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#41
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Dear verdant, I have sold 4 perfectly working hackintoshes since 2006, simply because I wanted something more recent and powerful. The last one I sold was a beautiful Q9550 based PC, quite powerful. I regret doing that.

Of course I don't mean that everybody should do the same, and from now on I am going to spend less money on PCs :)

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I usually just lurk, but I felt like this was something worth addressing. I wouldn't say that InsanelyMac has become inactive, but let's be honest-- it's not as popular as it used to be. I doubt it's just "cyclical", too:

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As you can see, the "old guard" of the Hackintoshing scene is probably sticking firm and keeping to InsanelyMac, but few new users to Hackintosh are joining this forum-- they're flocking to tony instead. Of course, it's difficult to be self-critical, especially in a forum section mainly populated by forum moderators and administrators. :P But I think some of the posts from the Hackintosh subreddit on Reddit explain these user's opinions reasonably well:

tonymac rustles the jimmies of certain hackers who want kudos for their contributions to os86 whilst keeping it out of the hands of "mundanes". although as far as i know he has never been asked by an author to remove, or refused to remove, code from #####

is he a Prometheus who has stolen fire from the gods and given it to humanity or, like Jobs himself, a character who saw the potential in other peoples small innovations and created an attractive package to make it consumable. either way i'm good with it.


Thanks to tonymac, I don't have to fight through cocky, pretentious twats with horrid English to learn new things and get a hackintosh up and running. It's free software aimed at broadening the usability and community, and for some reason, that scares the {censored} out of some people.


Then, of course, there are the people who always show up in these arguments that {censored} about tonymac 'stealing code' and 'taking credit for others work' and the like. I've never seen a single post claiming that all the work in tonymac's tools was proprietary. And guess what? Nobody cares. The whole reason that people use ##### and ##### is that it's EASY. Sure, other people paved the way, but there was no way I was going to build a hack unless all the various tools, kexts, and utilities were distilled down into one package so that I didn't have to hunt it all down. You don't like it? Good, go do it the hard way. Just do it somewhere else quietly.


I don't completely agree with these opinions (the prometheus analogy was kind of stupid, and I'm pretty sure tonymacx86 tools ARE proprietary), but these are the actual opinions of the thousands of people who flock to tonymacx86 or Lifehacker or Youtube instead of InsanelyMac. And as much as this forum would like to cater to people who actually know what they're doing, following that mindset will only ensure that InsanelyMac recruits fewer and fewer new users.

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just let them get banned and you will see that they will change their minds

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I don't completely agree with these opinions (the prometheus analogy was kind of stupid, and I'm pretty sure tonymacx86 tools ARE proprietary), but these are the actual opinions of the thousands of people who flock to tonymacx86 or Lifehacker or Youtube instead of InsanelyMac. And as much as this forum would like to cater to people who actually know what they're doing, following that mindset will only ensure that InsanelyMac recruits fewer and fewer new users.


In the last few years, quantity hasn't been as much of a concern for us as quality.
That is one of the reasons why we introduced quizzes (the other one being keeping spammers away).
Also, here genuine developers can find their "natural playground".
Our aim is not giving users free Macs, but helping them learn.
Nevertheless, I am pretty sure we are still doing quite well. Right now we are developing a set of tools, Pandora, which once out of Beta stages, should help users a lot to install OS X on their PCs.
Tonymac hides how many users are on-line at any given time, but once, not a very long time ago, it was available, and they were very few.

just let them get banned and you will see that they will change their minds

:lol:


And also wait until tony's tools break their systems, which is bound to happen. And then nobody has a clue.

http://www.insanelym...e/#entry1908463

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I think that InsanelyMac would be taking a big step forward in retaining new users if we just removed some of the old stickies in the Tutorials section, since I'm pretty sure that's the section that most people go to first. Some of the first 13 stickies in the Tutorials section are actually pretty outdated. For example, this guide was retired by its poster a few years ago, so I don't see much reason to keep it stickied.

Same thing goes for this guide, and maybe this one as well. Technically, these guides still "work", but they're not really relevant to the vast majority of newcomers (who I assume are the main readers of the tutorials sections).Ideally, the stickies in the tutorial sections would cover just the very essentials: how to actually install Mountain Lion on your PC, common errors like the boot0 error, etc.

