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Some software, you will only use once, or not very often at all.

If you're a designer, photographer, illustrator etc, then yes - you should probably support the industry you're in and pay the full asking price.
But if it's something like a tool you need for a small task, then using the trial version is adequate. However, when trials are restrictive, then that's when I go on the hunt for cracks or full versions to install.
However, I do try to always go OpenSource where possible.

I liked the comment earlier about pirating because you can't afford it - but I also feel pirating is also caused by things being over valued; such as Photoshop. Is it "really" worth $700??
And this then goes on for everything. Is an Album with 12 tracks but only 3 are any good really worth the asking price? Are any of Apple's devices "really" worth their asking price? If they were, would there be a purpose for Hackintosh's?

It becomes a war against greed.

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I liked the comment earlier about pirating because you can't afford it - but I also feel pirating is also caused by things being over valued; such as Photoshop. Is it "really" worth $700??
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It becomes a war against greed.


I totally agree with you that corporations such as Adobe are more concerned about profit than anything else. That said, the people who worked hard on the software itself might not be. Again, I don't think you can separate the two, beyond your own mind. Stealing from Adobe is stealing from John Smith who designed part of the software. Profits go down, his salary could potentially be diminished or his position could be "down-sized". This is not a call for companies to go hog-wild with their pricing and be allowed to be greedy, but from a philosophical and very practical point of view, you cannot separate a company from its employees in this situation. If you're going to flip Adobe the bird, you have to be morally okay with flipping it to the hard-working employees too.

Feel free to disagree with me (this is highly subjective), but I think photoshop is worth $700. Honestly if you're not creating professionally (i.e. where you get paid), then GIMP is more than enough. Even some pros use GIMP, and create amazing work. I designed a few posters last week and got paid $350, which is half of the value of photoshop in just over 15 hours of work...that makes it totally worth it in my mind...

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I don't think Photoshop is overpriced. Not at all. If you do photography for leaving, then it's the tool you depend on. It's an investment that will pay off quite soon (the more work you do, the sooner it will).

There are other software products for other industries (i.e. architecture, construction, engineering...) which are priced much more then Photoshop. It all depends on the scale of profits typical for the industry. If you earn more, you can (and in most cases you WILL) spend more. IMO the cost, in most cases, can be justified if you look in to it from different angles.

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What I would honestly like to hear, is a well reasoned argument for piracy. Not just the usual key phrases that are regurgitated, but a well thought-out explanation with supporting evidence. I'm not trying to be disrespectful, but price and availability are NOT valid defenses for the argument. They are reasons for people to download software, but not a defense as to the morality/legitimacy of such actions.

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And this then goes on for everything. Is an Album with 12 tracks but only 3 are any good really worth the asking price? Are any of Apple's devices "really" worth their asking price? If they were, would there be a purpose for Hackintosh's?

If an album only has 3 good songs. that's the beauty of digital distribution because you can buy just the 3 songs and not the entire album.

"Worth" is completely subjective. WhatTheTech and 3.14r2 (and many others) believe that Photoshop is worth the $700, many do not as well and thus go beyond the bounds of the law (in most countries) to obtain it. But for professionals, they are willing to spend the money on it, because they need it. For the casual user, I don't know that I'd recommend getting Photoshop because of the price (unless, of course, you're a college student; my sis got Photoshop CS5 from Arizona State for $80), and that's why we have GIMP. Another program: Finale, music notation software. It costs $600 (w/o discount). But it not only allows you to create sheet music, but contains many Garritan instruments (very realistic instruments that are very expensive standalone), and allows you to record audio straight in, among a plethora of other features, and many people love it. I know we do, we have the full version of Finale because we write a lot of music (but it's only $350 with education discount, so that helped). But this argument has already been rehashed so I'll move on...

For me, I believe that all of Apple's devices are worth their asking price (with the exception of the Mac Pro, as of 3/29/13). I have many reasons, but even though you might be able to get a similarly spec'ed PC for $100-$500 cheaper than the equivalent Mac, there are a lot of things about Macs that make them unique; in Apple notebooks, battery life has always been superior (even pre-Unibody machines had good batteries, for the most part, and the Unibodies are unbeatable), and the build of Macs is very sturdy yet utterly beautiful, with everything custom designed and well thought out. And no, the value of Apple's computers has nothing to do whatsoever with the existence of hackintoshing. I and many others hackintosh for the fun of it/educational purposes. My hackintoshing started with repairing a friend's iMac, and then he gave me his old PC. Since my family is a bunch of Mac-heads, we didn't have Windows lying around, and so I thought "What the heck, let's see if this actually works," and I hoped it did because I really needed an Intel Mac instead of the G3 I was using. :P And it did work. And I've learned so much. But I would buy an Apple computer any day, hands down.

But I digress. :)

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Going back to the original question:

Is it ethical to steal from an (alleged) thief? What about Microsoft? Why is it that so few people buy copies of Windows? Is it a problem with the user or the product?


Answering for myself, someone else's unethical actions have no consequence on the ethicality of my own actions. Whether it's a problem with the user or the product is immaterial - there are free alternative operating systems, so there is no legitimate excuse.

Others claim that software piracy is just like any other forms of stealing - it's theft. Those who shoplift are the same as those who take from the latest Serial Box. Is stealing 1's and 0's the same as stealing a physical product?

If any one of time, effort or money went in to making those 1's and 0's into a product, then yes. I see no difference.

Some don't even think about it any more. For them, piracy is the only way to get software.

Even more so today. Someone really needs to make an infographic on acquiring software, but:

1) Can I afford it? If yes, purchase, if no, move to step two.
2) Is there an open-source alternative? Is yes, download it, if no, move to step three.
3) Can I live without it? If yes, stop here, if no, move to step four.
4) Is there another way to get it? Share cost with friend? If yes, do so, if no, move to step five.
5) You cannot have the software at this time.

I know, I know - this goes against everything that our "want it now get it now" generation is used to, but it's my honest feelings and what I do in regards to software. I went half in with a friend to get the Adobe Suite and made some big sacrifices to have Aperture...it wasn't easy, but totally worth it!


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Well, technically I didn't purchase my Adobe Suite either because our school has it available for free. But I could understand why someone who isn't in school probably couldn't afford to spend the kind of money Adobe is asking for...





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