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A paper has been published in a peer-reviewed journal that thoroughly characterizes nanothermite explosives found in dust from the controlled demolition of the World Trade Center on staged terrorist attack 9/11.

 

Active Thermitic Material Discovered in Dust from the 9/11 World Trade Center Catastrophe

pp.7-31 (25) Authors: Niels H. Harrit, Jeffrey Farrer, Steven E. Jones, Kevin R. Ryan, Frank M. Legge, Daniel Farnsworth, Gregg Roberts, James R. Gourley, Bradley R. Larsen

doi: 10.2174/1874412500902010007

 

 

Abstract

 

We have discovered distinctive red/gray chips in all the samples we have studied of the dust produced by the destruction of the World Trade Center. Examination of four of these samples, collected from separate sites, is reported in this paper. These red/gray chips show marked similarities in all four samples. One sample was collected by a Manhattan resident about ten minutes after the collapse of the second WTC Tower, two the next day, and a fourth about a week later. The properties of these chips were analyzed using optical microscopy, scanning electron microscopy (SEM), X-ray energy dispersive spectroscopy (XEDS), and differential scanning calorimetry (DSC). The red material contains grains approximately 100 nm across which are largely iron oxide, while aluminum is contained in tiny plate-like structures. Separation of components using methyl ethyl ketone demonstrated that elemental aluminum is present. The iron oxide and aluminum are intimately mixed in the red material. When ignited in a DSC device the chips exhibit large but narrow exotherms occurring at approximately 430 °C, far below the normal ignition temperature for conventional thermite. Numerous iron-rich spheres are clearly observed in the residue following the ignition of these peculiar red/gray chips. The red portion of these chips is found to be an unreacted thermitic material and highly energetic.

 

Keywords: JScanning electron microscopy, X-ray energy dispersive spectroscopy, Differential scanning calorimetry, DSC analysis, World Trade Center, WTC dust, 9/11, Iron-rich microspheres, Thermite, Super-thermite, Energetic nanocomposites, Nano-thermite

Affiliation: Department of Chemistry, University of Copenhagen, Copenhagen, DK-2100, Denmark.

 

The paper is here:

http://www.bentham-open.org/pages/content....0001/7TOCPJ.SGM

 

 

The lead author, Prof. Niels Harrit of the University of Copenhagen, is interviewed on Danish TV here (English subtitles):

 

Here are some choice quotes by Prof. Harrit:

 

"Hundreds of thousands of people of have long known that the three buildings were demolished. This has been crystal clear." (Actually the number is in the hundreds of millions, for example about 25% of Germany knows what really happened on 9/11. That is about 20 million Germans).

 

"Each day thousands of people realize the World Trade Center was demolished. This is something that is unstoppable."

 

"This is not the 'smoking gun,' it is the 'loaded gun'." (Very true.)

 

"I think there is only one 'conspiracy theory' worth mentioning. One involving 19 hijackers."

 

 

I know there are some 12 year-old fools who post here and who apparently think anything is possible because they "learned" physics by watching cartoons and playing video games. I suggest you take your "debunker" nonsense to a credible university and see if anyone there will vouch for it before posting it here.

 

 

For more on 9/11 evidence see these websites:

 

http://ae911truth.org

http://911blogger.com

 

 

For information on what is actually happening in the USA and world see:

 

http://infowars.com

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"Hundreds of thousands of people of have long known that the three buildings were demolished. This has been crystal clear." (Actually the number is in the hundreds of millions, for example about 25% of Germany knows what really happened on 9/11. That is about 20 million Germans).

As long as we're being wowed with numbers, what about the 75% of Germany (that's about 60 million Germans) that know that the buildings collapsed as a result of the plane crashes?

 

But seriously, I've been wondering about this. The fuselages of the airplanes were instantly turned to powdered aluminum upon impact. Powdered aluminum is one of the 2 ingredients of Thermite. Related?

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A paper has been published in a peer-reviewed journal that thoroughly characterizes nanothermite explosives found in dust from the controlled demolition of the World Trade Center on staged terrorist attack 9/11.

 

The paper is here:

http://www.bentham-open.org/pages/content....0001/7TOCPJ.SGM

 

Unfortunately, it looks like Benthem is more of a scam and not so much of a "peer-reviewed journal".

 

http://poynder.blogspot.com/2008/04/open-a...thew-honan.html

 

At first the strategy appeared to be working. After all, being on the editorial board of a scholarly journal is a much-cherished ambition for researchers, and the kudos attached to being a chief editor an even more attractive goal; likewise, their constant hunger to be published means that researchers are always on the lookout for publishing opportunities.... After the first flush of enthusiasm, however, researchers began to question Bentham's activities, not least because many of the invitations they were receiving seemed decidedly badly targeted. For instance, psychologists were being invited to contribute papers on ornithology, health policy researchers were being invited to submit papers on analytical chemistry and economists were being invited to submit papers on sleep research...

