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OpenSUSE is another great distribution.

It is available as DVDs or Live, installable CDs.

http://distrowatch.com/?newsid=05769

 

The installer isn't quite as simple and straightforward as the Mandriva one, but that is because by default you have more choice. I am of the opinion, however, that they could simplify at least the partitioner.

You can choose between KDE4, GNOME and Xfce (default KDE4).

Xfce has evolved into a really nice alternative to both KDE4 and GNOME, IMO.

As to KDE4 personally I prefer the Mandriva implementation to the openSUSE one.

In openSUSE however you can install KDE3.

Here is a quick and simple how to:

1)Add an openSUSE 11.1 DVD as installation source (pattern KDE3 will reappear)

2)Add http://download.opensuse.org/repositories/.../openSUSE_11.2/ (mantained by the openSUSE KDE Team)

3)You can also add http://download.opensuse.org/repositories/...y/openSUSE_11.2 (packaged by the commnity)

And now install pattern KDE3 through the package manager.

GNOME by openSUSE has a modified menu. Not everybody likes it.

Traditionally openSUSE users add Packman to the repos, the equivalent of Mandriva PLF or Debian multimedia.org (former Debian Marillat).

Overall openSUSE is a great distro: stable, polished, plenty of packages...And has a great feature unique to SUSE/openSUSE: boot from the DVD and repair your system (not from the command line like others, but with automated tools which will ask only a few simple questions).

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OpenSUSE is another great distribution.

It is available as DVDs or Live, installable CDs.

http://distrowatch.com/?newsid=05769

 

The installer isn't quite as simple and straightforward as the Mandriva one, but that is because by default you have more choice. I am of the opinion, however, that they could simplify at least the partitioner.

You can choose between KDE4, GNOME and Xfce (default KDE4).

Xfce has evolved into a really nice alternative to both KDE4 and GNOME, IMO.

As to KDE4 personally I prefer the Mandriva implementation to the openSUSE one.

In openSUSE however you can install KDE3.

Here is a quick and simple how to:

1)Add an openSUSE 11.1 DVD as installation source (pattern KDE3 will reappear)

2)Add http://download.opensuse.org/repositories/.../openSUSE_11.2/ (mantained by the openSUSE KDE Team)

3)You can also add http://download.opensuse.org/repositories/...y/openSUSE_11.2 (packaged by the commnity)

And now install pattern KDE3 through the package manager.

GNOME by openSUSE has a modified menu. Not everybody likes it.

Traditionally openSUSE users add Packman to the repos, the equivalent of Mandriva PLF or Debian multimedia.org (former Debian Marillat).

Overall openSUSE is a great distro: stable, polished, plenty of packages...And has a great feature unique to SUSE/openSUSE: boot from the DVD and repair your system (not from the command line like others, but with automated tools which will ask only a few simple questions).

Nice! I can always rely on you to draw my attention to new releases, thank you. :)

 

What do you think of Linux Mint Helena? I downloaded it, the md5 checks out but the two burns I did failed to boot... possibly because I use cdrws. I never seem to have problems with Opensuse. I agree the partitioning part of the installer overwhelms very slightly but I like that it has options to prevent you borking your triboot setup by not overwriting. I gave up on Ubuntu.

 

What I like about Linux Mint is that it works out of the box, the codecs are all there. I am not quite sold on the looks. Speaking of which, I have still to see any OS X theme that looks anywhere near as polished as the real thing. Why do themers and Linux distros themselves sometimes come with poorly centered text and symbols within the buttons. It seems sloppy, even if the distros are wonderfully free.

 

Should I give Mandriva a go? It has been a while! Also, is it wrong of me to like the look of KDE?

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Nice! I can always rely on you to draw my attention to new releases, thank you. :(

 

What do you think of Linux Mint Helena? I downloaded it, the md5 checks out but the two burns I did failed to boot... possibly because I use cdrws. I never seem to have problems with Opensuse. I agree the partitioning part of the installer overwhelms very slightly but I like that it has options to prevent you borking your triboot setup by not overwriting. I gave up on Ubuntu.

