu.microcode_version: 21 machdep.cpu.processor_flag: 1 machdep.cpu.mwait.linesize_min: 64 machdep.cpu.mwait.linesize_max: 64 machdep.cpu.mwait.extensions: 3 machdep.cpu.mwait.sub_Cstates: 0 machdep.cpu.thermal.sensor: 0 machdep.cpu.thermal.dynamic_acceleration: 0 machdep.cpu.thermal.invariant_APIC_timer: 0 machdep.cpu.thermal.thresholds: 0 machdep.cpu.thermal.ACNT_MCNT: 1 machdep.cpu.thermal.core_power_limits: 0 machdep.cpu.thermal.fine_grain_clock_mod: 0 machdep.cpu.thermal.package_thermal_intr: 0 machdep.cpu.thermal.hardware_feedback: 0 machdep.cpu.thermal.energy_policy: 0 machdep.cpu.xsave.extended_state: 7 832 960 1073741824 machdep.cpu.arch_perf.version: 0 machdep.cpu.arch_perf.number: 0 machdep.cpu.arch_perf.width: 0 machdep.cpu.arch_perf.events_number: 0 machdep.cpu.arch_perf.events: 0 machdep.cpu.arch_perf.fixed_number: 0 machdep.cpu.arch_perf.fixed_width: 0 machdep.cpu.cache.linesize: 64 machdep.cpu.cache.L2_associativity: 16 machdep.cpu.cache.size: 2097152 machdep.cpu.tlb.inst.small: 48 machdep.cpu.tlb.inst.large: 24 machdep.cpu.tlb.data.small: 64 machdep.cpu.tlb.data.small_level1: 1024 machdep.cpu.tlb.data.large: 64 machdep.cpu.tlb.data.large_level1: 1024 machdep.cpu.address_bits.physical: 48 machdep.cpu.address_bits.virtual: 48 machdep.cpu.core_count: 8 machdep.cpu.thread_count: 8 machdep.vectors.timer: 221 machdep.vectors.IPI: 222 machdep.pmap.hashwalks: 567864 machdep.pmap.hashcnts: 673020 machdep.pmap.hashmax: 14 machdep.pmap.kernel_text_ps: 2097152 machdep.pmap.kern_pv_reserve: 8000 machdep.memmap.Conventional: 8542494720 machdep.memmap.RuntimeServices: 0 machdep.memmap.ACPIReclaim: 0 machdep.memmap.ACPINVS: 6238208 machdep.memmap.PalCode: 0 machdep.memmap.Reserved: 33738752 machdep.memmap.Unusable: 0 machdep.memmap.Other: 0 machdep.tsc.frequency: 4291186854 machdep.tsc.deep_idle_rebase: 1 machdep.tsc.nanotime.tsc_base: 136523271714 machdep.tsc.nanotime.ns_base: 0 machdep.tsc.nanotime.scale: 1000880978 machdep.tsc.nanotime.shift: 0 machdep.tsc.nanotime.generation: 2 machdep.misc.panic_restart_timeout: 1266874889 machdep.misc.interrupt_latency_max: 0x0 0xde 0x142fea machdep.misc.machine_check_panic: machdep.misc.timer_queue_trace: machdep.misc.nmis: 0 machdep.eager_timer_evaluations: 416 machdep.eager_timer_evaluation_max: 1153784 iMac-de-gils:~ gils$ If Apple will make some changes, please go to AMD CPUs Yes !! AMD FX , good job for 140 $ Xeon 1245v2 good job for 300 $ AMD "Zen" ? 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AppleIIGuy Posted July 6, 2015 Share Posted July 6, 2015 8 Core AMD vs 4 Core Intel.. and the speed is Equal... so the Intel is core for core more powerfull 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wegface Posted July 6, 2015 Share Posted July 6, 2015 8 Core AMD vs 4 Core Intel.. and the speed is Equal... so the Intel is core for core more powerfull The amd guys will never hear your point. (over the noise of all the cooling fans ) 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gils83 Posted July 6, 2015 Share Posted July 6, 2015 8 Core AMD vs 4 Core Intel.. and the speed is Equal... so the Intel is core for core more powerfull 4 M / 8 T vs 4 C / 8 T // 95 w vs 77 w with WC coolmaster Seidon 120 M Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mendietinha Posted July 6, 2015 Share Posted July 6, 2015 The amd guys will never hear your point. (over the noise of all the cooling fans ) you are mean Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gils83 Posted July 6, 2015 Share Posted July 6, 2015 The amd guys will never hear your point. (over the noise of all the cooling fans ) http://www.dailymotion.com/video/x48fgz_ecoutez-le-bruit-des-ventirads-de-c_tech Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