 

To add insult to injury, some of the invitations researchers were receiving were addressed to a completely different person, or the name field was empty, and addressed simply to "Dear Dr.,"...

 

By March of this year, senior health care research scientist at the University of Toronto Gunther Eysenbach had had enough. Publicly criticising Bentham's activities on his blog, Eysenbach complained..., "All pleas and begging from my side to stop the spamming, as well as clicking on any 'unsubcribe' links did not stop the spam plague from Bentham."

 

.....

 

 

Eysenbach, meanwhile, is less forgiving. Indeed, he is so angry that he is considering suing Bentham under anti-spam laws. Arguing that it is illegal for businesses to send unsolicited emails to people that have not agreed to receive them, or where no previous contractual relationship exists, he comments, "The law is clear: I didn't have any other previous business relationship with Bentham [when it emailed me]. Unsolicited bulk email is spam, and illegal, and even offering to remove names is not an appropriate remedy." He adds, "I am not a litigious person, but this seems to be worth the effort to take one step further."

 

Were Eysenbach to take that step, however, it is not clear how successful he would be. As is now evident, Bentham is not a communicative company. And while it has a presence in four countries — the United Arab Emirates, the Netherlands, Pakistan, and Illinois, USA — in all four jurisdictions the contact point is either a PO Box, or c/o address. Moreover, Eysenbach is based in Canada, so even were he to be successful in the courts, enforcing a ruling in another jurisdiction could prove both difficult and expensive. Moreover, his task might be complicated by the fact that the one thing that Honan refused to tell me is who owns Bentham Science Publishers.

 

http://www.earlham.edu/~peters/fos/2008/04...m-open-but.html

 

Yeah, basically they charge you a fee for "publishing" your paper. But you didn't really think this all encompassing, all powerful conspiracy would let something like this get published somewhere with an actual reputation did you?

 

But hey someone on the internet wouldn't lie about something would they?

 

The lead author, Prof. Niels Harrit of the University of Copenhagen, is interviewed on Danish TV here (English subtitles):

 

Here are some choice quotes by Prof. Harrit:

 

"Hundreds of thousands of people of have long known that the three buildings were demolished. This has been crystal clear." (Actually the number is in the hundreds of millions, for example about 25% of Germany knows what really happened on 9/11. That is about 20 million Germans).

 

Wow some random professor from holland says something. How can I possibly argue with that? By the way this interview is off of a morning TV "infotainment show".

 

http://forums.randi.org/showthread.php?t=102718

For anyone who is interested in getting some facts about this thermite {censored}, as opposed to the rantings of one of the 9/11 truther nutjobs check this out.

 

http://www.debunking911.com/thermite.htm

 

This is just more of the same old {censored} slightly retreaded.

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Embio,

Absolutely brilliant plan! Here is your only problem, over 7 years have passed and we don't even have one of the "official" towers built yet. Don't think we are even close. By the time we manage to rebuild the actual World Trade Center I figure either North Korea or Iran will have already nuked us pretty much rendering the point (and a good portion of the country) useless.

 

Let's do this scientifically. As a control, lets build two more Towers in the desert and invite the terrorists to hijack two more planes and crash into them - then we can prove it one way or the other!
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I know there are some 12 year-old fools who post here and who apparently think anything is possible because they "learned" physics by watching cartoons and playing video games. I suggest you take your "debunker" nonsense to a credible university and see if anyone there will vouch for it before posting it here.

 

 

 

Now that I'm 13 ...... I believe you ! Twelve year olds are idiots !

 

 

Further - At thirteen even I know that TV, university professors and internet forums are a veritable fountain of truth, an unbiased cornucopia of knowledge and replete with examples of wise souls searching for real truth (even at the expense of their own true political agenda)

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The one's who do not agree with this article just answer these simple questions.

 

1. How many of you know that before 9/11, the U.S economy was declining badly and the dollar's value was going down every day.

2. After 9/11, has the value of U.S economy ever declined?

3. How the hell is it possible, that the tallest building in the world(supposedly it SHOULD be having the strongest foundation laid), can fall when an air plane strikes above the center of the building and it comes down as if the building is demolished?

4. How come all the Jews who worked over there, were COINCIDENTALLY did not come to their offices?

5. America came into South East Asia to hunt down Osama Bin Laden, now where the {censored} has he disappeared from within the radars of the most advanced technology in the world? How the hell has the U.S all of a sudden stopped its search for Bin Laden and he is not even mentioned? Not to mention, that Bin Laden was the military product of U.S itself.

