Forum inactivity

[Cerastez]

I don't know about other people but cost is a real concern for me. Just a few years ago I could buy a used PC for under $100 and it would have good enough specs to be a fast hackintosh. I was much more active on the board when I could pick up a cheap PC and try to hackintosh it. I didn't mind failing occasionally because I could always try another cheap old computer.

 

I would have to spend around $300 today to buy a used PC that would run Mountain Lion. That kind of takes the sport right out of it. I am encouraged that some of the new kernals will work on older machines.

[theconnactic]

Hi!

 

The kernels in the AMD Development section will run Mountain Lion on any machine which is 64-bit capable (including but not limited to Pentium 4 and Pentium D CPUs), regardless of how old, because of the built-in opcode emulator. Even more than that: a Mountain Lion kernel for 32-bit is under way (but i suppose it will need a 64-bit CPU anyway, since most of the userland processes are 64-bit, i'm afraid).

 

All the best!

[WaldMeister]

There is nothing more frustrating and fun then getting an AMD machine working.

 

When you get it to work you get such a headrush considering how difficult it is.

 

AMD hackintoshing is straight up fun

 

I just sticked to frustrating. Could not get it to work, a bootable USB yes, but installing, forget it, yes, i compared the USB, replaced some files on the HDD etc. There was no fun, SH** got Sirius!

Myself, i had AMD once, my first laptop, an Acer Aspire ?*?. After that, i had only Intel.

 

Nevertheless, i will get OS X running on that AMD machine 1 day.

Working on this 1,5 year now, on and off ofcourse, but i'm not giving up. And honestly, i did not do any research yet on the hardware, trial and error, which makes it fun

 

This would be a good moment for a Rickroll i think.

[eep357]

Hi!

 

The kernels in the AMD Development section will run Mountain Lion on any machine which is 64-bit capable (including but not limited to Pentium 4 and Pentium D CPUs), regardless of how old, because of the built-in opcode emulator. Even more than that: a Mountain Lion kernel for 32-bit is under way (but i suppose it will need a 64-bit CPU anyway, since most of the userland processes are 64-bit, i'm afraid).

 

All the best!

My MacBook 2,1 stuck on Lion due to GMA950. 32bit ML Kernel FTW!

[theconnactic]

It's here already, for quite a few days in fact: https://meklort.com/~sinet3k/sinedp1

 

Credits to Sinetek. It's a dp1 kernel, but should also work with 10.8.x, as long as you use the kexts from dp1 (for 10.8.x don't have 32-bit kexts).

 

Try and post there your results, please!

 

All the best!

[eep357]

It's here already, for quite a few days in fact: https://meklort.com/~sinet3k/sinedp1

 

Credits to Sinetek. It's a dp1 kernel, but should also work with 10.8.x, as long as you use the kexts from dp1 (for 10.8.x don't have 32-bit kexts).

 

Try and post there your results, please!

 

All the best!

OK, need it at my job tomorrow, big meeting with company contracted for our web content management/database, but suspect I may have a ML MacBook before the weekend!

[BALDY_MAN]

i think that the is also ppl who once that have osx installed that just use it. and don't bother messing about. there just happy to have a very stable system.

which means thay no longer come to the forum. don't have the confidence to help others

i have four friends i have helped build hacks. that don't wish to up date or mess. just enjoy there systems

[eep357]

i think that the is also ppl who once that have osx installed that just use it. and don't bother messing about. there just happy to have a very stable system.

which means thay no longer come to the forum. don't have the confidence to help others

i have four friends i have helped build hacks. that don't wish to up date or mess. just enjoy there systems

LOL, the more Hack's I set up for other people, the more time I have to spend fixing them when they screw something up! Sometimes it turns out to be unrelated to being a Hack at all or just stupid, like being asked to come over and fix computer when a simple reboot was all that was needed....."You didn't try that before calling me?!!!!" Of course if they do say they tried to fix it first, that usually means they screwed things up even more....then called me

[theconnactic]

A hackintosh with compatible parts (from now on a "vanilla" hackintosh, the only kind that can be recommended seriously as a main machine to get real job done) these days is as straightforward to install or service as any Windows setup (in my opinion, even more then most Windows 8 setups; Windows 8 still has the broader hardware compatibility advantage though).

