AirmanPika Posted April 9, 2006 Share Posted April 9, 2006 OK I managed to come to the same basic conclusion as some others that Vista was exploding because it didn't like either the way OSX partitioned the drive or that it wasn't the main partition. I haven't looked deeper into it yet. Anyway I went through the basic steps of installing bootcamp, the firmware, etc and then started the install. When you get to the section where it asks where to actually install vista....well here's the main problem...you delete all of them. Even OSX. Yes this isn't a dual boot solution (yet anyway) but it does allow vista to run. See update below... Things I noticed: The drivers CD that apple has you make doesn't work. It starts installing, gets to about where it starts installing various drivers, installs the video ones, and then goes stupid, rolls back the changes, and says it errored out. I haven't tried to extract the MSI that has the driver packages so that I can manually do it yet. Also I installed the ATI Beta vista drivers and even though they install fine I don't get glass and 3d stuff explodes in my face too. I thought I read somewhere that someone did get glass going but I haven't yet. Anyway thats it for now. Still doing half a dozen things at once. I'll post more later as I figure things out. Here's some pics. UPDATE: Just so people aren't confused by this old post I believe Vista RTM works with Bootcamp 1.1.2. If you don't have the latest version installed or for some reason I am wrong you also can just delete the 200MB EFI partition and it should also work without killing OSX. You'll just loose the ability to remove vista later. You also can install vista as the only OS assuming you don't want OSX. IF YOU ARE INSTALLING VISTA.... I recommend seeing this thread as it has a good step by step walkthrough for the drivers http://forum.insanelymac.com/index.php?showtopic=38998 Also see the following page for a full install walkthrough http://www.geocities.com/nja469/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Swad Posted April 9, 2006 Share Posted April 9, 2006 Great work, AirmanPika! I wrote something on our blog to let people know... and you're also on digg! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
other Posted April 9, 2006 Share Posted April 9, 2006 Great work :censored2: Now to work out a dual boot solution. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nevermind1331 Posted April 9, 2006 Share Posted April 9, 2006 just a thought but.... i remember when i installed vista on a pc it put a ton of files on the other partitions of my drive. maybe its trying to write those files to the hfs partition, realizes it cant, then explodes (as you called it). maybe you can boot with hirens cd, hide the osx partition, then unhide it somehow, so vista doesnt try and put its own bootloader everywhere. just a thought. id try it myself but im tired of reinstaling osx. parallels just bit me. good work and good luck. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alex Oughton Posted April 9, 2006 Share Posted April 9, 2006 I managed to install Vista a couple of days ago without removing OS X. All you have to do is remove the 200 meg EFI partition. Without it, OS X still boots, and so will Vista. This isn't without problems though, as Boot Camp then wouldn't allow me to later remove the Windows partition, claiming I needed a software update. The fix was to boot the Mac OS X install DVD in single-user mode, and replace the EFI partition using the gpt command (wasn't easy considering I'd not used GPT at all before, so I had some to learn). After replacing the EFI partition, all was fine. I could remove the Vista partition, and OS X was never harmed. I didn't think to try if Vista still booted with the EFI partition replaced, but I expect it wouldn't. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
abcslayer Posted April 9, 2006 Share Posted April 9, 2006 To get Aero 3D fx working you should tweak the registry to enable it. (Just googling for it, now i'm not at home to send you my .reg file) Shortcut tu manually turn off fx is: Shift + F9. To make fx of windows (minimize or maximize..) us Shift + mouse click (like Mac?!!!) Windows + Space make a fx like Alt + Tab in 3D style. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
asticinzano Posted April 9, 2006 Share Posted April 9, 2006 Just a quote from the MS Vista beta newsgroups. "Go to a run prompt (winkey + R) and type: WinSat Aurora let that run for a few seconds, log out and then back in and you should have DWM." Worked well for my Notebook with GeForce FX 5600go. Uncheked the 'compatible drivers' box and used the driver for FX 5600. Maybe it will work for your Macinteltoshes as well. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Colonel Posted April 9, 2006 Share Posted April 9, 2006 That's so sad. For some reason I think we might be seeing Macs shipped like this. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jauhari Posted April 9, 2006 Share Posted April 9, 2006 This really great work You are ROCKS!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AirmanPika Posted April 9, 2006 Author Share Posted April 9, 2006 I managed to install Vista a couple of days ago without removing OS X. All you have to do is remove the 200 meg EFI partition. Without it, OS X still boots, and so will Vista. This isn't without problems though, as Boot Camp then wouldn't allow me to later remove the Windows partition, claiming I needed a software update. The fix was to boot the Mac OS X install DVD in single-user mode, and replace the EFI partition using the gpt command (wasn't easy considering I'd not used GPT at all before, so I had some to learn). After replacing the EFI partition, all was fine. I could remove the Vista partition, and OS X was never harmed. I didn't think to try if Vista still booted with the EFI partition replaced, but I expect it wouldn't. Thanks for that. I had a hunch it might have been that partition but like I mentioned I just started toying. Also thanks to the rest of ya who threw in the info on glass. I'll try all that in a bit. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lane Posted April 9, 2006 Share Posted April 9, 2006 Have you tried installing Vist inside of the Virtualization software? That would be pretty cool... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