 

These are simple facts that even the most stupid person can understand. There are a lot of more info and proof regarding that incident.

 

How many of us have heard of the FREE MASONS? Do you really think its a myth, or just a conspiracy theory? I think God has given us enough brain to think, rather than swallow the MEDIA {censored} and then draw conclusions and judgments. A lot of innocent people died in the incident and millions have died after that and are still dying.

 

Just one last question, who is suffering because of all this? The politicians? NO!!!!! Innocent people like us, more and more families die everyday, its we the common people who are dying? Why cant a president die? Why not their relatives?

 

We are mere pawns for them and they continue to use us just to fulfill their own motives. I wonder when will we finally wake up and take a stand.

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I have a PhD in Chemical Physics and I have never heard of this journal before. Not bashing the journal at all, but I am not so sure on how these open journals are reviewed. Knowing what sort of hoops I have to jump through to get published in the Journal of Chemical Physics or the Journal of Physical Chemistry A means I have a fair amount of respect for these journals and the publishing houses that print them.

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The one's who do not agree with this article just answer these simple questions.

 

1. How many of you know that before 9/11, the U.S economy was declining badly and the dollar's value was going down every day.

 

It was called the internet bubble bursting. No mystery or question as to what was going on then. Large trade deficits will hurt the value of your currency, don't cha know?

 

2. After 9/11, has the value of U.S economy ever declined?

 

Have you been living under a rock for the past two years? Or have you just failed to notice the whole economic meltdown going on since then?

 

3. How the hell is it possible, that the tallest building in the world(supposedly it SHOULD be having the strongest foundation laid), can fall when an air plane strikes above the center of the building and it comes down as if the building is demolished?

 

First the strength of the foundation doesn't matter.

 

Ah, so you are basically just stupid then.

 

200 ton aircraft + 500 mph = massive damage.

 

Massive damage + wide ranging fire = collapsed building.

 

AND THIS DOES NOT REQUIRE OR INVOLVE MELTING STEEL!!!

 

I mean seriously people. You knock out 1/2 to 1/3 of the primary support structure for the building and then have a massive fire, that causes the remaining structural supports to loose about 1/2 their strength and you are looking at 1/4 to 1/3 of the structural strength the building was designed for. Combine that with a huge chunk of the building above the point of damage and it collapses.

 

And surprise surprise, that huge chunk, absent any torquing motion, falls straight down, causing things to pancake.

 

4. How come all the Jews who worked over there, were COINCIDENTALLY did not come to their offices?

 

Okay, people aren't usually that open about their antisemitism, but I suppose it's refreshing of you to be frank about it.

 

And you are just simply ignorant if you believe this.

http://www.snopes.com/rumors/israel.asp

http://www.cnn.com/SPECIALS/2001/memorial/lists/by-name/

http://answers.google.com/answers/threadview?id=331277

 

This Slate thread details the history of this nasty lie.

http://slate.msn.com/id/116813

 

"How many Jews actually died in the world Trade Center attacks is not

known with any precision. The official New York City 'Missing Persons

List' does not categorize victims by their religion or nationality.

But ask families with names like Adler, Aron, Berger, Bernstein,

Cohen, Eichler, Eisenberg, Feinberg, Friedlander, Goldstein,

Greenstein, Horwitz, Jablonski, Kestenbaum, Kirchbaum, Kleinberg,

Levi, Levine, Mayer, Rosenberg, Rosenblum, Rosenthal, Sachs,

Safronoff, Schwartz, Shulman, Shwartzstein, Silverstein, Solomon,

Steinman, Temple, Weil, Weinberg, Weingard, Weinstein, Weiss, Zukelman

what they wouldn't give to see their loved ones again. Why didn't they

get a conspiratorial cell-phone message warning them to stay home? By

all appearances, the 9-11 hijackers were equal-opportunity murderers."

 

You really are a scum bag you know that.

 

5. America came into South East Asia to hunt down Osama Bin Laden, now where the {censored} has he disappeared from within the radars of the most advanced technology in the world? How the hell has the U.S all of a sudden stopped its search for Bin Laden and he is not even mentioned? Not to mention, that Bin Laden was the military product of U.S itself.

 

OBL is hidding out in one of the most isolated, xenophobic and lawless regions of the planet. There's no mystery about him not being found.

 

You are exceptionally ignorant if you believe he isn't being hunted. Why do you think we have all those drones tossing hellfire missiles at Taliban leaders.

