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Himlaklar
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The look of Vista and all the new graphic "stuff", thumbnails of program, 3d-view of all open programs and the transparent glass look is really nice.

But there is where it ends thought.

When your about to do something, like for example searching for a wireless network, the userfriendly interface is TO userfriendly. They tried to hard to make things simple, for me it's only complicated. =/

Okey, of course I guess you can customize all those things like in XP, but the original feeling of working in Vista isn't something for me.

Anyway, I am curious to see the outcome,

I won't give up Vista just because I did'nt like the beta =)

 

Regards Himlaklar

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Well after playing around with Build 5270 Vista runs pretty slow on my 2.6P4, 512 RAM, FX5600 128mb card. Compared to 10.4.1(All that I have for now) I have to say Tiger is alot better. I mean sure the UI looks cool, but for me its very confusing especially all these virtual folders and stuff. I mean I think after a week or two of sold Vista only use it would be alright (With a finished product and a faster computer)

 

I really hope someone gets Vista on Mactel hardware.....

 

Well after playing around with Build 5270 Vista runs pretty slow on my 2.6P4, 512 RAM, FX5600 128mb card. Compared to 10.4.1(All that I have for now) I have to say Tiger is alot better. I mean sure the UI looks cool, but for me its very confusing especially all these virtual folders and stuff. I mean I think after a week or two of sold Vista only use it would be alright (With a finished product and a faster computer)

 

I really hope someone gets Vista on Mactel hardware.....

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Either way though we all know OS X will still own the {censored} out of it.

wow thats absurd you like Mac OS then cool, stick with it, you like MS Windows then again cool, stick with it.

as long as the os you use do what you need it to do thats whats important, i mean {censored} i have a imac here and i boot it from time to time but i barely have any use of it as my win pc does what i need it to do and i feel comfy on it doesnt mean you will and it doesnt some wont the importance is that it does it for you, vista will own OSX as much as OSX will own vista

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wow thats absurd you like Mac OS then cool, stick with it, you like MS Windows then again cool, stick with it.

as long as the os you use do what you need it to do thats whats important, i mean {censored} i have a imac here and i boot it from time to time but i barely have any use of it as my win pc does what i need it to do and i feel comfy on it doesnt mean you will and it doesnt some wont the importance is that it does it for you, vista will own OSX as much as OSX will own vista

lol osx will still pwn vista way more

Things osx had 5 years ago are just going to be in windows later this year :)

Whats so important that you need to use your dell, i mean, your pc more than your iMac? :blink:

Anyways, vista will still be sluggish, beta or not

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Callysto
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With an OS taking an hour to install you think you're in for something special then when it's done and just looks ugly 'til you tweak it then it's disappointing. I personally don't like Vista or Xp for that matter my favourite was 95 for the time it looked and felt new especially compared to 3.1 and was a great performer. Vista promises to be a big fat bloated release needing raw power to drive it if the beta is anything to go by.

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xtraa
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For me it is

 

pro vista

 

- some special pc apps are running, not available in osx

- aero glass (actually it is not that hip anymore but good idea, stefanka :D)

- maybe some games, too

- new menues (had to proof if they are really a pro)

 

cons

 

- big, and seems to need too much ressources and upgrades

- I am afraid of DRM, PUMA, TCPA and every lawyer-idea with more than two letters

 

conclusion for me

 

It is a must have but secondary operation system :D

 

Leopard will rule :)

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I think it's a pile.

 

They are trying waaayyyyy too hard to make it look different, to the point of making it less usuable than XP.

 

Not only that, it is seriously annoying. Getting the user to "approve" ever single freaking thing they do is not security, it is annoying ass {censored}. Of course this can all be tweaked I'm sure, but I got sick and just formatted the partition, it's now my porn repository. A much better use of space.

 

Write a good OS in the first place, and you won't need to worry about it being exploited out the wazoo.

 

I much prefer XP and of course OS X at the top of the food chain.

