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Wow.

Now Steve J is speaking about copies from Redmond.

Well, I can remember for example of Media Center. Did Apple invented the mediacenter too? What the hell is frontrow?

Who was the first of the big guys to talk about Search as the new hot thing? About indexing the metadata? Well, guess what, it was Bill G in 2001.

Who invented the Dashboard? Oh! It was named konfabulator, right?!

So, of course OS X is a great OS, but this kind of "copy issues" make me really sick. Now Apple even invented RSS in the browser?! Lol.

Guess what, Apple copied the kernel from BSD! Yeah apple, you were not capable of doing a kernel by yourself. Now who is "copying" who?

Why the Hell can't apple just advertise their product and the potentials of it? Do they need to bash competition (even when they are not right) to sell?

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I'm not having a bad day.

But it makes me sick that Steve J comes and say Redmond copies everything and then present us with features like "time machine" (or should I say Vista Volume Shadow Copy, now shipping on Win2003) and Spaces (or should I say Linux Virtual Desktops), Notes on emails (lol, Outlook anyone), and that Dashboard thingy (active desktop). Also for frontrow (Windows MCE) and Desktop Search (Bill Gates was the first to talk about this, back in 2001). Not to mention dashboard (konfabulator MAJOR rip off).

Wtf was he thinking of? I think it was a sad moment, on a very sad and dull keynote. Apple had nothing to show us, so they start bashing Microsoft even if some of the new functions were copies of Vista/others ones.

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ok, Apple's backup idea is similar to what Microsoft came up with....it's just that Apple's solution is much more elegant and user friendly (much cooler as well). On the other hand, I doubt anyone using Vista would even notice that the backup feature is there. As far as virtual desktop...Apple probably put it in because of the customer demand. Once again, Apple's implementation is simple to use and user friendly. Shouldn't you blame the users for suggesting such a feature to Apple?

 

instant search...Apple implemented it first (while Microsoft was stumbling around with WinFS). After Microsoft saw what Apple did with Tiger, they put in almost the identical feature into Vista down to the search box on the upper right hand side of every window. Who's copying who?

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When Microsoft has a the same feature as Mac, they copy.

When Mac has the same feature as the other OS, they do not copy. They are more friendly bla bla bla. Guess what, functionality is the same.

Microsoft "copied" functions are not also the same. They do some things differently, so, I can think they are more user friendly. They are not copying. I'm just following your logic.

I'm not a Microsoft fanboy, and I like Linux allot, and I use MacOSX too. It's just that it makes me sick that Steve starts the "photocopiers" matter on the same show he introduces alot of "copied/same/more user friendly but with the same functionality" functions on their OS. Everyone "copies" from each other. If you see a great feature, why not ship it on a different OS that does different things and is used by different users? Apple does this too, but they flame other if they do the same thing. Ah Ah!

 

One more time: dont confuse "time-to-market" with "feature innovation". Desktop Search was even implemented first by Google, and I am almost sure that MSN Desktop Search was shipped earlier too. Guess what? MSN Desktop Search and google used the same technology as Spotlight. So much innovation, wow.

BTW, that core animation thingy is just like former Avalon, now WPF. Just the same thing implemented with the same concepts. And guess what, Avalon was introduced a long long time ago.

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I do agree with rjtd in a sense - it was funny last year but the whole photocopiers jokes etc are getting a bit old. to be honest apple should be concentrating on marketing their product not bashing another one. Users don't buy based on who invented the system first - if history shows us anything it shows us that - they buy whoever has the best implementation.

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Instant search w/ metadata: BeOS (which is why Apple hired some of the guys responsible for the Be Filesystem)

 

Virtual desktops: These have been a standard feature of Unix desktops since before Linux even existed. Hell, even Windows XP had then in the form of a Powertoy. That said, many of us have been demanding them for years, and this implementation is classically Apple in how it works.

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i've got a better idea for apple, stop making things look pretty & fix the things you havn't done properly like Access Control Lists, User home directory mapping (oh wait I went to network & now I can see AND ACCESS everyones home directory thats in my group!), LDAPv3, Kerberos (I've never had so many problems setting up kerberos in all my life!). When Apple wake up & realise that yea their computers can now run windows but OH WAIT! they don't correctly intergrate with Active Directory on a windows domain! then they might be onto something.

 

Untill such time as they make administrating & implementation of a multi user network easier Apple are styill in the dark ages for me. Yea it looks pretty but it doesn't work does it! Form over function!

 

Mac KILLED my inner child, thanks Steve!

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Interesting thread!

 

I think that there are few original ideas in any field - many more that take an idea and run with it or take it to the next level. Major corporations have done that for years in automobiles, fashion and just business in general.

 

The first GUI I ever saw was on a computer from Corvus called the Concept. We had one at work and used a 68000 processor like the original macs. The desktop looked like the original Mac GUI but was in production when the IIe was state of the art for Apple. It had networking and even a monitor that could even change from landscape to portrait mode all back in 1982. Two years before Apples first GUI.

 

Corvus went out of the pc market and 6mo-1yr later the first Macs with a extremely similar GUI came on the scene. I've always wondered if Apple bought them out or Corvus people were involved in some way. Either way I'd bet some of those people were the same that worked on the Macs first GUI.

 

All these ideas came from trying to copy the Xerox Star that had a GUI or at least inspired them.

 

Taking an idea and running with it or taking it to the next level but with marketing/spin many people credit Apple for having the first GUI.

 

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Ok, i try installing. When it gets to the select volume screen, it says i cant install it on my drive because it can only update 10.4.7...and i have 10.4.7 installed. Why is this happening?

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Erm... Wrong thread?

 

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