My Review!

[Masna]

Hello everyone. I just installed Leopard on my 2GHz Intel-based iMac, and I thought I'd share my *cough* impressions.

 

To start off, I'd like to say, the entire system is unstable. Most of the time, whether I'm launching an application, or opening a file, I'm just praying that the program won't "unexpectedly" crash. So far, I've had no luck with iChat. It just won't open. At first, Adium wouldn't open either, but once I upgraded to the latest beta, it would (?).

 

I can see, that in Safari, Apple has made some changes I've been waiting for. Scrolling up/down large pages with lots of content isn't nearly as lagged as it used to be. As well, Apple is trying to incorporate more CSS styling capabilities (like form submit buttons and drop downs). As far as Webclip... It's a cool feature... for about 5 minutes... I doubt anyone will really use it, but who knows, maybe I'm just naive...

 

Spaces is awesome! Virtual desktops is just an amazing useful feature, I can't get enough of it. Unfortunately, for me, it's hard to keep up with, so most of the time, I'll probably only use one desktop. But if things start to get really cluttered, I know where to turn! "All I need is Spaces."

 

Unfortunately, as far as the system goes, everything (generally) seems slower, and lags. The finder opens a bit more slowly, effects are often dismantled (which really gets to me), and it just doesn't have that stable feel that we all know and love while using Tiger.

 

So, overall, I think Leopard has some great! potential, but for now, Apple really needs to buckle down, and get to work. Because, right now, this thing is no where near ready for release. (Vista 2.0 says it all...)

 

So far, that's basically all I've checked, but I'll try to offer some more updates as I browse the new OS. I hope this helped you all!

[Masna]

Anyone enjoy?

[topshot]

I enjoyed this review. It also matches most of my opinions with this release. Am playing around to see if those pages problem can be delt with. Juat noticed that my spell checker in safari 3 isn't active!  

[Masna]

I enjoyed this review. It also matches most of my opinions with this release. Am playing around to see if those pages problem can be delt with. Juat noticed that my spell checker in safari 3 isn't active!  

 

Right click in a form window, Spelling --> Check spelling while you write.

[topshot]

I knew that, I was just noting that I didn't have it enabled. Actually now that I think about it, since I migrated all of my settings, it should have been enabled anyway. hmmm.

[Masna]

I knew that, I was just noting that I didn't have it enabled. Actually now that I think about it, since I migrated all of my settings, it should have been enabled anyway. hmmm.

 

I was thinking the same thing, and I had the same issue.

[Kazuran]

Hello everyone. I just installed Leopard on my 2GHz Intel-based iMac, and I thought I'd share my *cough* impressions.

 

To start off, I'd like to say, this is very unlike Apple. The entire system is unstable. Most of the time, whether I'm launching an application, or opening a file, I'm just praying that the program won't "unexpectedly" crash. So far, I've had no luck with iChat. It just won't open. At first, Adium wouldn't open either, but once I upgraded to the latest beta, it would (?).

 

 

Unfortunately, as far as the system goes, everything (generally) seems slower, and lags. The finder opens a bit more slowly, effects are often dismantled (which really gets to me), and it just doesn't have that stable feel that we all know and love while using Tiger.

 

So, overall, I think Leopard has some great! potential, but for now, Apple really needs to buckle down, and get to work. Because, right now, this thing is no where near ready for release. (Vista 2.0 says it all...)

 

So far, that's basically all I've checked, but I'll try to offer some more updates as I browse the new OS. I hope this helped you all!

 

Oh my god. Have you even read anything regarding this release? You are calling this unlike Apple. You are obviously not a developer, as all this release really features is many API's and new frameworks for developers to work with and prepare for Leopard. It's a preview, for Developers. Performance is not of interest, the features aren't even called 'béta' because they are in a pre-testing stage. Nothing is finished, the OS is due in 8 months. Spring 2007.