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kingtriumph
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I loaded Vista beta 2 on my system and was extremely underimpressed. It totally felt like XP with microsoft's new "glass" graphic upgrade. Their expose rip-off (can't recall their name for it at the moment) is almost completely useless, mostly because it displays the open windows in a diagonal "filing cabinet" type view which makes it hard to see what is active on the windows behind the first one displayed. Plus, I couldn't find a hot key for it, just a quick launch icon. Some people think it's just going to be XP SP3, others say it's going to be totally new and different. Either way, it's still going to be Microsoft poop, still going to be beta tested on the public with it's first release and still going to be years behind OSX. I'm still running a windows machine (I have no real Mac) because I'm poor, but I'll tell you right now, I am NEVER buying another Microsoft product again. Not even an Xbox. Microsoft is a bunch of hacks.

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boolean22
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The keyboard Shorcut for that view is Winkey+Tab. Although I do believe the impact that Win95 was will never repeat (not to forget MacOSX 1st appearence: Jaguar), I find the new approach a bit more accurate than lesser performers, say 98/2000/XP.

Vista manages to get thru the common UI glitches that XP has, being built on top of directX (any card supports glass, from Ati9200, FX5600 to the latest stuff on market). You know, inside Vista you have the option to enable GDI (read win2000 æsthetics, yikes!) but it results in a lesser performance compared to the Aero Steel and Glass options.

I'm also glad that they managed to get improved responsiveness on the UI behavior, real-time updating thumbnails, useful animations and all this without compromising the overall performance.

 

Still, neither Vista nor MacOS have something that you won't find in XP. Sad to say, but true. The goddamn OS, with 4 years old, is still the best performer in x86 (being an Adobe CS user this counts for macOSX86 too!) for use in a bussiness/gaming/u_name_it scenario. It can be tweaked till rot, and can be tuned to provide everything the Apple/Vista option provides.

 

Not to forget that when Rhapsody/Jaguar came out, most of the Mac community cried foul and said that Jobs was "Windowsizing" MacOS. I was there when all this happened at work. Taking away 9.22 was painfull for the majority of Mac users. Upgrades are traumatic. Me, I just thought that the brilliant thing is that Jobs took OpenSource FreeBSD and made it a mainstream product (commercial, paid, etc.) found some tweakers and made some arrangements (for example, made every software provider to code for it). That's admirable.

 

Got to admit that I'd looove to have a iMac at home, but can't complain since I work 9 hours/day with a dual G5@2.0ghz w/2gb RAM and two 17"Studio Displays (those were screeens, man!). When I get home, I still can perform some "freelancies" in the config that's on the signature. Not bad man, not bad at all!!

 

I looove PCs, both Mac and Windows have a really acceptable platform and each of them have a true bunch of errors on them (yes the Mac is a PC, believe it or not). But I do like getting hands dirty and finetuning hardware and software thereby I prefer AMD-based systems.

 

Said all of this, I'm still testing the Beta 5270 x86 and can say it runs like hell on wheels. Pretty fast damn {censored}!!

 

You'll be dissapointed with Vista if you're looking for a MacOS clone. Vista has little, if nothing to do with MacOSX. As I said: There're a LOT of Windows in it!! ;)

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kingtriumph
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Thanks for the tip about Winkey+Tab for windows expose... if I ever load Vista on again, I'll give it a shot. For me, I think I'm just a jaded Windows user. I was anti-mac for so long, but in the past two years I've really come to realize what an elegant and powerful operating system OSX is. At first I thought just being able to install OSX on my "beige box" would be enough, but after using Apple hardware, they've got me comverted. The overall design of Apple products is just far superior to anything running Windows. It's like going from a Hyundai to a Mercedes, once you drive the Mercedes you realize why people buy expensive cars and why your Hyundai is such a piece of poop.

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boolean22
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Go 4 it, then, man!

 

There's nothing worse than buying something you don't like, even if what you like is not better than what you bought, it's just not what you liked anyway!!

 

I'd go for a Voodoo Notebook for PCs and the new MacBook (the iBook sucessor) for Mac!

 

Go 4 it!!

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boolean22
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In this case, I was talking about the insides... in my country there are not "Clone Notebooks"so u rely on the brand to check manufacturing performance. The fact that there are three brands (HP, Compaq, Acer) made by the same notebook factory in taiwan helps you choosing :).

 

Other issues are components. Alienware, for eg. can cram a Desktop CPU inside a notebook (Opterons too!!) and I haven't seen anything like that elsewhere...

