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OSX can be a pain in the ass. XP is more practical and has more features.

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OSX can be a pain in the ass. XP is more practical and has more features.

:withstupid: This should be in the Laughs Forum! ;)

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:withstupid: This should be in the Laughs Forum! ;)


why is that supposed to be a laugh ? the osx gui is one of the worse i have used since amiga workbench 1.3

it inst customizable at all and it is tailored to a total hopeless retard level

it's a shame that a nice unix bsd os is totally wasted with such retarded gui . I know that this sounds like a troll but for me osx gui just plain sucks. Xp can be considered bad but can be customized to suit everyone needs. it ranges from a braindead fisher price look to the old usable windows 2000 classic theme

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XP has the "crashing" feature

thats one more than osx O.o

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why is that supposed to be a laugh ? the osx gui is one of the worse i have used since amiga workbench 1.3

it inst customizable at all and it is tailored to a total hopeless retard level

it's a shame that a nice unix bsd os is totally wasted with such retarded gui . I know that this sounds like a troll but for me osx gui just plain sucks. Xp can be considered bad but can be customized to suit everyone needs


What exactly do you dislike so much about the OS X GUI? Finder, the Dock, what?

How is XP more customizable than OS X? Can you give a specific example?


Personally, my only objection to OS X's GUI is that it still somehow feels like a work in progress (and I know it is) compared to Classic. In particular, something about the Apple menu and lack of a built-in application selector on the Main Menu has always left it feeling incomplete to me.

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I love you Myzar. I think the same damn thing. From a functional point of view, the XP interface is 100 times better. Though I have to admit, the system architecture behind OS X is far superior.

(I was just afraid to say it)

EDIT: I guess we dont completely see Eye to Eye. But I think we have similar sentiments.

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I fail to see how XP is easier to use. Lack of built in application selector? It's called the dock, which is infnitely easier to use than the poorly designed start menu. Also, OS X works differently from XP. Most OS X softwares are "packages" which can be dragged onto the dock if it's a more commonly accessed app. If not, you can just place a shortcut to the apps folder in the dock, which basically gives you the start menu functionality. It's not like installing a software in Windows, and everything's modified from the registry to a folder cluttered with data files that you don't need to see. Everything in Mac OS X is nicely packaged, and normally you can uninstall a software by dragging the package to trash and delete the associated preferences file. I don't understand why you think Windows functionality is superior.

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Me either. It's unquantifiable, I guess. I like the way XP is laid out, especially the task bar. The way XP has it by default is grouping of windows... I hate that, just like I hate having to go to windows or right-clickong on a dock icon to find the window I want to work with. I like having all my windows laid out nicely. I also like having the names in the taskbar, especially with IE and Firefox, so I can see what that application is pointed to. like "Hotmail" or "seattle-tacoma craigslist" or "OSx86 Project Forum". I just like it. I'm know there are applications that will make the mac os less user-unfriendly, but I can never remember them.

I also like being able to alt-tab to a window.

So hey, if anyone knows the applications I'm talking about, gimme a hollar, cause I want them. Thanks :D

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XP has the "crashing" feature

thats one more than osx O.o


I can't recall the last time XP crashed. That was Windows 9x. I have an XP box that stays on for months at a time. If it does it is because of the outdated/incompatible hardware you have it running on/connected to that OSX will never support.

XP is very reliable especially given that it supports so much more hardware and software combindations.

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I almost never have XP crash on me. I've never had a stop error... And I abuse my computer more than most.

I did have a problem with my video card a month or so ago, but that's because it was overheating (the board I had placed it directly adjacent to the northbridge heatsink).

I'm not an apologist for windows XP. It just doesnt give me troube. Neither does OS X, actually. Works quite well... except my hackintosh will not run Warcraft III :D

I dont think I've even ever had a driver issue. Dunno.

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I just swiched to a faster computer with an ATI 9200 graphics card (driver issues), so I am back to XP. My reason for this thread was everything I spent so much time trying to tweak in OSX just works in XP. More functionality is built in, better thumbnails. It is much more practical if you want to do something.

But those advantages don't make XP a better system for me. The aesthetic qualities of OSX made the experience more enjoyable and are missed. The same went for when I was in OSX was frusterated with the simplicity of the GUI's inability to accomplish many tasks.