 

What I like about Linux Mint is that it works out of the box, the codecs are all there. I am not quite sold on the looks. Speaking of which, I have still to see any OS X theme that looks anywhere near as polished as the real thing. Why do themers and Linux distros themselves sometimes come with poorly centered text and symbols within the buttons. It seems sloppy, even if the distros are wonderfully free.

 

Should I give Mandriva a go? It has been a while! Also, is it wrong of me to like the look of KDE?

 

Hi :)

 

I tried Mint only once, but I believe it is a good distro. Try to burn the iso slowly on a normal, good quality CD (Verbatim, for instance ).

 

As to OS X themes, Dream Linux should possibly have the best one. I haven't tried it in a while because it was never very stable.

http://www.linuxdynasty.org/dream-linux-35...creenshots.html

 

Sure, you should try Mandriva 2010, it is a very nice release.

Why should be wrong liking the look of KDE? :censored2:

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There is something ugly about those fonts in those Dreamlinux screen shots, isn't there? Text and icons appear nicely centered, which is less of a problem with Linux than it used to be, but there is something toy-ish about Dreamlinux's icon set, as compared to Leopard. I downloaded Opensuse and am about to burn it to CDRW! I know, media is cheap but I hate waste. I suspect Mint doesn't like my set up, I have a lot of hard drives and a DVD drive on PATA/IDE. I remember Mint Gloria's installer working when I stripped things back to a single bare hard drive. Hard to believe it could be something that simple. I was told to download the ISO again, even if the MD5 checked out, why would that be?!

 

Hmm, Opensuse MD5 checks out and the burn verifies but when I check the media in Opensuse's media check I get an md5 checksum error. I will save the CDRWs for transferring media files and stick to CDRs, should have some Verbatim somewhere.

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There is something ugly about those fonts in those Dreamlinux screen shots, isn't there? Text and icons appear nicely centered, which is less of a problem with Linux than it used to be, but there is something toy-ish about Dreamlinux's icon set, as compared to Leopard.

 

Yeah, I am not a big fan of Dream Linux either, I just mentioned it because they try to be OS X-like.

 

I downloaded Opensuse and am about to burn it to CDRW! I know, media is cheap but I hate waste. I suspect Mint doesn't like my set up, I have a lot of hard drives and a DVD drive on PATA/IDE. I remember Mint Gloria's installer working when I stripped things back to a single bare hard drive. Hard to believe it could be something that simple. I was told to download the ISO again, even if the MD5 checked out, why would that be?!

 

That doesn't surprise me.There are distros (among them Puppy) which don't like my set up, but work fine with my laptop.

I can't imagine why you should download the ISO again, even if the MD5 checked out, it doesn't make sense to me.

 

Hmm, Opensuse MD5 checks out and the burn verifies but when I check the media in Opensuse's media check I get an md5 checksum error. I will save the CDRWs for transferring media files and stick to CDRs, should have some Verbatim somewhere.

 

Indeed, I use rewritable media for beta releases and everything I don't want to keep too long, else I use CD-Rs.

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I haven't had much time to try it out but my initial impressions are favourable. It still looks like Linux, the spacing of text and the layout, but on the whole it looks pretty inviting. I know eye candy shouldn't be important but, well, this is a wannabe Mac community, so! It counts for something.

 

I noticed that Linux Mint Helena has gone RC1. I am keen to try that out, also. Some people don't like the white text on black dialogue boxes but it is interesting to note that in Snow Leopard, the dock now uses white text on black.

 

Does OpenSuse play media files out-of-the-box like Linux Mint does? Unfortunately that counts for so much with people trying new operating systems. More time to try both out on Sunday. Thanks again for the heads up. :)

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Does OpenSuse play media files out-of-the-box like Linux Mint does? Unfortunately that counts for so much with people trying new operating systems. More time to try both out on Sunday. Thanks again for the heads up. :(

 

Hi :P

 

OpenSUSE doesn't play media files out-of-the-box.

As I already said, it is very much like Mandriva or Debian in that respect.

You need to add Packman to the repos:

 

http://en.opensuse.org/Additional_YaST_Pac...itories#Packman

After that do a

#zipper refresh

#zypper dup (short for dist-upgrade)

 

http://en.opensuse.org/Zypper/Usage

 

After adding Packman and performing a dist-upgrade, you can also install Mplayer and Vlc which should pull most dependencies needed for multimedia playing.