 

But what I was talking about is choice. I bought a ZEN Micro 5gb (the old one). For little more than the same cash I could've got an iPod. But know what? The iPod is {censored}... then I went with Creative. My co-workers keep telling me I should've got an iPod, but I'm into power more than into style.

That said, I picked Voodoo because the last time I saw, they were as fast as no one... and just to match the 'style+value' in comparison with a Mac.

 

Cheers!

 

Btw, I've been using Vista (since I'm Beta tester, remember?) The 5270 build (Dec CTP) x86 (32-bit) runs as a flaming demon on my config.

 

It still has some glitches, but from my point of view, it'll be something you'll wanna have in your AMD64 PC. The folder manager (Explorer) approach is layered in a way u still can use your commodities and shortcuts, yet they have added some improvements that are not a waste at all, that don't stuck in ur way when using the system.

 

U can customize it to show u the 'Lost Menu' that XP has... anyways, let's see what's ahead with Feb CTP.

 

I'll keep it updated as I receive replies.

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Munchieboy
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Alright for all u people who think vista is gonna be better off than OSX...lemme give u some news...ITS NOT...my cuz works for microsoft (engineeri) and hes already told me everything abt it....even tho its in beta release to us developers the engineers of M$ have pretty much finalized the product...the GUI is very smooth compared to XP no doubt but OSX is ten times better. The only thing they are still worried abt is the WinFX which again is not as good as spotlight...hence overall if u compare OSX to Vista OSX wins.....plus Vista will be like only by M$ fans. If there is an option go for OSX not Vista. Plus it wud be better if M$ to give out SP3 which has the features of Vista...

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If there was choice I'd take MacOS.

 

'u people'? 'u people'? I know a pair of guys that'd bit the {censored} out of you if they'd listened.

 

There's no choice, guys. Either you crack it or you buy it, but MacOS is not available for humans with my budget, since the actual line-up (CoreDuo) is just {censored} (Rossetta included, try running PS, AE, Maya on eth), can't be used to do my bussiness y'know. Going higher (QuadCore G5) would represent selling both kidneys. Also, core Duo it's NOT 64bit so even if there was a choice, the choice sucks...

 

I work with thousands of apps open (at work with a 2x2ghz G5, at home with an AMD64 3200+ @2.4GHz) and that requires zero emulation. With all the good apps releasing on 2007, who the hell wants a MacIntel nowadays?

 

Well, u made my day, Munchieboy, today buying a Mac is to go backwards. The power will come with the CoreQuad, Feb 2007.

 

Today, if pushed, I'd buy an iMac G5 w/iSight. But that won't happen. Period.

 

btw, there are some other projects down there that are twice as intuitive than both macOS and Vista... but they're not mainstream *yet*.

 

And better capable for graphics... check this videos and tell me wrong

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Every build of vista that has been leaked or released has had a different look to it, Looks dont matter you can always change the theme but as for usability it's integration with media player is pretty impressive, I rather like the way all of my music files have the album art as the icon :angry: There are many under the hood improvements including improvements to the gui that allows it to be 3d accelerated now isnt that neat? sounds a little familiar tho... haha

 

My overal opinion of vista is reserved until the final build however from what I see now it's just a more bulky version of xp even more likely to crash and have security issues however they're trying real hard and we may just see some improvements in overall usability...

 

Every build of vista that has been leaked or released has had a different look to it, Looks dont matter you can always change the theme but as for usability it's integration with media player is pretty impressive, I rather like the way all of my music files have the album art as the icon :) There are many under the hood improvements including improvements to the gui that allows it to be 3d accelerated now isnt that neat? sounds a little familiar tho... haha

 

My overal opinion of vista is reserved until the final build however from what I see now it's just a more bulky version of xp even more likely to crash and have security issues however they're trying real hard and we may just see some improvements in overall usability...

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I believe Vista will be the beginning of the most important period of evolution of the Windows GUI since 3.1-95 days. Vista's GUI will probably feature nice new conecepts, but my greatest expectations are for Codename Vienna, which will be much more mature than Vista. As for peformance and security, I expect to see little improvements over XP. Vista is a good start, but Vienna should be the culmination of everyone's expectations for a "Revolutionary Revision" of Microsoft Windows.

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