 

This DVD isn't meant to be run as, say, a Tiger replacement to watch video's and IM. It's to compare, compile, code, execute, and test. Test, mostly. I think your 'review' is pointless as you are seeing this Developer Preview build of Leopard as a fully fledged OS, or a post-béta product. Please remember, you have obtained this by a not-so-legal method - and this is really not what Apple intended to be used like this.

 

Please don't regard this comment as a flame, I just want to show you that the perspective you have on this DVD is wholly wrong.

[Masna]

Oh my god. Have you even read anything regarding this release? You are calling this unlike Apple. You are obviously not a developer, as all this release really features is many API's and new frameworks for developers to work with and prepare for Leopard. It's a preview, for Developers. Performance is not of interest, the features aren't even called 'béta' because they are in a pre-testing stage. Nothing is finished, the OS is due in 8 months. Spring 2007.

 

This DVD isn't meant to be run as, say, a Tiger replacement to watch video's and IM. It's to compare, compile, code, execute, and test. Test, mostly. I think your 'review' is pointless as you are seeing this Developer Preview build of Leopard as a fully fledged OS, or a post-béta product. Please remember, you have obtained this by a not-so-legal method - and this is really not what Apple intended to be used like this.

 

Please don't regard this comment as a flame, I just want to show you that the perspective you have on this DVD is wholly wrong.

 

Understandable... Just thought I'd offer some in site for those who plan to install.

[stryder]

Oh my god. Have you even read anything regarding this release? You are calling this unlike Apple. You are obviously not a developer, as all this release really features is many API's and new frameworks for developers to work with and prepare for Leopard. It's a preview, for Developers. Performance is not of interest, the features aren't even called 'béta' because they are in a pre-testing stage. Nothing is finished, the OS is due in 8 months. Spring 2007.

 

This DVD isn't meant to be run as, say, a Tiger replacement to watch video's and IM. It's to compare, compile, code, execute, and test. Test, mostly. I think your 'review' is pointless as you are seeing this Developer Preview build of Leopard as a fully fledged OS, or a post-béta product. Please remember, you have obtained this by a not-so-legal method - and this is really not what Apple intended to be used like this.

 

Please don't regard this comment as a flame, I just want to show you that the perspective you have on this DVD is wholly wrong.

 

He was sharing his impressions, he's free to do that.

 

Secondly, how do you know he got it illegally? Have you ever been an Apple Developer? I have (and maybe I still am! ;-) ).

 

Just because someone is running something that is only available to Apple Developers doesn't mean they aren't.

 

Geeze, take a flame pill.

 

Oh, and don't regard my comment as a flame, I just want to show you that the perspective you have of the world is wholly wrong.

[mikeutter]

He was sharing his impressions, he's free to do that.

 

Of course, just like the person you replied while s/he was exercising his/her freedom.

 

Secondly, how do you know he got it illegally? Have you ever been an Apple Developer? I have (and maybe I still am! ;-) ).

 

May be because the original poster took it upon himself/herself to write a review here, as opposed to honouring an NDA and documenting bugs to Apple. Have you thought of that? I see your point. But science couldn't have been what it is now if we didn't make clever assumptions.

 

Oh, and what brings you here, if you are an Apple Developer? Sorry, you were coding CGIs. Mea culpa.

 

Just because someone is running something that is only available to Apple Developers doesn't mean they aren't.

 

This statement is wrong in so many levels. Being a developer and having access to developers-only code are different things, as you might agree. Again, please read the comment above.

 

Geeze, take a flame pill.

 

S/he put it as a disclaimer that s/he wasn't intending to flame. And I always respect those fine prints. May be you should too?

 

Oh, and don't regard my comment as a flame, I just want to show you that the perspective you have of the world is wholly wrong.

 

Says...who? I don't think it was wrong. I don't think the original poster's review was wrong, either. There's nothing wrong, except for turning up the "i know better than you, your view is wrong, ya da ya da" volume.

 

Now, with all due respect...where was that "flame pill" you were refering to? After meals, please, with a glass of milk. Thank you.

[brewno]

Anyone enjoy?