Good luck!

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Hi :(

 

OpenSUSE doesn't play media files out-of-the-box.

As I already said, it is very much like Mandriva or Debian in that respect.

You need to add Packman to the repos:

 

http://en.opensuse.org/Additional_YaST_Pac...itories#Packman

After that do a

#zipper refresh

#zypper dup (short for dist-upgrade)

 

http://en.opensuse.org/Zypper/Usage

 

After adding Packman and performing a dist-upgrade, you can also install Mplayer and Vlc which should pull most dependencies needed for multimedia playing.

Good luck!

Thank you for that. ;)

 

I get an error during the install and as yet have only been able to use as a Live CD. Will take into the error at the weekend and post it here if no joy. It's something like init script line 37 input/output error responding too fast /sbin

. Sorry, I don't have the piece of paper I wrote it down on, here.

 

Mint Helena's RC1 is Gnome but nice enough. I will never get used to that huge and broad start menu, though!

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Thank you for that. ;)

 

I get an error during the install and as yet have only been able to use as a Live CD. Will take into the error at the weekend and post it here if no joy. It's something like init script line 37 input/output error responding too fast /sbin

. Sorry, I don't have the piece of paper I wrote it down on, here.

 

Mint Helena's RC1 is Gnome but nice enough. I will never get used to that huge and broad start menu, though!

 

I hope you get better luck the next time you try. But have you tried to download and install the DVD?

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I hope you get better luck the next time you try. But have you tried to download and install the DVD?
The CD. I will try the DVD. The problem may stem from my installing to my multi partitioned gpt/GUID/EFI drive and deselecting grub, etc. It worked last time around on my laptop with a similar set up. I will try again. My old Mac Mini doesn't burn DVD's but I can port the ISO to a USB drive and burn on another machine. I need to buy myself a new DVDRW but with OS X it is such a lottery finding one that reads and writes well. My last decent one was a Pioneer. NEC wasn't a good way for me to go. I am not up-to-date with the defacto choice for Hackintosh, these days. Homework is fun but if you have any recommendations, SATA or otherwise, I am all ears!
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The CD. I will try the DVD. The problem may stem from my installing to my multi partitioned gpt/GUID/EFI drive and deselecting grub, etc. It worked last time around on my laptop with a similar set up. I will try again. My old Mac Mini doesn't burn DVD's but I can port the ISO to a USB drive and burn on another machine.

 

So I can see you are in a pretty complicated situation. I have never had a real Mac and I try and avoid partitioning my hack with GUID, I have enough problems already. That is why I always wait for Leopard "distributions".

 

I need to buy myself a new DVDRW but with OS X it is such a lottery finding one that reads and writes well. My last decent one was a Pioneer. NEC wasn't a good way for me to go. I am not up-to-date with the defacto choice for Hackintosh, these days. Homework is fun but if you have any recommendations, SATA or otherwise, I am all ears!

 

I have mainly used Pioneers of various generations on my 4 hackintoshes. But I had a Sony as well, and I am not quite sure what my laptop has. Never a problem, though. So obviously you were particularly unlucky with your NEC.

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So I can see you are in a pretty complicated situation. I have never had a real Mac and I try and avoid partitioning my hack with GUID, I have enough problems already. That is why I always wait for Leopard. I have mainly used Pioneers of various generations on my 4 hackintoshes. But I had a Sony as well, and I am not quite sure what my laptop has. Never a problem, though. So obviously you were particularly unlucky with your NEC.
Leopard and to a lesser extent Snow Leopard came on really crappy media in the Family packs, over here, semi thin/flimsy with that faint rainbow/oily coloration is you flex the discs slightly, a sure sign of cheap media. I backed them up to dual layer DVDs and there's the problem; most of my DVD readers labor to read dual layer DVDs. My original Leopard DVD is no longer usable and there is, annoyingly, no Apple store in Edinburgh, yet. I keep hoping. I will take it to the Glasgow branch next time I am there. I could do without posting it and paying mailing costs for a new one. I might try making image of the DVD and installing from a USB hard drive but I rather not use up the space if I can help it.

