miguelcerca Posted August 8, 2006 Share Posted August 8, 2006 now they have set themselves up as direct competition for Microsoft, said their PCs are cheaper than Dell etc. i just went to the dell website. the "comparable" dell machine aslo comes with 2GB ram, a 20" widescreen lcd monitor and a 650GB hd, a huge amount of savings. i do not condone buying dell, as i have had {censored} dell machines in the past, but to say that a mac is cheaper is just lying. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
capran Posted August 8, 2006 Share Posted August 8, 2006 i just went to the dell website. the "comparable" dell machine aslo comes with 2GB ram, a 20" widescreen lcd monitor and a 650GB hd, a huge amount of savings.i do not condone buying dell, as i have had {censored} dell machines in the past, but to say that a mac is cheaper is just lying. Make sure you are selecting the newer 51xx Xeons, and not the 50xx ones. The 51xx are the Woodcrest models which are used in the MacPro, and they cost more than the older ones but are more powerful and more efficient. Also make sure to select TWO processors (click the drop down for Second Processor). When I configured a Mac Pro and Dell Precision 690 as closely as possible (need to find the link that lets you build system without monitor and use Woodcrests, dealmac has it), using the lower end 2.0 GHz (since that's good enough for me), I came out with about $2500 for the Mac and almost $3000 for the Dell. But if want the same warranty (Apple default is 1 year, Dell 3) you need to add $250 to the Mac, but it's still $250 less. Then again, Dell has coupon codes and deals that will lower the price significantly. But, then again...I wouldn't buy a Dell either. Plus it won't ever run OS X legitimately and without hacking. I just wish they came out with a low end Mac Pro that used Conroe/Core 2 Duo instead of Xeon. That way they could easily shave off at least $1000!! That would place it in the same range as iMacs, which while definitely beautiful machines, just aren't gaming boxes, which for me is the reason for wanting a Mac that can boot Windows. Oh well. I suppose I could save money and stick with what I have now, crossing fingers that good 100% functional video drivers come out sometime for my hackintosh. If not, I suppose it wouldn't kill me to buy a new intel Mini to replace my G4 one, and keep my PC for games. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Takuro Posted August 8, 2006 Share Posted August 8, 2006 This is great news! Now that we have the opensource kernel, we can do the following with relative ease: 1 - Remove power management instructions that are specific to only Core Duo processors. Monitor sleep and hard drive sleep will finally work again, as well as all other power management. 2 - Optimize the kernel to work with not only SSE3 Intel CPUs, but also with SSE2 AMD and Intel CPUs. This has been done in the past, but with the open kernel, it can be done a lot cleaner. This means that if an SSE3 machine uses a kernel with patches for SSE2, it will probably no longer misdetect the CPU in System Profiler. 3 - Remove the NX requirement easier than before I sincerely doubt that anybody is going to take requests and build kernels optimized for one specific CPU. That would take an extremely long time. Instead, it can easily be optimized for x86 CPUs in general that aren't necessarily Core-Duos. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bofors Posted August 8, 2006 Author Share Posted August 8, 2006 How are we supposed to interpret this move by Apple? I mean, unless Apple mistakenly thinks we have a problem decrypting their binaries, it seems like they are saying: "10.4.7 is yours for the taking". Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tush Posted August 8, 2006 Share Posted August 8, 2006 Yes, this is a present of us for the hard work that we have done in the last year, to get running OSX on PC's It would be kind of them.But we will see. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Conroe Mac Posted August 8, 2006 Share Posted August 8, 2006 I think Apple realizes that even bad attention is still attention. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
U.C. Posted August 8, 2006 Share Posted August 8, 2006 So how long till we see Maxxuss on the scene??? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
guiyoforward Posted August 8, 2006 Share Posted August 8, 2006 Does this mean they have also released source for driver kext? It would be great to tinker with the intel integrated graphics driver source code. sorry if this is a really dumb question Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Proteo Posted August 8, 2006 Share Posted August 8, 2006 Forgive me, but I'm not that confident yet. Steve giving us a prize for stealing his baby? It look suspicious to me, too good to be true. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