 

These are simple facts that even the most stupid person can understand. There are a lot of more info and proof regarding that incident.

 

No it takes an exceptionally stupid and ignorant person to believe the things you do.

 

How many of us have heard of the FREE MASONS? Do you really think its a myth, or just a conspiracy theory? I think God has given us enough brain to think, rather than swallow the MEDIA {censored} and then draw conclusions and judgments. A lot of innocent people died in the incident and millions have died after that and are still dying.

 

The free masons are neither a myth nor a conspiracy. Most of the founders of the US were free masons and if the US is the result of a conspiracy. I'd say "let's have some more like it".

 

Just one last question, who is suffering because of all this? The politicians? NO!!!!! Innocent people like us, more and more families die everyday, its we the common people who are dying? Why cant a president die? Why not their relatives?

 

We are mere pawns for them and they continue to use us just to fulfill their own motives. I wonder when will we finally wake up and take a stand.

 

There aren't a lot of danes dying as a result of this, so SFU. We've had plenty of presidents die in the US and plenty more shot at.

 

Seriously you folk are just delusional.

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The one's who do not agree with this article just answer these simple questions.

 

1. How many of you know that before 9/11, the U.S economy was declining badly and the dollar's value was going down every day.

2. After 9/11, has the value of U.S economy ever declined?

I can hardly turn the TV on without being told how bad it's declining at the moment and we need to pass another stimulus RIGHT NOW!

 

3. How the hell is it possible, that the tallest building in the world(supposedly it SHOULD be having the strongest foundation laid), can fall when an air plane strikes above the center of the building and it comes down as if the building is demolished?

Gravity makes it possible for buildings to fall. Gravity, dude! Where were you in high school?

 

4. How come all the Jews who worked over there, were COINCIDENTALLY did not come to their offices?

See? Even you admit it was a coincidence!

Except that it's not true as well. Coincidence?

 

5. America came into South East Asia to hunt down Osama Bin Laden, now where the {censored} has he disappeared from within the radars of the most advanced technology in the world? How the hell has the U.S all of a sudden stopped its search for Bin Laden and he is not even mentioned? Not to mention, that Bin Laden was the military product of U.S itself.

First of all, which particular advanced technology is supposed to find him? Second of all, there are political reasons to stop mentioning him (i.e.: they screwed up and are sweeping it under the rug). Third of all, never mind.

 

These are simple facts that even the most stupid person can understand. There are a lot of more info and proof regarding that incident.

Smart people, on the other hand, do more than merely understand these simple facts. We are skeptical of them as well.

 

How many of us have heard of the FREE MASONS? Do you really think its a myth, or just a conspiracy theory? I think God has given us enough brain to think, rather than swallow the MEDIA {censored} and then draw conclusions and judgments. A lot of innocent people died in the incident and millions have died after that and are still dying.

Non sequitur freemason sentence notwithstanding, God has given us a brain to think. We really should look at the facts and draw our own conclusions.

 

 

Just one last question, who is suffering because of all this? The politicians? NO!!!!! Innocent people like us, more and more families die everyday, its we the common people who are dying? Why cant a president die? Why not their relatives?

 

We are mere pawns for them and they continue to use us just to fulfill their own motives. I wonder when will we finally wake up and take a stand.

It will be a long time indeed.

 

Sorry for the snarky tone to most of this post. I'm just kinda sick of the instant jump from "I have unanswered questions about 9/11" to "Oh my goodness, the worst fears of ALL the conspiracy nuts are ALL true! SIMULTANEOUSLY!"

 

FWIW, I'm pretty sure we haven't been told the truth by our government.

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Alright, now I'm no genius, physicist or aerodynamic engineer, but I do like to think I'm a logical thinker.

 

You hear all of these stories and pseudo-scientific papers claiming some chemical was found here and steel doesn't melt and bla-de-blah. I think it's a lot more simple than that. I think the conspiracy theorists are concentrating on the wrong thing. Don't look at the World Trade Centres, look at the Pentagon. Look at the hole in the side of the building. Did a plane vanish through that hole? You might as well ask if pigs can fly. But hey, they could easily disprove that right? They could just release the video footage from the petrol station across the street and then the whole theory would go up in a puff of smoke. Oh wait, no, they haven't released it. It was confiscated immediately. So we ask to be shown the footage, instead we get 5 frames. Empty lawn, empty lawn, explosion, more explosion and then even more explosion. No sign of any planes....