 

That said, people break the most clean and safe Windows setups all the time! In fact, i think it's even easier to screw things with windows because 1) Windows is quite more complex interface-wise and 2) Windows is the target of almost the totality of malware.

 

I honestly think people who service "vanilla" hackintoshes (if this job really exists) have easier times because when things go wrong with a hackintosh, is either a newbie stuck with a very silly misstep (like failing to repair permissions or put back a patched AppleHDA after an update) or an advanced user trying to enable support for exotic pieces of hardware or achieve some other OSX86 breakthrough, and this guy/gal won't call your help (but you might as well ask his/hers).

 

All the best!

[eep357]

Well, if I was "Windowsing" computers for them, I'd get way more calls It's never been the Hackintoshes fault, but user or hardware failure(don't do this anymore BTW). If they were slightly computer literate, I wouldn't be the one installing OSX in the first place I've done home media installs in the past and get call months later cause the phone doesn't work. It's phone company's problem and wiring is no where near anything I do (outside house in front vs inside house in back), but call me instead of phone company because I was the last person to be there that owned a pair of wire strippers Same thing. Or...at current job I don't travel while working, but did have 1 1/2 hour drive each way for meeting today. Yesterday boss reminds me just before leaving work , to remember to write down my milage for reimbursement. I say "OK", get in car and when I start it, the LCD display for odometer's PCB burns up! Seriously. 16 years and 220,000 miles, and not until the one second in all that time someone tells me to track odometer, it burns up!. Similar logic would then say it's her fault because she was last person to mention it Or anytime person brings a car to mechanic shop, anything else that breaks on it for the next year they think it was the shops fault, until next mechanic works on it, then cycle repeats. etc

[BALDY_MAN]

people always lie to you.

 

what happened, me. (them) just turned it on and nothing happened (true answer i had the side off to see how it works and tuched something and it went off)

on window o/s (them) I've got a virus. (me) have you been on any adult sites or downloaded things or opened unknown mail. (Them) OOO NO.

True answer YES . YES AND YES

i hope you all find this as funny as me i think it happened to most of us that mess with computers

[Alessandro17]

It is not on porno sites only that you find viruses. Also on illegal downloads pages, like game patches.

My Windows PC was used for some time by my young friend only . When I checked, it was absolutely invaded by malware. However cleaning an infected PC is not that difficult if you have the right tools.

[BALDY_MAN]

@Alessandro17 i thought my quote. or downloaded other things covered that.

[eep357]

Well I have Windows 8 install that has only ever been booted a few times and is only used to do firmware updates or run AIDA64 and then go right back to OSX. It at least got malware, making Chrome have fake phishing Adobe Flash update popup windows. Just connecting to internet and opening web browser seems to be enough Win 8 not winning me over!

[verdant]

Another reason for reduced activity is owning a now obsolete nVidia nForce Intel chipset MOBO; namely, my ASUS P5N32-E SLI Plus 650i chipset MOBO with Quad Core Q6600 CPU, that refuses to 'die'.........

 

It has just kept on working reliably from day one even after 6 years of continuous use!.......it has done and continues to do 100% what I ask of it and its 4 HDDs and 3 DVDRWs from OS X 10.5 through to 10.8.3, along with Windows Vista and 7, plus Linux..........preventing me from trying to justify buying a new Intel chipset MOBO and Intel Sandy Bridge CPU setup, let alone even thinking of an EVGA Classified SR2 MOBO or for a new MacPro ( periodically, I price up these systems with non-existent money hoping that they have dropped in price...... )

 

At this rate, how am I ever going to get an opportunity to follow the 'Intel hack way' before the Desktop PC has become a 'memory'.......? LOL

[Alessandro17]

Dear verdant, I have sold 4 perfectly working hackintoshes since 2006, simply because I wanted something more recent and powerful. The last one I sold was a beautiful Q9550 based PC, quite powerful. I regret doing that.

