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I am getting SICK AND TIRED of it!

Number 1, I do not like Obama. I do not like his positions. In fact, I voted against him.I believe that he is entering us into a new socialist nation where the government will have too much power and our laws will mirror UK laws.

Guess what? I am on his side to this stupid conspiracy theory that he was not born in the United States. He released a damned Certificate of Live Birth. That should have shut them all up, but it did not. They wanted a Birth Certificate, not a Certificate of Live Birth. Do you realize that those damn things get lost all the time? I do not have my original birth certificate, only my Certificate of Live Birth. Does that make me a non-American citizen?

Why are you doing this? We lost. We lost fair and square. No time for pouting. We must stop this insanity and work on getting this damn country back together rightly. This division is tearing our country apart. We are Americans! After 9/11, we put aside our differences and worked together to go in and hunt for terrorists in Afghanistan. Why cant we do that now in the midst of one of the greatest economic crises of our century?

Instead, we are more focused upon if he was sworn in on a Koran. Please. I have had enough of this {censored}.

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I am getting SICK AND TIRED of it!

Number 1, I do not like Obama. I do not like his positions. In fact, I voted against him.I believe that he is entering us into a new socialist nation where the government will have too much power and our laws will mirror UK laws.

Guess what? I am on his side to this stupid conspiracy theory that he was not born in the United States. He released a damned Certificate of Live Birth. That should have shut them all up, but it did not. They wanted a Birth Certificate, not a Certificate of Live Birth. Do you realize that those damn things get lost all the time? I do not have my original birth certificate, only my Certificate of Live Birth. Does that make me a non-American citizen?

Why are you doing this? We lost. We lost fair and square. No time for pouting. We must stop this insanity and work on getting this damn country back together rightly. This division is tearing our country apart. We are Americans! After 9/11, we put aside our differences and worked together to go in and hunt for terrorists in Afghanistan. Why cant we do that now in the midst of one of the greatest economic crises of our century?

Instead, we are more focused upon if he was sworn in on a Koran. Please. I have had enough of this {censored}.


Look I'm glad you've rejected some of the greater nonsense being spewed forth by the lunatic fringe and I heartily agree, that there is way to much divisiveness in how politics are being practiced.

But seriously, stating that Obama wants to turn the US into a socialist nightmare is not very far removed from that and it's exactly the kind of extreme exaggeration that is what's driving the divisions that you, rightly decry. Policy differences however big are not going to "destroy our way of life". The simple fact that people dislike Obama's policies do not mean that he is some kind of radical leftwinger out to turn the US into Stalinist Russia.

You don't like "socialist" policies, that's fine and you should oppose them to the best of your abilities if you do. That is your right and in many respects your duty under how our political system is structured.

But you do need a reality check, Europe and the UK are not some sort of 3rd world hellhole. There's a lot of good things to say about how their societies work vs ours. They do have some serious problems with how their societies work as a result of those policies, but we've got some very serious problems of our own as a result of our excessively "capitalist/no regulation" policies. There's a strong argument to be made that the "Regulations and government BAAAAADDDDD" attitude of the Bush Admin lead to the current economic crisis that came all too close to causing a second great depression world wide.

Is national healthcare socialist, yeah, but socialism does not equal communism and when you or someone you care about looses their house, savings and maybe their life, because they didn't have enough or any health coverage you might be a bit more favorably inclined towards some "socialism".

I was seriously ill 2 years ago and while I'm not completely sure what the full extent of the bill was. I do know it was at least HALF the price I paid for my house. I was lucky that I had very good health coverage, but I've seen it seriously decay over just the past couple of years and there's no signs it's going to be getting any better any time soon. "Socialist" Obama or not.

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too much power and our laws will mirror UK laws.

what is wrong with the UK laws?

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what is wrong with the UK laws?


Those nasty Socialists, you know, with a Health Service free for all, Social Security making sure nobody, especially the weakest in society (the elderly, the sick and disabled) is left out in the cold...
And you even dare to forbid fire weapons, taking away the essential freedom of people killing one another...
Bad, bad Socialists :D ;) :)

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Those nasty Socialists, you know, with a Health Service free for all, Social Security making sure nobody, especially the weakest in society (the elderly, the sick and disabled) is left out in the cold...
And you even dare to forbid fire weapons, taking away the essential freedom of people killing one another...
Bad, bad Socialists :) :D :)

Finally somebody talking some sense. :P

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We are Americans! After 9/11, we put aside our differences and worked together to go in and hunt for terrorists in Afghanistan.