 

That is my main concern. If the tape does indeed show a plane hitting the side of the pentagon, why has it been confiscated and so shrouded in mystery? And what's with the whole "We'll release just a few frames." Why not just release it all and shove it in all the conspiracy theorists faces? OH WAIT! Sorry I keep forgetting there is something they're hiding about that. It doesn't make sense. Why release just a few frames if there really is nothing to hide. Prove the theory wrong, show us the footage of the plane!

 

Logically, that doesn't make sense and it's the only thing that puts doubt in my mind. I think we're asking all the wrong questions if we really want to find out the truth.

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you know... i don't agree with conspiracy theories. But a theory that some people have (not me) is

 

Conspiracy theories are created by governments wanting to detract attention from what they are really doing...

 

EG, lets say we seed a theory about explosives on a plane or building... then they will worry about that, and try to stab at random and possibly find some slightly valid answers for it... While we try to use up the tax payers money, dream up some experimental aerocraft etc... the skeptics and theorists are not off our backs... and we will give medals to anyone who helped someone escape to make ourselves look good!

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Alright, now I'm no genius, physicist or aerodynamic engineer, but I do like to think I'm a logical thinker.

 

I'll give you the benefit of the doubt, but you certainly haven't bothered to look into the question.

 

http://www.popularmechanics.com/science/de...?page=6&c=y

 

You hear all of these stories and pseudo-scientific papers claiming some chemical was found here and steel doesn't melt and bla-de-blah. I think it's a lot more simple than that. I think the conspiracy theorists are concentrating on the wrong thing. Don't look at the World Trade Centres, look at the Pentagon. Look at the hole in the side of the building. Did a plane vanish through that hole? You might as well ask if pigs can fly. But hey, they could easily disprove that right? They could just release the video footage from the petrol station across the street and then the whole theory would go up in a puff of smoke. Oh wait, no, they haven't released it. It was confiscated immediately. So we ask to be shown the footage, instead we get 5 frames. Empty lawn, empty lawn, explosion, more explosion and then even more explosion. No sign of any planes....

 

Claim: Two holes were visible in the Pentagon immediately after the attack: a 75-ft.-wide entry hole in the building's exterior wall, and a 16-ft.-wide hole in Ring C, the Pentagon's middle ring. Conspiracy theorists claim both holes are far too small to have been made by a Boeing 757. "How does a plane 125 ft. wide and 155 ft. long fit into a hole which is only 16 ft. across?" asks reopen911.org, a Web site "dedicated to discovering the bottom line truth to what really occurred on September 11, 2001."

 

FACT: When American Airlines Flight 77 hit the Pentagon's exterior wall, Ring E, it created a hole approximately 75 ft. wide, according to the ASCE Pentagon Building Performance Report. The exterior facade collapsed about 20 minutes after impact, but ASCE based its measurements of the original hole on the number of first-floor support columns that were destroyed or damaged. Computer simulations confirmed the findings.

 

Why wasn't the hole as wide as a 757's 124-ft.-10-in. wingspan? A crashing jet doesn't punch a cartoon-like outline of itself into a reinforced concrete building, says ASCE team member Mete Sozen, a professor of structural engineering at Purdue University. In this case, one wing hit the ground; the other was sheared off by the force of the impact with the Pentagon's load-bearing columns, explains Sozen, who specializes in the behavior of concrete buildings. What was left of the plane flowed into the structure in a state closer to a liquid than a solid mass. "If you expected the entire wing to cut into the building," Sozen tells PM, "it didn't happen."

 

The tidy hole in Ring C was 12 ft. wide �" not 16 ft. ASCE concludes it was made by the jet's landing gear, not by the fuselage.

 

That is my main concern. If the tape does indeed show a plane hitting the side of the pentagon, why has it been confiscated and so shrouded in mystery? And what's with the whole "We'll release just a few frames." Why not just release it all and shove it in all the conspiracy theorists faces? OH WAIT! Sorry I keep forgetting there is something they're hiding about that. It doesn't make sense. Why release just a few frames if there really is nothing to hide. Prove the theory wrong, show us the footage of the plane!

 

I'm not sure what footage you're referring too, but if it's the one I've seen. There's only a couple of frames that show anything. It's security camera footage, it isn't highspeed 2000 fps, 1080p footage.

 

There's plenty of eyewitness accounts of seeing the plane coming in.

 

Logically, that doesn't make sense and it's the only thing that puts doubt in my mind. I think we're asking all the wrong questions if we really want to find out the truth.

 

Try this for logic

 

First - What is the point of faking an attack on the pentagon? If you are looking to create a casus belli then the twin towers attack is more than sufficient. Highjacking another airliner adds another point of failure, another potential for exposure and more complications.

 

For what gain?