 

Of course I don't mean that everybody should do the same, and from now on I am going to spend less money on PCs

[TheSmartGuy]

I usually just lurk, but I felt like this was something worth addressing. I wouldn't say that InsanelyMac has become inactive, but let's be honest-- it's not as popular as it used to be. I doubt it's just "cyclical", too:

 

As you can see, the "old guard" of the Hackintoshing scene is probably sticking firm and keeping to InsanelyMac, but few new users to Hackintosh are joining this forum-- they're flocking to tony instead. Of course, it's difficult to be self-critical, especially in a forum section mainly populated by forum moderators and administrators. But I think some of the posts from the Hackintosh subreddit on Reddit explain these user's opinions reasonably well:

 

tonymac rustles the jimmies of certain hackers who want kudos for their contributions to os86 whilst keeping it out of the hands of "mundanes". although as far as i know he has never been asked by an author to remove, or refused to remove, code from #####

 

is he a Prometheus who has stolen fire from the gods and given it to humanity or, like Jobs himself, a character who saw the potential in other peoples small innovations and created an attractive package to make it consumable. either way i'm good with it.

 

Thanks to tonymac, I don't have to fight through cocky, pretentious twats with horrid English to learn new things and get a hackintosh up and running. It's free software aimed at broadening the usability and community, and for some reason, that scares the {censored} out of some people.

 

Then, of course, there are the people who always show up in these arguments that {censored} about tonymac 'stealing code' and 'taking credit for others work' and the like. I've never seen a single post claiming that all the work in tonymac's tools was proprietary. And guess what? Nobody cares. The whole reason that people use ##### and ##### is that it's EASY. Sure, other people paved the way, but there was no way I was going to build a hack unless all the various tools, kexts, and utilities were distilled down into one package so that I didn't have to hunt it all down. You don't like it? Good, go do it the hard way. Just do it somewhere else quietly.

 

I don't completely agree with these opinions (the prometheus analogy was kind of stupid, and I'm pretty sure tonymacx86 tools ARE proprietary), but these are the actual opinions of the thousands of people who flock to tonymacx86 or Lifehacker or Youtube instead of InsanelyMac. And as much as this forum would like to cater to people who actually know what they're doing, following that mindset will only ensure that InsanelyMac recruits fewer and fewer new users.

[fantomas]

just let them get banned and you will see that they will change their minds

 

[Alessandro17]

I don't completely agree with these opinions (the prometheus analogy was kind of stupid, and I'm pretty sure tonymacx86 tools ARE proprietary), but these are the actual opinions of the thousands of people who flock to tonymacx86 or Lifehacker or Youtube instead of InsanelyMac. And as much as this forum would like to cater to people who actually know what they're doing, following that mindset will only ensure that InsanelyMac recruits fewer and fewer new users.

 

In the last few years, quantity hasn't been as much of a concern for us as quality.

That is one of the reasons why we introduced quizzes (the other one being keeping spammers away).

Also, here genuine developers can find their "natural playground".

Our aim is not giving users free Macs, but helping them learn.

Nevertheless, I am pretty sure we are still doing quite well. Right now we are developing a set of tools, Pandora, which once out of Beta stages, should help users a lot to install OS X on their PCs.

Tonymac hides how many users are on-line at any given time, but once, not a very long time ago, it was available, and they were very few.

 

just let them get banned and you will see that they will change their minds

 

 

And also wait until tony's tools break their systems, which is bound to happen. And then nobody has a clue.

 

http://www.insanelym...e/#entry1908463

[TheSmartGuy]

I think that InsanelyMac would be taking a big step forward in retaining new users if we just removed some of the old stickies in the Tutorials section, since I'm pretty sure that's the section that most people go to first. Some of the first 13 stickies in the Tutorials section are actually pretty outdated. For example, this guide was retired by its poster a few years ago, so I don't see much reason to keep it stickied.

 

Same thing goes for this guide, and maybe this one as well. Technically, these guides still "work", but they're not really relevant to the vast majority of newcomers (who I assume are the main readers of the tutorials sections).Ideally, the stickies in the tutorial sections would cover just the very essentials: how to actually install Mountain Lion on your PC, common errors like the boot0 error, etc.