And where only successful in creating a whole new generation of American hating Islamic youth (or as you say - TERRORISTS.) !

sorry couldn't resist :)

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what is wrong with the UK laws?


I dont know. Maybe not allowing people to defend themselves from home invaders, or even better, allowing those who enter their homes illegally and injure themselves can sue the homeowner. Cameras everywhere. No freedom of speech, if you offend someone, thats a citation; hell, you cant even protest outside of Parlament anymore.

That is only a little bit of your laws that make no sense.

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I dont know. Maybe not allowing people to defend themselves from home invaders, or even better, allowing those who enter their homes illegally and injure themselves can sue the homeowner. Cameras everywhere. No freedom of speech, if you offend someone, thats a citation; hell, you cant even protest outside of Parlament anymore.

That is only a little bit of your laws that make no sense.


Where do you get your information?

We got the let's sue everything that moves laws from the USA!

Last 'defend yourself in your own home' case that went through, a young lad who killed a burglar in his mothers home. He was NOT prosecuted !
Our law just doesn't see it as clean cut as 'Someone is in my home uninvited - You have the right to kill them! It's looked at on a case by case basis.

There are anti war protesters permanently camped RIGHT outside parliament ... not to mention recent Srilankan protests, May day protests ... and the first anti Iraq war protests (That I was present at!) where (Official figures say.) 200000 of us marched on parliament - it was more like 400000 ! We have freedom of speech and the right to protest ! If we didn't why would we allow right wing arseholes like the BNP run for election?

Yes we do have too many cameras but due to our data protection laws you have the right to access any footage of yourself - not great I admit. However I've spent a lot of time working in the US and let's face it, it isn't all blue birds and rainbows there either, is it!

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We have freedom of speech and the right to protest !


Having spent much of my life in the UK myself, I can confirm that there is much more real freedom in the UK than in Italy.

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The difference between you two (US and UK) is that the UK seems to be a more "I don't want to get killed, Guv'nah. Take everyone's guns away." while the US seems to be a more "I don't want to be killed so ya'll i'm going to buy a gun."
There are advantages and disadvanteges of the two methods but that's not what the OP was about. The OP wanted Obama out and (accidentally?) slighted the UK. He doesn't want to fight the UK laws, he wants Obama out. In other words, posts 3-10 (myself included) are offtopic. Thank you for your time.

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I don't see much of a problem with this country becoming a bit socialist if it benefits the people. However, after a while, most forms of government corrupt and/or implode. (cough USSR cough) What we need is something practical. But I don't think Obama is really up for the job. Sure, some things he's doing is actually helpful, but there are some other questionable things.

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Well, you're obviously against socialism, as most Americans are (even though they don't really know why - probably mistaking it for communism or stalinism).

Like it or not, George W. Bush made your country quite a bit more socialist.

Government bailouts of the private owned companies with public money are "socialist moves" (read: The Bear Stearns Companies, Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac, The Goldman Sachs Group, Citigroup, General Motors Corporation and Chrysler LLC, the list goes on.)

I put quotes on "socialist" because it is not really socialist. The real socialist country would never allow Federal National Mortgage Association (Fannie Mae) and Federal Home Loan Mortgage Corporation (Freddie Mac) to go private or GSE (government sponsored enterprise) - Fannie and Freddy were socialist institutions at their inception - and successful ones. "Privatizing" turned them into something that combined the worst features of capitalism and socialism; allowing capitalists to skim the profits, while government covered the losses. Like most right-wing privatization schemes, it was a plan to let in the looters.

"Socialism". Oxford English Dictionary. "1. A theory or policy of social organisation which aims at or advocates the ownership and control of the means of production, capital, land, property, etc., by the community as a whole, and their administration or distribution in the interests of all people 2. A state of society in which things are held or used in common."

Even if you do not find the notion of socialism appealing (again, I can't see why), think what would've happened if your gov't didn't bailout those "too big to die" companies. Furthermore, since the US is not a socialist country and the government can't control private companies, those companies used approximately 30% of the bailout money as generous bonuses for their executives who brought them to the bankruptcy. Lovely, isn't it? The public does not participate in the company gains, but have to participate in its losses (heads - they win, tails - we lose)

This is only a reflection on your "socialism" part of the topic. I'm not even starting on the "UK laws".

Before starting topics like this, one should at least have the basic knowledge of the concepts involved.





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