Here's a few more threads in other sections that should probably be unstickied, in my opinion:
http://www.insanelym...d-acceleration/ <- compatibility list that hasn't been updated in 3-4 years, no longer useful
http://www.insanelym...video-problems/ <- same as above
http://www.insanelym...graphics-cards/ <- no longer necessary due to new versions of Chameleon
http://www.insanelym...to-efi-strings/ <- same as above
http://www.insanelym...-the-same-time/ <- no longer necessary due to new drivers/support? (correct me if I'm wrong)
http://www.insanelym...5-snow-leopard/ <- outdated compatibility list

This is just a few examples. In fact, a majority of the stickies in some sections (particularly the Hardware Component sections) are outdated. This isn't as big of a deal as extra stickies in the Tutorials section, since the Tutorials section is likely to attract more new users. However, keeping "legacy" guides stickied just makes InsanelyMac look outdated when new people check out this forum.

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Thanks for your feedback, TheSmartGuy, we find it very useful.

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It's great to see the forum taking some action to update the stickies. :D With that in mind, there are still a lot of old guides that should probably be unstickied. I'll try to list some of them here.

Graphics Section
http://www.insanelym...870-on-leopard/ <- Too old to be useful for most users. Though the guide technically still works, it probably shouldn't be stickied anymore.
http://www.insanelym...king-gma-x3100/ <- Old compatibility thread, same reason as above.
http://www.insanelym...cs-needed-here/ <- same reason as above

LAN and Wireless Section
http://www.insanelym...eless-problems/ <- mostly outdated fixes, and a lot of links in the thread are dead
http://www.insanelym...ernet-problems/ <- same as above

Besides these two threads, there are a LOT of other old threads stickied in the LAN and Wireless section; there seems to be at least one thread for every popular network solution that has ever been used in the history of the Hackintosh community. Personally, I think that the stickies are too much (most of the information in the threads would be better addressed in the OSX86 Project Wiki), but it's up to the admins of the forum to decide whether they want to keep those other threads.

Sound section
http://www.insanelym...56-cmedia-8738/ <- CMedia audio is not very relevant to most users anymore, so this probably shouldn't be kept as a sticky
http://www.insanelym...1052-and-above/ <- This guide seems to be outdated
http://www.insanelym...-audio-working/ <- Same as above. Also, some of the links in the thread are dead.
http://www.insanelym...-to-pin-config/ <- The threadstarter isn't updating this thread anymore.

SATA/IDE Controllers section
http://www.insanelym...d-p-ata-driver/ <- outdated driver thread

Other Peripheral Devices
http://www.insanelym...20-ehci-driver/ <- outdated driver thread
http://www.insanelym...ards-for-tiger/ <- outdated compatibility list (for Tiger, after all)
http://www.insanelym...ftware-release/ <- outdated driver thread
http://www.insanelym...y-is-shown-now/ <- also outdated (though I'm not totally sure about this one)
http://www.insanelym...-users-rejoice/ <- outdated driver thread
http://www.insanelym...ked-ps2-driver/ <- same as above
http://www.insanelym...uments-pcixx12/ <- same as above

In the case of "outdated driver threads", some of these drivers still work; however, they have either been superseded by newer (often pre-patched) versions, or are no longer common used. Either way, I think it would be confusing for new users to receive this kind of conflicting information.

As a side note, I think that we should try to limit the number of stickied threads that only apply to Mac OS X Tiger or Leopard, since this information usually can't be considered "mainstream" anymore. Nowadays, most of the people who are still running Leopard on their Hackintosh usually know what they're doing, and don't need to rely on stickies. :P

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You should probably be a moderator here.

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cheater, you have expanded the list

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I must say, as a lurker with just 5 posts to your name as of writing this, you post some very insightful things which I do happen to find true as well in addition, a possible solution to it as well.

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The fact is, the obvious sticky that should be there is not there yet. Why having a featured installer if there's not an official installation guide based on it?

All the best!

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Another suggestion - if we do indeed update the stickies, could the old ones maybe be moved to an archive forum? They have a bit of a nostalgic feel to them. :)

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Another suggestion - if we do indeed update the stickies, could the old ones maybe be moved to an archive forum? They have a bit of a nostalgic feel to them. :)


I agree fully........I do not like the idea of discarding any knowledge........science and engineering is full of examples of so-called 'old' or 'redundant' information that had been forgotten, only to be re-discovered and found to be relevant in some way, whether directly, or indirectly by sparking 'fresh' approaches etc to solving problems......... :)

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In my opinion, if i might add, we do need an archive section with outdated knowledge. There has been a lot more than just the stickies. So much developer resources that have been shared, but never got the attention, because back then, nobody understood what they where saying. Nowadays nobody will either, but they can learn from the old resources. My profile states otherwise, but i have been here since 2006, JaS 10.4.6. Did what i could back then, with my Windows knowledge, what i learned in the OS X scene back then, still applies today. Just take the effort to read through all of it, when you're new. That's why i prefer the archive section with valuable resources.

But on a other note, i just came by to say, Insanelymac is not dying, 2 AM here.

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