 

...anyway! Getting back to Opensuse! The error code that I get when trying to install is: - 1008 I need a full listing of Opensuse error codes but as yet haven't been able to find one. An earlier version of 11 worked fine on GPT labelled hard drives and Opensuse's forum suggests I shouldn't have difficulty on that score. I will get to the bottom of it! Winodows 7 doesn't like the GPT; on previous occasions I image my windows partition made on a regular msdos labelled hard drive and then install that image to the GPT drive, then repairing the windows boot. The joys!

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Leopard and to a lesser extent Snow Leopard came on really crappy media in the Family packs, over here, semi thin/flimsy with that faint rainbow/oily coloration is you flex the discs slightly, a sure sign of cheap media. I backed them up to dual layer DVDs and there's the problem; most of my DVD readers labor to read dual layer DVDs. My original Leopard DVD is no longer usable and there is, annoyingly, no Apple store in Edinburgh, yet. I keep hoping. I will take it to the Glasgow branch next time I am there. I could do without posting it and paying mailing costs for a new one. I might try making image of the DVD and installing from a USB hard drive but I rather not use up the space if I can help it.

 

I can feel your pain. I bought Star Trek 2009 from amazon.co.uk. I wanted to make a 1:1 copy (I have a right of backup, like everybody else) but I destroyed 2 dual layer DVDs in the process.

OT: you live in Edinburgh, lucky you! :P

I was there only once, but I spent almost 3 months in Clydebank, near Glasgow.

 

 

...anyway! Getting back to Opensuse! The error code that I get when trying to install is: - 1008 I need a full listing of Opensuse error codes but as yet haven't been able to find one. An earlier version of 11 worked fine on GPT labelled hard drives and Opensuse's forum suggests I shouldn't have difficulty on that score. I will get to the bottom of it! Winodows 7 doesn't like the GPT; on previous occasions I image my windows partition made on a regular msdos labelled hard drive and then install that image to the GPT drive, then repairing the windows boot. The joys!.

 

Unfortunately I am not able to help you with error code 1008, or other error codes for that matter. But I can see you have found your way to the openSUSE forums, there are users who are more knowledgeable than me by a long shot.

I try not to use GPT, enough problems already with my desktop, and my notebook has iDeneb 10.5.8 installed. That satisfies me for the time being.

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The solution of course is to stop being so stubborn about trying to boot everything from a single hard drive and install Windows 7 and OpenSUSE on another hard drive and let Chameleon pick them up. Seems to work nicely with Windows 7 (a nasty habit that I am keen to break the cycle of by using Linux), so I would think it will work nicely with OpenSUSE.

 

Incidentally, I HATE SATA connectors, cheap brittle pieces of... It must be nice to buy a hard drive, plug it in and just not touch it again! Boring but... nice!

 

Edinburgh may be one of the greatest cities on the planet - but it is like a museum for architects who go to parties and meet architects and bankers; very pretty but Glasgow is better fun and, I think, a little friendlier. Not to generalize or anything but, here, if you ring a friend's doorbell they will greet you with an Edinburgh 'You'll have had your supper, then?' whereas in Glasgow they will feed you whether you have eaten or not and even if you are a stranger who stopped to ask directions. I imagine Clydebank was a bit rough!? Very rainy, is Glasgow.

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The solution of course is to stop being so stubborn about trying to boot everything from a single hard drive and install Windows 7 and OpenSUSE on another hard drive and let Chameleon pick them up. Seems to work nicely with Windows 7 (a nasty habit that I am keen to break the cycle of by using Linux), so I would think it will work nicely with OpenSUSE.

 

Indeed! I have always been of the opinion that installing OS X on separate HD is the thing to do.

 

 

Edinburgh may be one of the greatest cities on the planet - but it is like a museum for architects who go to parties and meet architects and bankers; very pretty but Glasgow is better fun and, I think, a little friendlier. Not to generalize or anything but, here, if you ring a friend's doorbell they will greet you with an Edinburgh 'You'll have had your supper, then?' whereas in Glasgow they will feed you whether you have eaten or not and even if you are a stranger who stopped to ask directions. I imagine Clydebank was a bit rough!? Very rainy, is Glasgow.

