Jazmodo, on May 12 2010, 07:39 AM, said:
If you look at 3 major soures of terrorism in the world, you will find Northern Ireland, Israel/Pakestine, and India/Pakistan.
All three situations were caused by the UK (and USA with israel) splitting up existing countries due to religious differences. All three caused the main sources of terrorism we know today.
You really need to study some more history and stop listening to propaganda. But I've heard this particular rant several times before.
The Partition of India was not something forced by the British against the will of the population. Could it have been handled better, sure, the UK does tend to be rather ham handed with these things. But it was driven by forces in India. It was not a simple event and nobody has clean hands on it.
Northern Ireland hasn't been a major source of terrorism for nearly 20 yrs now and "The Troubles" (the main period of terrorism) only lasted for roughly 30 years to begin with.
Jazmodo, on May 12 2010, 07:39 AM, said:
I'm new here, so forgive me for not reading the rest of this 30 page article! But as far as my views go, Israel shouldn't have been created in the first place. It was a massive mistake. What is then criminal is to let the essentially occupying force to be armed to the teeth and force the people living in the new israel into what can easily be likened to concentration camps of a lesser degree - with israel imposing crippling blockages on gaza.
Somehow these sorts of rants never seem to include the fact that the Palestinians outside Israel have been used and abused by all of the arab "patrons" to forge them into a weapon against Israel. They've never let the Palestinians assimilate or become citizens, they've been forced to live in squalid refugee camps by the arabs instead of living as part of the population.
None of this justifies what Israel has done, but there is nearly as much Palestinian blood on their arab "brothers" hands.
It also illustrates the essentially two faced nature of this sort of position. Anything the Israelis do is bad and awful, but the exact same kinds of actions and worse by the Palestinians or the arabs is never mentioned or is viewed as "legitimate". Israel killing a Hamas leader, someone who's a bloody handed terrorist and accidentally killing some civilians that these guys are using as human shields, is an intolerable outrage and a crime against humanity, but a palestinian suicide bomber deliberately killing israeli women and children for no other reason than to instill terror is NEVER condemned.
Jazmodo, on May 12 2010, 07:39 AM, said:
Israel is here to stay though, but they will likely never find peace through reasoning, due to their constant flouting of international law by continuing to operate and even increase the size of settlements.
And how scrupulous have the arabs and palestinians been about observing international laws? I seem to remember something about terrorism not being permissible. I never hear any complaints from people with this sort of position about the deliberate and continuous targeting of Israeli civilians. Hell, look at how Hamas and Fatah have acted towards each other.
Pot meet kettle.
Jazmodo, on May 12 2010, 07:39 AM, said:
Meanwhile, the palastinians have no right, as nobody does, to cause death and harm to innocent civilians, and they too are in the wrong.
Ah yes the obligatory token "and the Palestinians have done something bad", but you never go into any details of all the horrors they've committed over the years or their mad dog insistence on continuing to attack Israel instead of trying to work out a peace settlement. If you ever wondered why the Israelis don't trust the Palestinians, just try looking up the CHILDRENS SHOWS where they advocate suicide bombing and teach the children to hate/kill the Israelis.
Jazmodo, on May 12 2010, 07:39 AM, said:
Israel/Palastine could be solved within a week if it wern't for the Americans blind support for a country that operates secret nuclear weapons, flouts international laws, and uses disproportionate force in each of the recent wars. If Israel accepted they must share the land, share jerusalem, share resources, and that it cannot bully their neighbours, then the war and world terrorism would be over.
You are truly naive if you think this and not just because you think something like this can be "solved within a week". Or is the Arabs committing genocide against Israel what you had in mind when it comes to "solved within a week"?
For one thing they Palestinians have already been offered TWICE, what is essentially the only deal that is ever going to work (google the details of the proposal from the end of the Clinton administration). They've rejected it twice. They've rejected it because they weren't willing to give up things like the right of return that would amount to Israel being willing to commit suicide as a jewish state. Israel has permitted almost full access to the holy sites of Islam, while the arabs denied Israeli access to sites like the Wailing Wall when they had control over Jerusalem.
Israel has or perhaps had accepted the principle of land for peace, but 20 years of Palestinians going "Yes we will live together" in public and "Kill the jews" in private and to their own people. 20 years of continuing terrorist attacks against civilians, from people who were supposed to be at peace with them. 20 years of broken promises and continuing attacks have sapped a lot of the will to try and make peace. Worse it's fed the religious fanatics in Israel who are just as intolerant and inflexible as any Al Qaeda members and who aren't any more willing to make peace.
You mention disproportionate force, is that anything like everyone of Israel's neighbors attacking at once, with vast numerical supremacy to try and exterminate them?
As far as the nukes go, the Israeli's have tried to exterminate how many of their neighbors again vs how many of them have tried numerous time to exterminate them?
The bare fact that people like you always seem to gloss over is that Israel has been proven to be willing to make peace and keep that peace. The Arabs have repeatedly tried to commit genocide on them and it's still a wildly popular idea in the arab world. It's part of the wounded pride of the arabs that they aren't the kings of the world like they were back in the 12th century.
Frankly I'd love to see a bit more balance in US policy, but the basic fact is that we have on one side a staunch ally and the only real democracy in the Middle East on the other side we have people who support and applaud terrorism against the US and Israel.
The US has very little cause to love anyone in the Middle East. Not that we've given them much of any reason to love us either.
I'd really like to see the US stop supporting petty dictators for life as well and back some real democratic change in the Middle east. Unfortunately that's probably not happening anytime soon.
Jazmodo, on May 12 2010, 07:39 AM, said:
INot to mention that Israel is the only country in the world that now operates and ethnic cleansing policy buy deporting non-jewish people, the world needs to stop supporting such acts.
Sudan (arab genocide), China and Tibet, Rwanda, the former Yugoslavia. The arabs have tried several times to commit genocide against Israel. Are you really this ignorant of recent history? Have you been taught anything other than propaganda?
Let me put it this way. If the power position of Israel and the Palestinians or the arabs was reversed. Can you tell me with a straight face that they would wait even 24 hours before completely exterminating the Israelis?
I am in no way fond of a LOT of what Israel has done. Their religious fanatics are almost as bad as the Arab ones and the Israeli fanatic who assassinated Yitzhak Rabin, probably got his wish when he put Bumbling Numskulledyahoo (Benjamin Netanyahu) into office and quite possibly killed off the best chance for peace, but your little rant is a classic example of "They are so utterly bad and evil that we're blameless by comparison". Frankly I'm inclined to say "A plague on both your houses".
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