 

Yes, I enjoyed it very much. I'm glad I didn't waste my time and bandwidth downloading it; I knew it'd be like when I downloaded Vista: only headaches, crashes, etc.

From watching Apple's keynote, you can see it'll be a great OS; and like everybody in here, I'm waiting for it impaciently.

Thanks for the review.

[VK Sefirosu]

Well, I have it installed on my old G4 1.42ghz Mini, I agree with your review and that's about what I expected from it.

 

Spaces is nice, TimeMachine (the shiny CoreAnimation interface) is totally unusable on the Mini (but I expected that) however this will be awesome to use where I work since our backup system doesn't support Macs (but almost every obscure Unix out there, go figure) that will be much better than the current CRON script with ditto, especially when the users need to restore things they will be able to do it themselves... and anyway they need to upgrade (still using panther on dual G4/G5).

 

It's "alpha" quality for now, but still it is more stable than the last Vista beta I tried... <rant>at least it INSTALLS without crashing !... </rant>

 

 

Just my two cents

[hackand]

[…] the entire system is unstable. Most of the time, whether I'm launching an application, or opening a file, I'm just praying that the program won't "unexpectedly" crash. So far, I've had no luck with iChat. It just won't open. At first, Adium wouldn't open either, but once I upgraded to the latest beta, it would (?).

 

To me, it's pretty stable. I haven't had all those issues with iChat or Adium, and the only thing that has crashed on my face like 8 times is Spaces' Desktop Exposé (try triggering it with the Mighty Mouse side buttons twice). When that happens, you can just make Spotlight launch Terminal (it's been a great launcher so far) and type "killall Dock". Boom. Dock (and Spaces) restarts, keeping your windows where they were.

 

Spaces is awesome! Virtual desktops is just an amazing useful feature, I can't get enough of it. Unfortunately, for me, it's hard to keep up with, so most of the time, I'll probably only use one desktop. But if things start to get really cluttered, I know where to turn! "All I need is Spaces."

 

Agree. Spaces really is awesome. Much faster and easier to use than Virtue. I really don't want to go back to Tiger, only for Spaces.

 

Unfortunately, as far as the system goes, everything (generally) seems slower, and lags. The finder opens a bit more slowly, effects are often dismantled (which really gets to me), and it just doesn't have that stable feel that we all know and love while using Tiger.

 

Actually, on my Mac (iMac Core Duo 17"), it feels quite fast, even faster than Tiger, although it could be the clean install, but still, Dashboard is faster than ever, Dock relaunches faster than ever, Safari is faster than ever, Finder too, and so on. I guess results may vary through different machines.

 

Yeah, there are parts where it does feel unfinished, but it's a Dev Preview, it's not s'posed to be used as a primary OS, only for testing apps and new frameworks, so looks and speed don't matter that much right now (still it's pretty fast).

[Colonel]

I wrote a review too, but it wasn't allowed to be published....

[gikku]

For my G4 PowerBook 10.5 has been quite stable for the Apple apps, with the exception of the new Spaces. Safari, Mail, iChat all good. As one would expect it's the third party apps, plug-ins that are crashing, various widgets and utilities. Perhaps it's the intel code that needs further work ?

 

I agree it seems faster, particularly networking and establishing a connection.

[Adrian Fogge]

If it just came down to which was faster for the standard OS apps, then Leopard would win hands down.

 

However in doing so it has broken major compatability with a ton of stuff, including Apple's own iWork.

 

When you can not create a new document at first in Keynote unless you open something first, or you can not scroll down to page 2 in a Pages document, then there are serious problems.

 

Hopefully those can get resolved in a Developer Seed Upgrade, however if not then there will be some serious problems round about shipping time as they would have broken more apps than when they switched from OS 9 to OS X.

[iAqua]

Am I the only one that doesn't have so many problems with Leopard?

 

iWork '06 doesn't work well, but everything else is fine for me. A few bugs with iTunes and Safari, but everything else is okay.

 

I'm satisfied.

[p03]

I enjoyed your review. I had no stability or speed issues, running it on an external HD from a G5 iMac.

