sportman Posted August 10, 2005 Share Posted August 10, 2005 1st off: *No one with less then SSE2 has any chance *SSE3 is preferred and will run rosetta the fastest. *SSE2 can run os x intel but with patches such as in coregraphics, there now are new patches that will allow rosetta to run. If you need to find information on if you proccesor contains sse2 or sse3 please download CPU-Z from HERE ---thanks sportman Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zhLilDoggi Posted August 13, 2005 Share Posted August 13, 2005 I read somewhere somebody has it running on a SSE cpu, so I'm going out to confirm that. *cough* slow torrents *cough* Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lanbo Posted August 14, 2005 Share Posted August 14, 2005 I read somewhere somebody has it running on a SSE cpu, so I'm going out to confirm that. *cough* slow torrents *cough* <{POST_SNAPBACK}> So? Did you read it well? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zhLilDoggi Posted August 14, 2005 Share Posted August 14, 2005 Yeah. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oxtobyd Posted August 14, 2005 Share Posted August 14, 2005 soooo, how do u get it 2 work on SSE only? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zhLilDoggi Posted August 14, 2005 Share Posted August 14, 2005 Not there yet, still downloading. <_> Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HeavyMetaler Posted August 14, 2005 Share Posted August 14, 2005 qemu Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oxtobyd Posted August 15, 2005 Share Posted August 15, 2005 qemu <{POST_SNAPBACK}> whats the performance like, since i assume you'd be running Windoze, the Qemu on top of that and then Darwin/OSX within qemu? since i know PearPC was brilliant, just toooo slow to enjoy. Ta Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pet1 Posted August 15, 2005 Share Posted August 15, 2005 Any progress with sse? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zhLilDoggi Posted August 15, 2005 Share Posted August 15, 2005 I hate torrents. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
morex Posted August 15, 2005 Share Posted August 15, 2005 So, I remember yearrrrrs ago, back in the days when x86's didn't have built-in math co-processors, there was (at least one) software-based math-coprocessor *emulator*, which loaded as a TSR under DOS. Sure, it was far slower than having a real 387 chip next to your 386, but it worked well enough to make apps which *required* a 387 think it was installed. Is something similar to this this even remotely feasable, under OSX, for SSE3 instructions on a non-SSE3 capable cpu? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oxtobyd Posted August 16, 2005 Share Posted August 16, 2005 So, I remember yearrrrrs ago, back in the days when x86's didn't have built-in math co-processors, there was (at least one) software-based math-coprocessor *emulator*, which loaded as a TSR under DOS. Sure, it was far slower than having a real 387 chip next to your 386, but it worked well enough to make apps which *required* a 387 think it was installed. Is something similar to this this even remotely feasable, under OSX, for SSE3 instructions on a non-SSE3 capable cpu? <{POST_SNAPBACK}> gemu seems to be the route for this, though i've not tried it yet, but by all accounts its as slow if not slower than running osx in pearpc. mind u next ver. of pearpc 0.4 is due soon and thats supposed to bring a load of new features and speed improvements. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oxtobyd Posted August 16, 2005 Share Posted August 16, 2005 Any progress with sse? <{POST_SNAPBACK}> i made some progress on this, but i can only get the Darwin core up and no GUI, since i'm guessing the GUI engine calls the SSE2 instructions, therefore without some major recompile work or emulation then no hope. i'm hunting for a cheap SSE3 CPU & Mobo. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pet1 Posted August 17, 2005 Share Posted August 17, 2005 Well, good to know that people are trying for sse. If it's just mathamatically not possible then what can we do? But it would be nice to have it running on sse. There's a LOT of athlon xp users out there. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zhLilDoggi Posted August 19, 2005 Share Posted August 19, 2005 Yep, the GUI DOES call for SSE2. Sorry SSE people, you've got QEMU (slow as hell) and PearPC (also slow as hell). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
elpresidente Posted August 22, 2005 Share Posted August 22, 2005 1st off: *No one with less then sse2 has any chance *SSE3 is perferred and will run rosetta the fastest. *SSE2 can run os x intel but with patches such as in coregraphics, there now are new patches that will allow rosetta to run. If you need to find information on if you proccesor contains sse2 or sse3 please download CPU-Z from HERE ---thanks sportman <{POST_SNAPBACK}> Is it possible to check for this within Linux? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
