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No worries, Apple will not "hunt us down" :) And let's just hope they won't lock us down either. But ultimately, we will have to wait and see.

 

Nonetheless, if anybody discovers any changes in a new build regarding this topic, it would be nice to hear about!



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Those changes are already in Mavericks and have been in there since DP1... You guys misread the post and the person who posted the information in that article is mis informed into thinking that Mavericks will break Hackintoshs. The WWDC session video states that kext in /Library/Extension will not load if they are not CODESIGNED. However kexts in Extra/Extensions and S/L/E will continue to load (as they are now) and upon the first installation of your mac an annoying box will pop up and will inform you that S/L/E is not valid but they loaded anyway. After you click Ok, you will never see that box again.

 

Everything is fine.



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You guys misread the post and the person who posted the information in that article is mis informed into thinking that Mavericks will break Hackintoshs.

 

I think nobody said Apple WILL definetly lock down OS X. There always was a question mark. But I think that Apple _could_ use such mechanics to lock down OS X, and they _have_ some kexts in their list (FakeSMC et al) that are only used for hacking (not exculsively hacking kexts, thats another thing). The real question is: will they? (And that's a very important question imho)

 

Everything is fine.

 

So many have said: "no, they won't", and _if_ you are all right, I will be happy. I am just a bit wary of believing that, so I'd like to see.



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Relax, Apple won't actively invest in trying to block future customers.



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Nosotros somos la mejor inversion de Apple en comprobar la compatibilidad de productos. 

Si blockearian la posibilidad de hackear sus sistema, algo que pueden hacer facilmente, deberían desarrollar investigaciones muy caras y con mucho riesgo masivo.

 

 

google trad:

 

We are the best investment for Apple to check product compatibility.

If they block the ability to hack their system, something that they can do easily, should develop a very expensive research and massive risk.


Edited by fantomas1, 01 September 2013 - 10:49 AM.
please do your best to post your comments in english, thank you


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My take on this is that Apple are simply trying to add protection to genuine macs by ensuring that no OS specific kexts are tampered with. They don't care about aftermarket or hackintosh specific kexts that are not installed by the OS because they wont affect genuine macs hence they are in the exclusion list (not Apples problem if they wreak havoc etc).



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My take on this is that Apple are simply trying to add protection to genuine macs by ensuring that no OS specific kexts are tampered with. They don't care about aftermarket or hackintosh specific kexts that are not installed by the OS because they wont affect genuine macs hence they are in the exclusion list (not Apples problem if they wreak havoc etc).

Makes sense to me.

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It's absolutely impossible to lock root user out of /system, specially when unencrypted harddrives can be switched to other machine or just boot to windows and modify the files with help of macdrive, they can try but it wont end well for apple.

If they end up being able to lock it then hackintosh community will find way to override the system lock within 1hour to 2days.

 

Im also thinking of it more like protection from tempering of os files in genuine macs that really wont affect hackintosh's at all.

 

I think it would require TPM module to be installed to even lock the system and i think that will come with future macs to protect /system from tampering.



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So now that OS X Mavericks GM is out, what can we officially say about these exclusion kexts? Can you still install kexts in S/L/E?

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It's still the same as it was in all the dp's from what I can tell. In currently only running it on my mbp, and in the info.plist there's seriously like every kext ever made for OS X... So four the most part the only kexts you would have to add to the list would be new kexts that have been developed since it's release or modified kexts.

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My build  Z87M-D3H  GeForce 760 and just 2 kext install / network and fakesmc; I never recive  message to eclude my kext  in GM   :)



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My build  Z87M-D3H  GeForce 760 and just 2 kext install / network and fakesmc; I never recive  message to eclude my kext  in GM   :)

ofcorz it make sense. those kexts might already been included by Apple



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So, with GM out we can safely assume that the situation won't change anymore?

 

Interesting indeed, bc as it stands right now, hacking is even easier now, and with additional support (LGA2011) and less kexts needed. Heck, Apple did even whitelist hackintosh specific kexts, so we do not get some pesky messages. So I am also baffled a bit ... but maybe it makes sense nonetheless.

 

Bc in a way, Apple might see the Hackintosh community as friends, not enemies - maybe even as a big bunch of guinea pigs, which do Apple no harm, but test and make sure OS X runs on a wider variety on hardware. I do not think that Apple will release OS X for non Apple machines anytime soon, but as I know Apple, they like having some backup strategies. So, who knows?

 

And if I were Apple, I'd still prefer a "Hackintosher" - who is still tied to the Apple ecosystem in a way - over loosing a customer completely to Windows or Linux.

 

Maybe these things also play a role?



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So, with GM out we can safely assume that the situation won't change anymore?

 

Interesting indeed, bc as it stands right now, hacking is even easier now, and with additional support (LGA2011) and less kexts needed. Heck, Apple did even whitelist hackintosh specific kexts, so we do not get some pesky messages. So I am also baffled a bit ... but maybe it makes sense nonetheless.

 

Bc in a way, Apple might see the Hackintosh community as friends, not enemies - maybe even as a big bunch of guinea pigs, which do Apple no harm, but test and make sure OS X runs on a wider variety on hardware. I do not think that Apple will release OS X for non Apple machines anytime soon, but as I know Apple, they like having some backup strategies. So, who knows?

 

And if I were Apple, I'd still prefer a "Hackintosher" - who is still tied to the Apple ecosystem in a way - over loosing a customer completely to Windows or Linux.

 

Maybe these things also play a role?

 

It's still kind of hard to believe that Apple is supporting the Hackintosh lol. The exclusion list basically says everything. Technically speaking, laptops are a bit more harder to convert them to hackintoshes while desktops are easier. The easiest however is building a hackintosh from scratch. One theory as to why they might be supporting hackintosh is because of users who need OS X but also need powerful production machines than the Mac Pro. I'm not sure if its legal but I believe there are movie or music production studios who use hackintoshes.



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maybe they hope to profit from the app store.

HP 7700 5g ram 500g , 750g HD

Maverick GM installed on

60g usb flash

250g usb flash

500g HD

750 HD



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It's still kind of hard to believe that Apple is supporting the Hackintosh lol.

 

Well, seems they actually do - at least a little bit.

 

Technically speaking, laptops are a bit more harder to convert them to hackintoshes while desktops are easier.

 

"Convert" - good hint. Bc there are also people who are actually "converting", but wouldn't have done so if they hadn't the chance to try out OS X on a Hackintosh before.



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All is well here: GA-Z77X-UD5H, Radeon 7950HD (Crossfire). Patched AppleHDA, FakeSMC, and Intel/Atheros and my System is running smooth. No pop-ups, no errors (bdmesg or console). The only issue I have encountered thus far is having to sleep the System once to enable SS/Turbo to work, just like all of the DP versions.



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Can anyone explain how to add a kext to the exclusion list then? I have made some edits to the AGPM and it now reports that the signature is broken. The kext loads but I think it has issues when it comes out of sleep. I wanted to be able to add it to the exclusion list as to isolate the problem. Another is the AppleHDA, mine gives me the same warning in console

 

Any help would be appreciated



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the edits shouldn't be a problem and if the kext is loaded it is fine, adding to the list is NOT going to make a difference. breaking the sign should only make it show as: from unknown. your problems with wake are from something else.

 

Ive always thought that the fear of kexts signing has all been FUD and with the fact that apple also includes unsigned system kexts i don't think it will ever be an issue in the future.



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I'm hoping Apple doesn't try to pull any stunts to block off the Hackintosh community.







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