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What were you trying to tweak? Trying to kill drop shadows without ShadowKiller? Trying to kill the Finder? There are tons of customizable critters within OS X

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Whoever mentioned the crashing feature, that is the type of talk that causes the other 96% of software users to hate Mac users, the lies. I've never had any NT based os ever crash on me. Only the DOS based 9x OSes, which were still more stable than the non protected memory/non preemptive multitasking classic microkernels. Xp is still more stable than OS X IMO, and is definitely more stable than any OSx86 patched kernel on SSE2. I've had more Kernel Panics than Xp total crashes, and had OS X 86 BBOD (Beach Ball of death), way more than Windows has ever stopped responding. Drop shadows and all can easily be added to Xp, and come with Vista's superior GUI. What Xp offers is the ability to use more than just the aqua theme, and you can do it without reworking the whole system, as the OS offers built in theming support. Everything runs on Xp, everything I need to do, works on Xp. When I need to do work, Xp does it, when I want to watch a Google video, I can watch it in a browser. No spontanteous Safari crashes, none of that. Have a site that doesn't work in Safari or Firefox, just open it in a modern IE build for my processor. No emulation just to run my Word processor. You know why Windows has drivers, because it supports stuff. If OS X doesn't have the drivers you need, the device is incompatable. Printing on OS X 86 is a nightmare, especially since PPC drivers don't work, you need to find a comperable gutenprint driver, then print a test page to test accuracy. How about trying to make shortcuts (aliases) on the desktop, there is no right click and drag, or dragging from a CD, makes shortcuts. I don't mind Windows Explorer, but Finder makes me want to physically hurt someone/something. Or the dock taking up wayyy to much Window space. The application incompatability, or once again, most things need emulation, and their unibins are still buggy if they even exist. Parallels plain sucks, only would VMware suffice. Did anyone ever get the Window clutter horror, where windows (especially iChat ones), get caught behind the others, then you have to find the proper icon in the dock to call it up, or use crappy expose. You don't need expose in Windows because the taskbar manages windows more efficiently, as does alt-tab. I gave up with the hardware issues myself, the not so much better OS itself (I actually prefer windows). No, this is not a laugh at all, this is a serious opinion, and there's a reason Windows is on 95% of all computers, everything runs on it, and it works on all hardware, and is designed, easy, and has drivers for everything, plus Microsoft wants you using it, Apple doesn't want you on it unless you get their crappy hardware either.

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Bear in mind that you are on a Hackintosh, not a real Mac. OS X is stable for the most part, but frankly, so is Windows. Windows does suffer from a huge disadvantage though; it's popularity. Everyone and their mother knows how to exploit the features of XP (and some of them ARE features, though I cant figure out why I'd ever want to use them). There's a lot of stuff Microsoft could improve apon, such as protecting the registry from being altered willy-nilly. But Microsoft also doesnt have set-in-stone laws that if you break them, your software wont work on Windows, like OS X does. This leaves them vulnerable, but also broadens their application base. It might be bad, or it might be good, depending on your perspective.

Okay, so dont take this analogy personally, it's just an analogy and doesnt mean anything.

Windows is like Democracy. Every app and piece of hardware can do much of what it wants and can have it's demands without colapsing the whole thing, but, on the negative side, there's a lot of disorganization and disunity.

OS X is like a planned scientific state. Everything more or less works in harmony, but mainly because software and hardware is stuck in a very rigid framework, which, if it deviates, f*cks sh*t up.

Each side has it's advantages and disadvantages. Maybe a mixture of the two system ideologies is in order.


Or not. One isnt better than the other in an absolute fashion; just subjectively.

:)

EDIT: Another point to make against windows (and maybe mac os for different reasons, but I dont know), is that it has a huge operational bureaucracy to keep all the mischievous hardware, drivers and software working in somewhat ordered fashion. When your system has a bad day, that's this police force at it's worst.

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in my opinion:

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So, what you're saying is, while windows went out and got a thankless but ultimately productive job, Mac decided to go the steroids route and now models men's underwear for the sears catalog?

:blink:

Or, are you trying to say that Windows is ugly and bloated, but gets stuff done, while Mac looks good on the outside, but on the inside is really a walking chemical weapon?

:)

Just teasin.

EDIT: Me want Kentucky Fried Chicken.

PSST. For body number 1, KFC isnt the answer ;-p

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ive had more windows crashes than osx crashes ever. (Osx crashes - 2) (windows - countless)
there isnt a build of windows i cant crash or get the BSOD :)
its just it how you use your comp. :P

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Sure, if you want to, and know what you're doing, you can f*ck up windows. But I can sudo rm -rf /usr/standalone/i386 and screw it up too... what's the point? Yay, I broke my computer.

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Well, if you want all apple hardware/software to work in harmony, do so, but realise you're supporting a proprietary state, which is not good. Diabloik, anyone can crash XP if they try, or any OS for that matter. If Xp crashes regularly for you you're messing with the wrong stuff, or are an idiot (no offence) Xp is just as stable as OS X. I can easily crash both of them, but if I don't want to, I can keep them stable.

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My windows is f***ing up now I take back my comments here about the crashing lol.





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