quixos Posted August 8, 2006 Share Posted August 8, 2006 hacking OS X is profitable viral advertising. they think they will stay far enough ahead of hackers in future generations of the OS, that it's not going to affect their sales except positively . it's probably as simple as that. let's enjoy our status as unpaid sales representatives of Apple Corp. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
xiberia Posted August 8, 2006 Share Posted August 8, 2006 yeah, 10.4.7 is yours for the taking. lets get thousands of people running it. let them invest in OSX software. Let them "switch". Then when we release Leopard, and they can't crack it, they'll have to buy our hardware too. No going back to Windows. Kerching! mmmm.... Mac Pro.... consider me a switcher! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
enb14 Posted August 8, 2006 Share Posted August 8, 2006 Hey guys haven't you noticed new Mac Pros comes with 64 bit OS Kernel read this which also includes some kexts with new power management. http://kernel.macosforge.org/intel-build-instructions.html Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bofors Posted August 8, 2006 Author Share Posted August 8, 2006 So, the Mac Pro's are running 10.4.7. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
myzar Posted August 8, 2006 Share Posted August 8, 2006 So, the Mac Pro's are running 10.4.7. but there isn't any nvidia kext in 10.4.7 more likely 10.4.8 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Careless Posted August 8, 2006 Share Posted August 8, 2006 but there isn't any nvidia kext in 10.4.7 more likely 10.4.8 but what if the first mac pros that ship have .7 and have Nvidia cards in them. can i get happy? or should i wait Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
xiberia Posted August 8, 2006 Share Posted August 8, 2006 nah, the MPs will have all the software to run all the hardware... erm.. yeah. which means we should see 10.4.8 on the updater soon... got to keep the software line synced. o/t good stuff appearing on ADC, like Java 6 preview and an Apple EFI developers kit. They're really moving with this now. Waiting for Xcode 2.4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BuXb Posted August 8, 2006 Share Posted August 8, 2006 Xiberia, are you working at Apple? You may give an honest answer (nothing to lose or to hide) .. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
enb14 Posted August 8, 2006 Share Posted August 8, 2006 I don't think so probably she has an WDC account, you can have yours for free too, I have mine and I saw EFI tools, but XCode is not there yet Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BuXb Posted August 8, 2006 Share Posted August 8, 2006 I have an WDC account, too. Someone @ Apple might most likely post the link in the next couple of weeks, I guess .. (go figure I'm an optimist .. ) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tiburon Posted August 8, 2006 Share Posted August 8, 2006 I've gotten this far: cc -static -D__ASSEMBLER__ -force_cpusubtype_ALL -arch i386 -Di386 -DI386 -D__I386__ -DPAGE_SIZE_FIXED -DAPPLE -DNeXT -DKERNEL -DKERNEL_PRIVATE -DXNU_KERNEL_PRIVATE -DPRIVATE -D__MACHO__=1 -Dvolatile=__volatile -DMACH -DMACH_KERNEL -DMACH_LOAD -DPC_SUPPORT -DUXPR -DEVENT -DMACH_BSD -DIOKIT -DMACH_PE -DPAE -DX86_64 -DAT386=1 -c idt.s; /bin/rm -f idt.pp idt.s idt.s:450:bad register name ('%dr7') =/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fingerr Posted August 8, 2006 Share Posted August 8, 2006 NeoPheus, both links ("Download XCode 2.4" and the link "Xcode 2.4 (DMG)" under "Tools Download") lead to https://connect.apple.com, and that is NOT updated yet - go try it yourself . . . . OK, 2.4 ready to download, i'm downloading it now Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BuXb Posted August 8, 2006 Share Posted August 8, 2006 cool, I knew it wouldn't take them long. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jrsdead Posted August 8, 2006 Share Posted August 8, 2006 Xcode 2.4 is available at ADC now jrsdead Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ppcfreak Posted August 8, 2006 Share Posted August 8, 2006 So. Will anyone crack MacOSX 10.4 Server for Intel? You can now choose it when conriguring your MacPro. That'd be tight... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tiburon Posted August 9, 2006 Share Posted August 9, 2006 Got it to compile yay. andrews-computer:~ andrew$ uname -a Darwin andrews-computer.local 8.7.2 Darwin Kernel Version 8.7.2: Tue Aug 8 21:20:32 CDT 2006; andrew:xnu-792.10.96/BUILD/obj/RELEASE_I386 i386 i386 Appears YukonOSX doesn't like it Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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