It actually feels much faster than Tiger.

 

Any developers or hobbyists out there who have tried Xcode Tools? Willing to discuss?

I've found the new IB very exciting. You can add toolbars graphically. You can add Quartz Composer to any window. Etc. It's a completely new app. And Xcode has some wild new features I'd love to learn about. However, there is NO documentation whatsoever available. Maybe Apple wanted to make sure you could only use the new toys if you actually attended WWDC?

[iDarbert]

Hello everyone. I just installed Leopard on my 2GHz Intel-based iMac, and I thought I'd share my *cough* impressions.

I'll share my experiences whit an iMac too... but a G5 (1,8Ghz one).

 

To start off, I'd like to say, the entire system is unstable. Most of the time, whether I'm launching an application, or opening a file, I'm just praying that the program won't "unexpectedly" crash. So far, I've had no luck with iChat. It just won't open. At first, Adium wouldn't open either, but once I upgraded to the latest beta, it would (?).

That's a shame to hear, my system here works fine most of the time... iChat works great and only crashes when I try to share a Quicktime movie (perhaps the other party needs to be using Leopard too?), Adium Beta runs great (didn't test 0.89 since I use the beta anyway) and the only unexpected quits I had were with EyeTV, when trying to use the program guide.

 

Of course I DO have issues, aMule doesn't seem to connect to any server, Time machine animations are horribly slow and other small issues I cant' remember right now.

 

I can see, that in Safari, Apple has made some changes I've been waiting for. Scrolling up/down large pages with lots of content isn't nearly as lagged as it used to be. As well, Apple is trying to incorporate more CSS styling capabilities (like form submit buttons and drop downs). As far as Webclip... It's a cool feature... for about 5 minutes... I doubt anyone will really use it, but who knows, maybe I'm just naive...

I'm not impressed by Safari's under the hood changes because I already used the latest WebKit SVNs under Tiger, but I do love the new search system and I'm already in love with WebClips... I have one with my deviantART bar so I can check out how many messages I have without having to visit the page every time.

 

Spaces is awesome! Virtual desktops is just an amazing useful feature, I can't get enough of it. Unfortunately, for me, it's hard to keep up with, so most of the time, I'll probably only use one desktop. But if things start to get really cluttered, I know where to turn! "All I need is Spaces."

I'm not used to Virtual Desktops, but I like the way Apple did that.

 

Unfortunately, as far as the system goes, everything (generally) seems slower, and lags. The finder opens a bit more slowly, effects are often dismantled (which really gets to me), and it just doesn't have that stable feel that we all know and love while using Tiger.

That's mostly true, of course this is Pre-release software... and it's even an older build than the one demoed at WWDC (notice how Time Machine looks a bit different - the black bar at the bottom is not translucent - at least on my machine, also it lacks of the Restore All button).

 

So, overall, I think Leopard has some great! potential, but for now, Apple really needs to buckle down, and get to work. Because, right now, this thing is no where near ready for release. (Vista 2.0 says it all...)

Of course it's not

 

So far, that's basically all I've checked, but I'll try to offer some more updates as I browse the new OS. I hope this helped you all!

It surely did, since I could compare my experience with yours

 

Any developers or hobbyists out there who have tried Xcode Tools? Willing to discuss?

I've found the new IB very exciting. You can add toolbars graphically. You can add Quartz Composer to any window. Etc. It's a completely new app. And Xcode has some wild new features I'd love to learn about. However, there is NO documentation whatsoever available. Maybe Apple wanted to make sure you could only use the new toys if you actually attended WWDC?

I am a hobbyst developer and I tried out XCode.

The new IB it's great! But I noticed that you can't add pictures to the nib as you would in Tiger's IB. The Quartz Composer is not new; was priorly available as an Extra Palette.

 

I love the new stuff they included expecially the predicates template. I can't wait to dig my hands in it.

Oh, and making toolbars graphically... that was about time!

 

Documentation for XCode has always been non-existant in early builds AFAIK, but all the new APIs should be accessible (I didn't check the documentation yet so I'm not completely sure).