spakk Posted July 7, 2015 Share Posted July 7, 2015 I'm 100 percent sure that together we will always find a way to resolve nearly all the problems that Apple will put us on the road. We have Excelente programmers from around the world, here on insaneleymac. They have so far mastered every problem Excelent, Patience ... everything will find its way. I am sure that together we will master the appropriate and necessary steps to be successful. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GhostRaider Posted July 7, 2015 Share Posted July 7, 2015 The fact that NVIDIA supports Hackintosh is funny but from a business perspective its important. I'm assuming that NVIDIA has a monopoly on the Hackintosh scene and they clearly like that. Sure there's AMD cards that will work but mostly everyone else buys NVIDIA cards because of the support. Not only that but there's many people out there that use NVIDIA cards and Hackintoshes for professional work so that's why NVIDIA is the preferred brand here. Does Apple know that NVIDIA helps the Hackintosh community? Yes they do, but I guess Apple is fine with it. I honestly believe that Apple doesn't really care. The benefit they get is obviously marketshare and developers that don't have Macs. Apple is protecting their OS from hackers, not Hackintoshes, which they are allowed to do. 1. So the KextExcludeList is to prevent hackers from installing malicious kexts without your knowledge. So every Hackintosh kext known to Apple is listed there but does it block out those kexts? No, you'll get a warning if you install these kexts on a real Mac. Apple did leave a workaround for Hackintoshes on purpose. 2. Rootless is to prevent malicious programs from exploiting root level access and files. Will this block out Hackintoshes? It seems like it won't either and again Apple will most likely leave a workaround. In short, Apple just wants you to see that a Hackintosh is sometimes a pain in the butt to get it working. But that doesn't mean that they want to kill it either. If they wanted to do that, they could have done it a long time ago. 5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mendietinha Posted July 7, 2015 Share Posted July 7, 2015 The fact that NVIDIA supports Hackintosh is funny but from a business perspective its important. I'm assuming that NVIDIA has a monopoly on the Hackintosh scene and they clearly like that. Sure there's AMD cards that will work but mostly everyone else buys NVIDIA cards because of the support. Not only that but there's many people out there that use NVIDIA cards and Hackintoshes for professional work so that's why NVIDIA is the preferred brand here. Does Apple know that NVIDIA helps the Hackintosh community? Yes they do, but I guess Apple is fine with it. I honestly believe that Apple doesn't really care. The benefit they get is obviously marketshare and developers that don't have Macs. Apple is protecting their OS from hackers, not Hackintoshes, which they are allowed to do. 1. So the KextExcludeList is to prevent hackers from installing malicious kexts without your knowledge. So every Hackintosh kext known to Apple is listed there but does it block out those kexts? No, you'll get a warning if you install these kexts on a real Mac. Apple did leave a workaround for Hackintoshes on purpose. 2. Rootless is to prevent malicious programs from exploiting root level access and files. Will this block out Hackintoshes? It seems like it won't either and again Apple will most likely leave a workaround. In short, Apple just wants you to see that a Hackintosh is sometimes a pain in the butt to get it working. But that doesn't mean that they want to kill it either. If they wanted to do that, they could have done it a long time ago. true that. very true. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gils83 Posted July 7, 2015 Share Posted July 7, 2015 nV team that Macs low end (you know why), with Apple, nV can not cheat as they do with Microsoft, with AMD / ATI, we find the true performance returning to AMD / ATI and hopefully it and continue. the results of the only GPU nV I used OS X seems not very good, AMD has a far smoother image and qu'nV. I hope to see the GPU FuryX on new MacPro much maligned and ridiculed on this Windows {censored}. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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