 

Is anyone anywhere an iota more outraged that the pentagon was attacked, than if just the twin towers were destroyed? Do you honestly think we'd NOT have gone to war if just the twin towers were attacked and the pentagon was untouched?

 

Second - Even assuming that faking the attack was desireable, you still have the problem of getting the plane somewhere to hide it and dispose of it and then you have to murder all of the passengers and dispose of their bodies.

 

Third - You then have to arrange and send out the aircraft with the cruise missile or what ever. You have to launch the missle and HOPE that nobody sees the missle coming or launching from the aircraft. Remember this is Washington DC you have to do all this by, one of the most densely populated areas of the country and there's a LOT of people working at the pentagon.

 

Fourth - All this is going to involve a LOT of people. ALL of whom have to be willing to commit a horrible atrocity against their own country. NONE of whom can have second thoughts, crisis of consciences or mental breakdowns.

 

If you want logic, claiming that the attack on the pentagon was "faked" beggars the imagination as to all the things that would have to be done in order to pull it off and that it could all be done without any mistakes, errors or clues just doesn't make any sense

 

Remember logic is just a tool. It is no better than your ability to reason or consider factors.

 

Garbage in. Garbage out.

 

Just google "Socrates is a cat" for a classic example. 100% logical and 100% nonsense.

 

I mean seriously. The Bush administration lied to us, spied on us, went to war on false premises (Iraq), handed fat no bid contracts to the VP's old firm, COMPLETELY botched the post war situation THAT THEY DIDN'T EVEN BOTHER PLANNING FOR, made us accomplices to torture and people want to obsess over "faked" attacks on the pentagon or "melted" steel in the twin towers?

 

The crimes of the bush administration are sitting there RIGHT in front of ALL of our faces and you're chasing phantom delusions.

 

you know... i don't agree with conspiracy theories. But a theory that some people have (not me) is

 

Conspiracy theories are created by governments wanting to detract attention from what they are really doing...

 

EG, lets say we seed a theory about explosives on a plane or building... then they will worry about that, and try to stab at random and possibly find some slightly valid answers for it... While we try to use up the tax payers money, dream up some experimental aerocraft etc... the skeptics and theorists are not off our backs... and we will give medals to anyone who helped someone escape to make ourselves look good!

 

Been watching South Park eh?

 

I've seen "Truthers" complaining that the "faked attack on the pentagon" stuff is so obviously {censored} that it must have been planted by "the conspiracy" to discredit them.

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How do you explain WTC 7 collapsing ?

 

There's a thread on it here. It's just fallen on to the second page. My answers to this really start with post #14.

 

But I assume you are referring to the supposed "controlled" demolition. From how you ask this I'm guessing you don't have ANY idea what's involved in rigging a building for a controlled demolition? This isn't something you can do with a team of ninjas in a single night. It's weeks or more likely months to rig a building that size, but see below as well.

 

So I'll also ask you the same question I asked him.

 

"What could there possibly be in WTC 7, for it to be worth the risk of rigging it for a controlled demolition?"

 

But that thread would be a better place to continue on that topic.

 

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I was going to post this here anyway, but this seems to be as good a time as any.

 

The National Geographic Channel last night had an excellent special on some of the common conspiracy theories as to what happened on 9/11 and why they don't make any sense if you check out the things they claim were supposed to have happened.

 

It covers most of the common nonsense the "truthers" spew. "Melted steel", controlled demolition, "nano" thermite, cruise missile attack, etc.

 

Perhaps most interesting is that they showed several of the most prominent "truthers" their tests and surprise surprise. They categorically rejected ANYTHING that didn't fit their tidy conspiracy theories. Just like our "melted steel" brigade here. It had some interesting insights into the "truther" mentality. Well worth the watch. Here's the web site link.

 

http://channel.nationalgeographic.com/epis...y-4067/Overview

 

I'm sure it will be well repeated in the next week or two.

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calm down. its very dangerous to assume things.

 

i know full well whats involved ... but there's been only 3 buildings in history to collapse due to fire.

 

lets rule out 1 and 2 ( the towers ) and concentrate on the third WTC 7

 

WTC7 was never directly hit

 

No Building will fall like that ... in 7 seconds ( pancaking of the floors will slow it down )

 

Strangely WTC7 penthouse collapses then a few seconds later the building collapses ( a building does not pause for several seconds during a collapse )

 

i've got no answers .. but it sure doesnt sit right with my physics education.

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calm down. its very dangerous to assume things.

 

i know full well whats involved ... but there's been only 3 buildings in history to collapse due to fire.