[p03]

I am a hobbyst developer and I tried out XCode.

The new IB it's great! But I noticed that you can't add pictures to the nib as you would in Tiger's IB. The Quartz Composer is not new; was priorly available as an Extra Palette.

 

I love the new stuff they included expecially the predicates template. I can't wait to dig my hands in it.

Oh, and making toolbars graphically... that was about time!

 

Documentation for XCode has always been non-existant in early builds AFAIK, but all the new APIs should be accessible (I didn't check the documentation yet so I'm not completely sure).

 

What's the predicates template? Didn't get that far.

At my level, unfortunately, API references mean a steep learning curve, as opposed to, say, pre-digested tutorials

 

Guess I gotta wait for those from Apple or Cocoa sites when Leopard is out.

[iDarbert]

What's the predicates template? Didn't get that far.

At my level, unfortunately, API references mean a steep learning curve, as opposed to, say, pre-digested tutorials

 

Guess I gotta wait for those from Apple or Cocoa sites when Leopard is out.

I didn't manage to get that to work yet, but it let's you add predicate bars like the ones that appear when you refine a Finder search.

[p03]

I didn't manage to get that to work yet, but it let's you add predicate bars like the ones that appear when you refine a Finder search.

 

Oh, that thing! I've seen it, just forgot its name. I'm typing all this from my Windows box at work...

It looks very promising. It'll probably be a great tool for building a UI for advanced searches. I guess it will require code to work, at least some class with declared propertiesm to make any sense...

[iDarbert]

Oh, that thing! I've seen it, just forgot its name. I'm typing all this from my Windows box at work...

It looks very promising. It'll probably be a great tool for building a UI for advanced searches. I guess it will require code to work, at least some class with declared propertiesm to make any sense...

I was hoping bindings could do the whole job, but I guess that's the case.

[semeyaza]

I find it pretty stable for a developer preview.. almost as usable as Tiger for the common user.

 

But has anyone tried to reinstall Tiger after trying Leopard? Any problems? is there a particular way to remove Leopard since it's not a "full-fledged" Os?

 

Thanks

[Virtualball]

Hello everyone. I just installed Leopard on my 2GHz Intel-based iMac, and I thought I'd share my *cough* impressions.

 

To start off, I'd like to say, the entire system is unstable. Most of the time, whether I'm launching an application, or opening a file, I'm just praying that the program won't "unexpectedly" crash. So far, I've had no luck with iChat. It just won't open. At first, Adium wouldn't open either, but once I upgraded to the latest beta, it would (?).

 

I can see, that in Safari, Apple has made some changes I've been waiting for. Scrolling up/down large pages with lots of content isn't nearly as lagged as it used to be. As well, Apple is trying to incorporate more CSS styling capabilities (like form submit buttons and drop downs). As far as Webclip... It's a cool feature... for about 5 minutes... I doubt anyone will really use it, but who knows, maybe I'm just naive...

 

Spaces is awesome! Virtual desktops is just an amazing useful feature, I can't get enough of it. Unfortunately, for me, it's hard to keep up with, so most of the time, I'll probably only use one desktop. But if things start to get really cluttered, I know where to turn! "All I need is Spaces."

 

Unfortunately, as far as the system goes, everything (generally) seems slower, and lags. The finder opens a bit more slowly, effects are often dismantled (which really gets to me), and it just doesn't have that stable feel that we all know and love while using Tiger.

 

So, overall, I think Leopard has some great! potential, but for now, Apple really needs to buckle down, and get to work. Because, right now, this thing is no where near ready for release. (Vista 2.0 says it all...)

 

So far, that's basically all I've checked, but I'll try to offer some more updates as I browse the new OS. I hope this helped you all!

 

I love how people think that betas...no wait, not only a beta, but an OS for developers ONLY, should be reviewed and should have impressions off of it. All it is supposed to have in new SDK. Photo Booth/iChat/Spaces is for the end user watching the keynote so they would go "WOW!" Its nothing more then that. But I found it stable lol