 

Here's a few more threads in other sections that should probably be unstickied, in my opinion:

http://www.insanelymac.com/forum/topic/20846-best-laptops-with-full-hardware-support-and-acceleration/ <- compatibility list that hasn't been updated in 3-4 years, no longer useful

http://www.insanelymac.com/forum/topic/34068-how-to-solutions-for-video-problems/ <- same as above

http://www.insanelymac.com/forum/topic/96758-two-graphics-cards/ <- no longer necessary due to new versions of Chameleon

http://www.insanelymac.com/forum/topic/274614-multiple-nvidia-card-installation-how-to-efi-strings/ <- same as above

http://www.insanelymac.com/forum/topic/266036-guide-edit-applegraphicspowermanagementkext-to-unleash-nvidias-gtx-570580-full-power-and-save-energy-at-the-same-time/ <- no longer necessary due to new drivers/support? (correct me if I'm wrong)

http://www.insanelymac.com/forum/topic/223244-how-to-cuda-mercury-engine-on-premiere-cs5-snow-leopard/ <- outdated compatibility list

 

This is just a few examples. In fact, a majority of the stickies in some sections (particularly the Hardware Component sections) are outdated. This isn't as big of a deal as extra stickies in the Tutorials section, since the Tutorials section is likely to attract more new users. However, keeping "legacy" guides stickied just makes InsanelyMac look outdated when new people check out this forum.

[Alessandro17]

Thanks for your feedback, TheSmartGuy, we find it very useful.

[TheSmartGuy]

It's great to see the forum taking some action to update the stickies. With that in mind, there are still a lot of old guides that should probably be unstickied. I'll try to list some of them here.

 

Graphics Section

http://www.insanelym...870-on-leopard/ <- Too old to be useful for most users. Though the guide technically still works, it probably shouldn't be stickied anymore.

http://www.insanelym...king-gma-x3100/ <- Old compatibility thread, same reason as above.

http://www.insanelym...cs-needed-here/ <- same reason as above

 

LAN and Wireless Section

http://www.insanelym...eless-problems/ <- mostly outdated fixes, and a lot of links in the thread are dead

http://www.insanelym...ernet-problems/ <- same as above

 

Besides these two threads, there are a LOT of other old threads stickied in the LAN and Wireless section; there seems to be at least one thread for every popular network solution that has ever been used in the history of the Hackintosh community. Personally, I think that the stickies are too much (most of the information in the threads would be better addressed in the OSX86 Project Wiki), but it's up to the admins of the forum to decide whether they want to keep those other threads.

 

Sound section

http://www.insanelym...56-cmedia-8738/ <- CMedia audio is not very relevant to most users anymore, so this probably shouldn't be kept as a sticky

http://www.insanelym...1052-and-above/ <- This guide seems to be outdated

http://www.insanelym...-audio-working/ <- Same as above. Also, some of the links in the thread are dead.

http://www.insanelym...-to-pin-config/ <- The threadstarter isn't updating this thread anymore.

 

SATA/IDE Controllers section

http://www.insanelym...d-p-ata-driver/ <- outdated driver thread

 

Other Peripheral Devices

http://www.insanelym...20-ehci-driver/ <- outdated driver thread

http://www.insanelym...ards-for-tiger/ <- outdated compatibility list (for Tiger, after all)

http://www.insanelym...ftware-release/ <- outdated driver thread

http://www.insanelym...y-is-shown-now/ <- also outdated (though I'm not totally sure about this one)

http://www.insanelym...-users-rejoice/ <- outdated driver thread

http://www.insanelym...ked-ps2-driver/ <- same as above

http://www.insanelym...uments-pcixx12/ <- same as above

 

In the case of "outdated driver threads", some of these drivers still work; however, they have either been superseded by newer (often pre-patched) versions, or are no longer common used. Either way, I think it would be confusing for new users to receive this kind of conflicting information.

 

As a side note, I think that we should try to limit the number of stickied threads that only apply to Mac OS X Tiger or Leopard, since this information usually can't be considered "mainstream" anymore. Nowadays, most of the people who are still running Leopard on their Hackintosh usually know what they're doing, and don't need to rely on stickies.

[Gringo Vermelho]

You should probably be a moderator here.

[fantomas]

cheater, you have expanded the list

 

[TH3L4UGH1NGM4N]

I must say, as a lurker with just 5 posts to your name as of writing this, you post some very insightful things which I do happen to find true as well in addition, a possible solution to it as well.