al_broccoli Posted August 22, 2005 Share Posted August 22, 2005 Is it possible to check for this within Linux? <{POST_SNAPBACK}> fatbastard:~ # grep flags /proc/cpuinfo flags : fpu vme de pse tsc msr pae mce cx8 apic sep mtrr pge mca cmov pat pse36 clflush dts acpi mmx fxsr sse sse2 ss ht tm pbe cid xtpr Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blackice Posted August 24, 2005 Share Posted August 24, 2005 Yep, the GUI DOES call for SSE2. Sorry SSE people, you've got QEMU (slow as hell) and PearPC (also slow as hell). <{POST_SNAPBACK}> ... and VMWare (faster, but still slow) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PapaSmurf Posted August 26, 2005 Share Posted August 26, 2005 arg my overclocked barton 2500 with 1gb of corsair and raid array has more than enough power if only apple wasnt so {censored} retarded in encoding something explicitley for sse2 it's an extension no program let alone operating system should DEPEND on it's presence. but then again apple never intended it to run on anything but new intel hardware which is sad and a leaves out amd. AMD has some great technology but it doesnt have the resources intel does to push out the new designs and research smaller manufacturing processes, I read intel has perfected it's .45 process if only amd had the funds to pursue that then they could really give intel a run for its' money. Not that apple is a big fish anymore it's not a lot of bussiness really for intel but anyways the point of the whole rant is this blows I love my barton and apple should have kept their options open by compiling this so that sse2 and 3 COULD be used if they were there but so that it would not DEPEND on them. What if they do decide to liscense this out to pc's they'll loose bussiness. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
joostpossemiers Posted August 27, 2005 Share Posted August 27, 2005 ... and VMWare (faster, but still slow) <{POST_SNAPBACK}> You can't use VMWare when you only have SSE, can you? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oxtobyd Posted August 28, 2005 Share Posted August 28, 2005 your only real hope is to skin XP into OSX, i've played with RKLauncher and FlyaKiteOSX, and u know there very very good products, yeah yeah not the same, but hey us SSE pawpers have to get what we can..... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zhLilDoggi Posted August 29, 2005 Share Posted August 29, 2005 OR use qemu! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
joostpossemiers Posted September 2, 2005 Share Posted September 2, 2005 Is anywone trying this with Bochs? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Prot Posted September 3, 2005 Share Posted September 3, 2005 SSE3 is an optional hardware feature on MacOS X for Intel and is not enabled by default on gcc-4.0. If SSE3 is turned on, the C preprocessor symbol __SSE3__ is defined. --Source: Apple Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nixcamic Posted September 6, 2005 Share Posted September 6, 2005 arg my overclocked barton 2500 with 1gb of corsair and raid array has more than enough power if only apple wasnt so magical trevor retarded in encoding something explicitley for sse2 it's an extension no program let alone operating system should DEPEND on it's presence. but then again apple never intended it to run on anything but new intel hardware which is sad and a leaves out amd. AMD has some great technology but it doesnt have the resources intel does to push out the new designs and research smaller manufacturing processes, I read intel has perfected it's .45 process if only amd had the funds to pursue that then they could really give intel a run for its' money. Not that apple is a big fish anymore it's not a lot of bussiness really for intel but anyways the point of the whole rant is this blows I love my barton and apple should have kept their options open by compiling this so that sse2 and 3 COULD be used if they were there but so that it would not DEPEND on them. What if they do decide to liscense this out to pc's they'll loose bussiness. <{POST_SNAPBACK}> So apple is redarded for making an os that you cant pirate? And theres no amd cpus with sse3? and apple somewhere has secret plans to use amd processors, without first changing their os to run on them? and apple really gives a rip if you can run a pirated version of their os on your barton, I think you should phone up apple support and complain. like common, their a hardware company (something that people need to be told over and over again) and buying other peoples hardware definantly doesnt help them. and just because sse3 is a extention doesnt be oses shouldnt be optimized for it, would you like everything to run in native 8086 mode, without any fpu extentions, incase i decide to install windows vista on my xt? next time think before ranting, apple doesnt plan on making a barton based powermac anytime in the near future, so why should they make an os that supports it? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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