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A few researchers from IBM are working on a new BIOS emulator for EFI based on the Boch's x86 emulator. This BIOS emulator is essentially an EFI application which serves to load and execute an emulated BIOS for older operating systems, including Windows, to use. OSNews notes, however, that this may present a few problems: complex partitioning and many updates for new Macintosh Computers. Amit Singh, a developer, elaborates on it's functionality:

"To EFI, our software looks like a regular EFI program which happens to be a bootloader. This bootloader contains a binary payload which is an entire BIOS, VGA BIOS, and other x86-specific glue needed to boot the machine. This binary payload is loaded into memory in the legacy BIOS space. To all software on the machine, it appears as if the machine has a traditional BIOS. An important aspect of BAMBIOS is that its goal is to be non-disruptive."

This could finally bridge the gap for legacy OSes, including Windows and Linux flavors.

Find more information at the BAMBIOS website.

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wewt. ibm pulls through!

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And they (Apple & Microsoft) said bootinmg Windows on an intel mac couldn't happen! :whistle:

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And they (Apple & Microsoft) said bootinmg Windows on an intel mac couldn't happen! :D


They also said that booting a Mac OS on PC hardware natively was too, but look where we are now :whistle:

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very interesting... if they get this working I'll be singing from the mountain tops with a brand new mac book pro!

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FINALLY something looks promising... I was beginning to doubt that I would ever have windows on my macbook.

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As another user here has already posted this:

The forum post: http://forum.onmac.n...thread.php?t=64
The photo proof: http://www.flickr.co...os/32436196@N00

Where does this leave this guy? Is this real? Has he made his own version of this translating boot loader? Is he using theirs? Have two people done the same thing? Who gets the $12k?

Who really minds as long as we can be buying Macs and running whatever OS's on there we want? (i'd be in OSX 90% of the time, but i need the other 10% too...)

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uh correct me if im wrong (which i have been before), but i think this is a different method. it seems to have no affliation with the BAMBIOS project and i seem to remember people talking somewhere about two methods are supposedly being evaluated by the started of the contest.

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<quote>
As another user here has already posted this:

The forum post: http://forum.onmac.n...thread.php?t=64
The photo proof: http://www.flickr.co...os/32436196@N00

Where does this leave this guy? Is this real? Has he made his own version of this translating boot loader? Is he using theirs? Have two people done the same thing? Who gets the $12k?
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um...we're those guys and for the record our effort has nothing to do with the osxbook guys (though they seems quite good). In fact as far as I know we posted the pictures of XP running on an iiMac before they even announced the BAMBIOS thing. Also they say they don't yet have XP running on BAMBIOS.

As for the contest it will hopefully soon be over :hysterical: .

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does anybody else think this could have been photoshoped?

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It's real, sadly the site that all about it is down. I was gonna volunteer my macbook pro. I wsa told by another member of the forums who it was demonstrated to (not this forum) that it does indeed work and it is the IBM based software bootloader.

Funny how IBM the PowerPC chip company comes back to make the only way to run windows on apple's new chips. the irony!

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does anybody else think this could have been photoshoped?


Or VMwared, or qemu, or VPC on a G5?

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um...we're those guys and for the record our effort has nothing to do with the osxbook guys (though they seems quite good). In fact as far as I know we posted the pictures of XP running on an iiMac before they even announced the BAMBIOS thing. Also they say they don't yet have XP running on BAMBIOS.

As for the contest it will hopefully soon be over :D .


Hi narf, nice to see you around the OSx86 guerilla fields :) and congratulations!

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Emulation? Last time I checked, Bochs was sloooooooooooow as hell! :)

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Keep the thread on topic - if you want to speculate wildly about narf's announcement use the original thread on it, not this one.

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Yay IBM, I knew they were clever enough to pull this off, just goes to show that when a large corporation puts it's mind to something, there's no stopping it. I guess they are a little pissed at losing it's chip monopoly with Apple. Makes sense to stab Mr Jobs with with pen they signed off with.... :) :D

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Well, one of the three guys who did this, Amit Singh, is the smart fellow who came out with those cool motion sensor apps for the OS X a year or two ago - check 'em out on his site. He (and his 2 colleagues) seem like they definitely have the chops to do this....

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um...we're those guys and for the record our effort has nothing to do with the osxbook guys (though they seems quite good). In fact as far as I know we posted the pictures of XP running on an iiMac before they even announced the BAMBIOS thing. Also they say they don't yet have XP running on BAMBIOS.

As for the contest it will hopefully soon be over :) .


And we'll be quick to post it once it's verified :) Drop us a line if it is :D

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Well why don't you have me test it for you ;-) I have two macbook pros and would nearly kill to test this out. I'd sign any contract regarding disclosure of your trade secret.

I'm qualified ;-) contact me on AIM:brainchild2b If you are interested. Good Luck!

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Guys, realize that the 2 gents who have developed BAMBIOS (and got Linux fully booted on the iMac) happen to be from IBM, but IBM is not backing this work. In other words, it is not IBM who has come back to potentially save the day, it's just these 2 guys. Remember that...





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