 

lets rule out 1 and 2 ( the towers ) and concentrate on the third WTC 7

 

WTC7 was never directly hit

 

Well none of the three buildings collapsed solely due to a fire. The WTC 1 & 2 had 140 ton jet airplanes crashed into them at roughly 440 mph and WTC 7 was actually damaged in the collapse of the towers. Initial reports were that it wasn't, but these were incorrect. The video shots of the building prior to the collapse just don't show the portion that was damaged. Google Earth has a feature where you can check out the site after 9/11 and it's pretty clear why it was. It's quite close to the collapsed towers.

 

No Building will fall like that ... in 7 seconds ( pancaking of the floors will slow it down )

 

Strangely WTC7 penthouse collapses then a few seconds later the building collapses ( a building does not pause for several seconds during a collapse )

 

i've got no answers .. but it sure doesnt sit right with my physics education.

 

Well how a building collapses and how long it takes, depends on the damage and it's construction. There was a large multi story atrium in the WTC 7, which clearly factored into how it collapsed. Since the supporting columns for it were damaged when the towers collapsed. The link to the thread on WTC 7 has links I posted to the NIST report on the collapse and other things like an animation of how the collapse happened.

 

If you have questions they should answer it. Things do get kind of testy in that thread though.

 

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EDIT: Found this debunking of common myths about the speed of WTC 7 collapse.

http://ae911truth.info/tiki-index.php?page=Freefall+Speed

 

It's from a site devoted to debunking claims of that "Architects & Engineers for 9/11 Truth" so beloved of a certain poster here.

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WOW. Just WOW.

 

There are STILL people out there that think planes brought down 3 towers? There are some crazy people out there, but to think.... there are idiots that still defending the Bush administration?

 

Everybody knows it was an inside job.

 

Oh, BTW. Why is the Iraq war not over yet? And why are we currently invading Afghanistan... AGAIN?

 

EDIT: bofors, isn't nanothermite military grade ONLY?

 

Oh, yes, I remember, unPopular Mechanics is owned by Hearst Corp.

See: http://www.britannica.com/EBchecked/topic/...llow-journalism

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WOW. Just WOW.

 

There are STILL people out there that think planes brought down 3 towers? There are some crazy people out there, but to think....

 

Only the sane rational people who bother to educate themselves on the topic, instead of swallowing what ever irrational conspiracy theory is being peddled this week.

 

Everybody knows it was an inside job.

 

Only the "aluminum foil hat" brigade believe this sort of nonsense. I mean seriously, what about the Bush administration leads you to believe they were competent enough to pull off a conspiracy?

 

Oh, BTW. Why is the Iraq war not over yet? And why are we currently invading Afghanistan... AGAIN?

 

We never left Afghanistan, but you don't seem like you bother to actually pay attention to the news. So I'm not surprised you're wondering why we're still in Iraq as well.

 

EDIT: bofors, isn't nanothermite military grade ONLY?

 

Nope. It doesn't really exist. It's being researched, but certainly didn't exist 8 yrs ago.

 

Not that this matters. For those of you unacquainted with the laws of physics and chemistry. AKA the Truthers. It doesn't matter what adjectives you stick in front of "thermite", that doesn't give it magic powers like you guys want to believe. "Nano" thermite would have to some how increase the amount of heat generated by several orders of magnitude to do what you guys want it to do and REALITY simply doesn't work that way.

 

Thermite is a very, very stupid way to cut large pieces of metal like girders. It's main civilian use is actually in welding steel together. It is really only good for cutting thin pieces of metal.

 

It requires massive amounts of thermite to cut/melt steel. You can't just paste on a thin paste of magic pixie fairy dust (aka "nano" thermite) and have it cut massive steel girders. It would take HUNDREDS OF POUNDS PER GIRDER to cut it.

 

This is from a mythbusters episode where they put 1,000 lb of thermite on a car.

 

Thermite has to be HELD IN CONTACT with the girders. You can't just lump it around it and have it melt through. You people watch FAR too many hollywood movies.

 

Ever notice how computers can't magically give you the answers like they do in films. LOTS of things in movies simply aren't realistic.

 

Oh, yes, I remember, unPopular Mechanics is owned by Hearst Corp.

See: http://www.britannica.com/EBchecked/topic/...llow-journalism

 

Hearst was the very definition of yellow journalism BACK IN THE SPANISH-AMERICAN WAR. You know 100+ yrs ago. Really if you want to slam them, try and at least use things that happened oh, in the past couple of decades...

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Only the sane rational people who bother to educate themselves on the topic, instead of swallowing what ever irrational conspiracy theory is being peddled this week.

 

 

 

Only the "aluminum foil hat" brigade believe this sort of nonsense. I mean seriously, what about the Bush administration leads you to believe they were competent enough to pull off a conspiracy?