psp_gamer Posted April 9, 2006 Share Posted April 9, 2006 w0w, vista on a mac is just plain sexy. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alex Oughton Posted April 9, 2006 Share Posted April 9, 2006 Thanks for that. I had a hunch it might have been that partition but like I mentioned I just started toying. Also thanks to the rest of ya who threw in the info on glass. I'll try all that in a bit. No problem. Was fun to experiment! It proves that there's nothing inherently wrong with the OS X / Vista mix. I think it's going to be up to Microsoft to solve the issue with their bootloader, so hopefully they'll have done so by RTM. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EricJD Posted April 10, 2006 Share Posted April 10, 2006 Sweet. What build is that? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AirmanPika Posted April 10, 2006 Author Share Posted April 10, 2006 5342 if I'm remembering correctly Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
grabberslasher Posted April 10, 2006 Share Posted April 10, 2006 (If you want to see Glass running at 1440x900) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tharindu Posted April 10, 2006 Share Posted April 10, 2006 can some one send me that registry tweak Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
iNic Posted April 10, 2006 Share Posted April 10, 2006 I managed to install Vista a couple of days ago without removing OS X. All you have to do is remove the 200 meg EFI partition. Without it, OS X still boots, and so will Vista. This isn't without problems though, as Boot Camp then wouldn't allow me to later remove the Windows partition, claiming I needed a software update. The fix was to boot the Mac OS X install DVD in single-user mode, and replace the EFI partition using the gpt command (wasn't easy considering I'd not used GPT at all before, so I had some to learn). After replacing the EFI partition, all was fine. I could remove the Vista partition, and OS X was never harmed. I didn't think to try if Vista still booted with the EFI partition replaced, but I expect it wouldn't. Could you be more specific, please? How did you "remove" the partition, with DiskUtility under OSX? And could you please tell us how to restore it using GPT? thanks, inic Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dponmac Posted April 10, 2006 Share Posted April 10, 2006 I dont think the registry tweaks work with the newer builds. Or so I've read. But it looks like grabberslasher got it working somehow... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
grabberslasher Posted April 10, 2006 Share Posted April 10, 2006 I dont think the registry tweaks work with the newer builds. Or so I've read. But it looks like grabberslasher got it working somehow... I had used registry hacks to enable it on that build I installed (5270), but in 5308 and later you can just download the ATI Catalyst Driver for Windows Vista (check the ATI site) - it has support for the Radeon x1600 in the iMac and will enable Glass. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
urig-herb Posted April 10, 2006 Share Posted April 10, 2006 This is still so ugly. I can't believe that this is the final vista theme. They must be hiding something till the last minute. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
grabberslasher Posted April 10, 2006 Share Posted April 10, 2006 My instructions here: http://tinyurl.com/otob4 (and I have {censored} bandwidth, so especially by posting the link here the site will get very slow) More photos: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aiongiant Posted April 10, 2006 Share Posted April 10, 2006 is the ati video drivers support opengl?..casue i tried running some 3d programs like maya and it would {censored} out using my pc computer running nvidia 6800gt....using the nvidia vista beta drivers great work guy! definetly gonna try this out on my MBP =) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
grabberslasher Posted April 10, 2006 Share Posted April 10, 2006 is the ati video drivers support opengl?..casue i tried running some 3d programs like maya and it would {censored} out using my pc computer running nvidia 6800gt....using the nvidia vista beta drivers great work guy! definetly gonna try this out on my MBP =) From past experience I have found you will have to turn off Glass (Control-Shift-F9) or install Windows XP graphics drivers to run games or OpenGL applications. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
randomblame Posted April 10, 2006 Share Posted April 10, 2006 You're famous! CLickY However I think somebody doesn't know what the hell they're talking about, they're research seems to be a bit patchy at best : "Apple already has had a history of not being too pleased with the OSX86 project. In February, the company served a DMCA order on the group, ordering it to cease and desist its efforts to reveal how its Mac OS X 10.4.4 could be patched to run on ordinary PC hardware. The group never actually reported success in this attempt, though after having being taken down for a few days, OSX86's site currently claims it's in full compliance with terms of the Digital Millennium Copyright Act. Companies have recently relied on the terms of this act - which some say leverages anti-terrorism provisions in an effort to defeat software piracy - to prevent others from making copies or alterations to their software or architecture." Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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