 

How true! :P Once we went with my landlady to see friends of hers. First they asked us to stay for tea, then for dinner, less than a couple of hours later. I said: I can't eat that much :santa:

But my landlady's nephew informed me that I couldn't simply say no!

Clydebank wasn't rough, just the opposite. Of course Bearsden is really "posh" (beautiful).

The first time I was there it was a glorious summer, people told me it was the best they could remember.

I had plenty of time off, which I spent visiting the beautiful surroundings. And when I say beautiful I really mean it, among the most beautiful places in Europe.

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A quick update. I decided it was time to update my laptop. To save time and hassle, rather than set the hard drive's label to GPT under the Gpartedlive CD partition manager, I instead left it at the default MSDOS. I used a preboot cd to boot into the Snow Leopard install DVD. I partitioned the hard drive with the GUID partition table, like so - Windows (FAT) / Snow Leopard / OpenSuse. I then continued to install Snow, then booted to desktop with the preboot CD, installed Chameleon to the invisible EFI HFS+ partition. Then I ran terminal and used sudo -s command, entered my password, then typed mkdir /Volumes/EFI and pressed Enter/Return and then typed mount_hfs /dev/disk0s1 /Volumes/EFI and then pressed Enter/Return. That made the EFI partition visible. I dropped my needed kexts into the Extra/Extensions folder and then dragged that folder onto Kext Utility to remake the Extensions mkext. All done.

 

Then I installed Windows 7 64 bit, formating the recognised FAT partition to NTFS.

 

I then made sure my EFI partition was active to bring up the Chameleon V2 bootloader. Everything working. I then installed OpenSuse, partitioning the Linux partition Swap / Root / Home, making sure to deselect the various boot options.

 

Everything is working well. Now, whether it is worth having the hard drive label set to GPT, I wouldn't want to make a definitive statement, just that Leopard did seem to run a little quicker with GPT/GUID than MSDOS/GUID. In terms of an easy install, MSDOS/GUID wins every time.

 

So glad you had a good time in Glasgow. Let me know if you are visiting Edinburgh. ^_^

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Everything is working well. Now, whether it is worth having the hard drive label set to GPT, I wouldn't want to make a definitive statement, just that Leopard did seem to run a little quicker with GPT/GUID than MSDOS/GUID. In terms of an easy install, MSDOS/GUID wins every time.

 

So glad you had a good time in Glasgow. Let me know if you are visiting Edinburgh. :wacko:

 

I am glad everything is working well for you.

As to visiting Edinburgh again, it doesn't seem very likely right now. But in the future, who knows... :)

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A subsequent install using Chameleon 2.0-RC4 and the OpenSUSE partition isn't showing up on the Chameleon boot menu. Hmm. All of this may be nothing whatsoever to do with Chameleon v2 rev4, of course, I just can't think what I am doing differently to previous clean format/installs other than using rev4 rather than rev3.

 

During the OpenSUSE install I have tried to install Grub to the OpenSUSE root partition on /dev/sda5 but each time I get an error 22 message saying OpenSUSE tried to install it to /dev/sd4, which is the swap partition, despite my specifiying under 'Custom Boot Partition' /dev/sda5.

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A subsequent install using Chameleon 2.0-RC4 and the OpenSUSE partition isn't showing up on the Chameleon boot menu. Hmm. All of this may be nothing whatsoever to do with Chameleon v2 rev4, of course, I just can't think what I am doing differently to previous clean format/installs other than using rev4 rather than rev3.

 

During the OpenSUSE install I have tried to install Grub to the OpenSUSE root partition on /dev/sda5 but each time I get an error 22 message saying OpenSUSE tried to install it to /dev/sd4, which is the swap partition, despite my specifiying under 'Custom Boot Partition' /dev/sda5.

 

Try simply installing Grub to the root partition ( I believe you have such an option). Unfortunately Grub installs itself also to the MBR, even if it isn't supposed to.

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Try simply installing Grub to the root partition ( I believe you have such an option). Unfortunately Grub installs itself also to the MBR, even if it isn't supposed to.
I tried and tried, my friend, but the otherwise excellent installer, and post installer using repair, wouldn't let me install Grub to root on /dev/sda5. As I say, I got an error 22 message saying OpenSUSE tried to install Grub to /dev/sd4 (my swap partition), despite my specifying under 'Custom Boot Partition' that I wanted it installed on /dev/sda5.