 

 

 

We never left Afghanistan, but you don't seem like you bother to actually pay attention to the news. So I'm not surprised you're wondering why we're still in Iraq as well.

 

 

 

Nope. It doesn't really exist. It's being researched, but certainly didn't exist 8 yrs ago.

 

Not that this matters. For those of you unacquainted with the laws of physics and chemistry. AKA the Truthers. It doesn't matter what adjectives you stick in front of "thermite", that doesn't give it magic powers like you guys want to believe. "Nano" thermite would have to some how increase the amount of heat generated by several orders of magnitude to do what you guys want it to do and REALITY simply doesn't work that way.

 

Thermite is a very, very stupid way to cut large pieces of metal like girders. It's main civilian use is actually in welding steel together. It is really only good for cutting thin pieces of metal.

 

It requires massive amounts of thermite to cut/melt steel. You can't just paste on a thin paste of magic pixie fairy dust (aka "nano" thermite) and have it cut massive steel girders. It would take HUNDREDS OF POUNDS PER GIRDER to cut it.

 

This is from a mythbusters episode where they put 1,000 lb of thermite on a car.

 

Thermite has to be HELD IN CONTACT with the girders. You can't just lump it around it and have it melt through. You people watch FAR too many hollywood movies.

 

Ever notice how computers can't magically give you the answers like they do in films. LOTS of things in movies simply aren't realistic.

 

 

 

Hearst was the very definition of yellow journalism BACK IN THE SPANISH-AMERICAN WAR. You know 100+ yrs ago. Really if you want to slam them, try and at least use things that happened oh, in the past couple of decades...

 

The largest "Conspiracy theory" or whatever other term you are dreaming up, can me more closely related to a caveman pulling off something as complex as 9/11, and hitting %75 of their targets.

 

Yet, you still support Bush, as bad, and evil as he was.

 

If anything, most of the Bush gang should be prosecuted for war crimes. As should his followers.

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The largest "Conspiracy theory" or whatever other term you are dreaming up, can me more closely related to a caveman pulling off something as complex as 9/11, and hitting %75 of their targets.

 

Ah, another racist 'truther'. So you are arguing that arabs are too stupid to organize 9/11 or fly the planes.

 

Well explain to me how 20 guys + Flight school for 4 + a couple of hundred thousand dollars is more complex than pulling things off like rigging 3 major office buildings in downtown Manhattan for controlled demolitions without anyone noticing? That's without getting into the wild ones that involve stuff like robot airliners.

 

I hate to break it to you but it isn't that difficult to fly a modern airliner. The Mythbusters were able to land a 747 in a full airline training simulator, with no prior training and just a person talking them through it on the radio. Landing is by FAR the most difficult thing to do in a plane.

 

Flying straight and level after spending a couple of weeks in flight school is trivial.

 

Yet, you still support Bush, as bad, and evil as he was.

 

You have to have a skull of solid neutronium to think I'm a supporter of the Bush administration. I posted this earlier in the thread, but for some reason, 'truthers' seem to have extremely poor reading comprehension.

 

I mean seriously. The Bush administration lied to us, spied on us, went to war on false premises (Iraq), handed fat no bid contracts to the VP's old firm, COMPLETELY botched the post war situation THAT THEY DIDN'T EVEN BOTHER PLANNING FOR, made us accomplices to torture and people want to obsess over "faked" attacks on the pentagon or "melted" steel in the twin towers?

 

The crimes of the bush administration are sitting there RIGHT in front of ALL of our faces and you're chasing phantom delusions.

 

I think we need a corollary to "Godwin's Law", that in any argument with a "truther" that the probability that they will accuse you of being a supporter of the Bush administration approaches 100% the longer the thread goes on.

 

You know a large part of the reason why I can't believe that Bush and friends were responsible for 9/11 is their repeatedly demonstrated total incompetence.

 

If anyone was too stupid to pull off 9/11, it would have to be Bush and his gaggle of narrow minded "Yes" men.

 

But guys like you have a lot in common with them actually. You both refuse to listen to anything or anyone who doesn't tell you what you want to hear and you're both immune to facts and logic.

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Are you trolling me? Ive never seen such {censored} in my life. This is the most loosely put together conspiracy theory ive ever seen. It looks like someone scrapped a bunch of {censored} off the ground and jumbled it all together until it started to look like something that came remotely close to a conspiracy theory. Anybody who believes that the government blew up the building is scum. Its funny how it would take a bunch of people to plant so much Nanothermite in the building but there hasn't been anybody who has confessed to such a crime being committed. You guys are {censored} nuts. God have mercy on you dirtbags.

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