 

Meantime I have installed Kubuntu! Have you tried it? Its installer behaved; from Advanced I asked it to install to /dev/sda5; this time no error message. Unasked it also reset the active partition... Here's to OpenSUSE's more extensive install options. I had to boot with my Leopard USB hard drive and boot CD to get into terminal to

 

fdisk -e /dev/disk0

flag 1

update

quit

y

 

and then Chameleon was up and running and seeing the Linux partition.

 

So, install OpenSUSE and then during its first run, from the OpenSUSE desktop, run whatever terminal commands install Grub that didn't work with the installer DVD? Do you know those commands off hand, otherwise I'll search. B)

 

...and, re your point about things happening that you don't ask for, Windows 7 won't boot so now to repair that.

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So, install OpenSUSE and then during its first run, from the OpenSUSE desktop, run whatever terminal commands install Grub that didn't work with the installer DVD? Do you know those commands off hand, otherwise I'll search. :P

 

Well, this is what I know:

 

http://www.gnu.org/software/grub/manual/ht...02dinstall.html

 

But to be quite honest with you, I haven't needed to use such commands very much, I try to use "easy" distributions, I am lazy :tomato:

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So, install OpenSUSE and then during its first run, from the OpenSUSE desktop, run whatever terminal commands install Grub that didn't work with the installer DVD? Do you know those commands off hand, otherwise I'll search. :)

 

you must be in logged as root so you need to use at least su or sudo

 

sudo grub

 

in the prompt:

 

root (hd?,?) <-- the linux partition
setup (hd?) <-- the HDD where your linux partition is, note that you can also install grub on a partition instead of the mbr HDD by using "setup (hd?,?)"
quit

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Thank you for your advice, cparm. No joy, yet.

 

 

grub> root (hd0,6)

 

Error 22: No such partition

 

So I quit the grub command line and typed fdisk -l

 

None of the Linux partitions show up, which is to say sd5 swap sd6 root sd7 home

 

Device Boot___Start___End_____Blocks______Id____System

/dev/sda1__*__1_____ 26_____204799+_____af____HFS / HFS+

/dev/sda2_____26____9267___74225663+____c____W95 FAT32 (LBA)

/dev/sda3_____9267__18078__70773323+____af____HFS / HFS+

/dev/sda4_____1_____1______0____________ee____GPT

 

OpenSUSE seems to have a problem with my mdos-labelled hard drive GUID-based partition table - EFI/WINDOWS7/SNOW/SWAP/ROOT/HOME - where Kubuntu seems not to. Tomorrow I will try booting into Kubuntu Live CD and see if I can get it to work from there.

 

Edit. Kubuntu doesn't like my new-ish ATI 4770 graphics card at any resolution, almost impenetrable screen artifacts. Time to download another Live Distro!

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Thank you for your advice, cparm. No joy, yet.

 

 

grub> root (hd0,6)

 

Error 22: No such partition

 

So I quit the grub command line and typed fdisk -l

 

None of the Linux partitions show up, which is to say sd5 swap sd6 root sd7 home

 

Device Boot___Start___End_____Blocks______Id____System

/dev/sda1__*__1_____ 26_____204799+_____af____HFS / HFS+

/dev/sda2_____26____9267___74225663+____c____W95 FAT32 (LBA)

/dev/sda3_____9267__18078__70773323+____af____HFS / HFS+

/dev/sda4_____1_____1______0____________ee____GPT

 

OpenSUSE seems to have a problem with my mdos-labelled hard drive GUID-based partition table - EFI/WINDOWS7/SNOW/SWAP/ROOT/HOME - where Kubuntu seems not to. Tomorrow I will try booting into Kubuntu Live CD and see if I can get it to work from there.

 

Edit. Kubuntu doesn't like my new-ish ATI 4770 graphics card at any resolution, almost impenetrable screen artifacts. Time to download another Live Distro!

 

for sda6 (your root linux partiton), the command is:

 

grub> root (hd0,5)

 

anyway i don't know if the basic grub can handle GPT scheme, i really don't know because i never used grub on a gpt partition

 

sorry i can't help you more than that

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